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[BleedingUranium]

liggy002 wrote...

I just head canon it and pretend that the EC slides are all in Shepard's head and he is imagining it.  Even if it's not true, it still makes more sense to me that way.

It was laser to breath scene before EC, and it still is after. And yes, this does mean we haven't beaten the Reapers yet.

[Han Shot First]

liggy002 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

That's the way I see it and it's the way that the story makes the most sense to me.  In my eyes, there's no way in hell that Shepard would survive an explosion like that on the Citadel.  He would be instantly vaporized.

It requires some suspension of disbelief, but it is far from being the most outlandish element of Mass Effect's story.

The Lazarus Project, the existence of Eezo, Mass Effect physics, and biotics are all more far-fetched than Shepard surviving the explosion.

[Jadebaby]

It's called a cliffhanger ending OP, maybe you should go and read some books or something.

[SpamBot2000]

Jadebaby wrote...

It's called a cliffhanger ending OP, maybe you should go and read some books or something.

A Pair of Blue Eyes by Thomas Hardy is apparently a good introduction to the concept.

"When the novel was serialised in Tinsley's Magazine between September 1872 and July 1873, Hardy chose to leave one of the main protagonists, Henry Knight, literally hanging off a cliff staring into the stony eyes of a trilobite embedded in the rock. This became the archetypal—and literal—cliff-hanger of Victorian prose. Once Hardy created it, all serial writers used the cliff-hanger even though Anthony Trollope felt that the use of suspense violated "all proper confidence between the author and his reader." Basically, the reader would expect "delightful horrors" only to feel betrayed with a much less exciting ending. Despite the rhetorical distaste all serial authors used the cliffhanger and Wilkie Collins is famous for saying about the technique: 'Make 'em cry, make 'em laugh, make 'em wait – exactly in that order.' "

Thanks, Wikipedia!

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 07 mars 2013 - 09:52 .

[Auld Wulf]

It was a final insult. Destroy's Shepard died a horrible death as the Citadel exploded, but his/her clone is happily alive and healthy, and ready to do misdeeds in Shepard's name. It's a happy ending for the clone, I guess, as s/he gets to sail away with the Normandy!

That's what the breath scene is about. Shepard is dead, but hey, the clone's alive!

[Jadebaby]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

It's called a cliffhanger ending OP, maybe you should go and read some books or something.

A Pair of Blue Eyes by Thomas Hardy is apparently a good introduction to the concept.

"When the novel was serialised in Tinsley's Magazine between September 1872 and July 1873, Hardy chose to leave one of the main protagonists, Henry Knight, literally hanging off a cliff staring into the stony eyes of a trilobite embedded in the rock. This became the archetypal—and literal—cliff-hanger of Victorian prose. Once Hardy created it, all serial writers used the cliff-hanger even though Anthony Trollope felt that the use of suspense violated "all proper confidence between the author and his reader." Basically, the reader would expect "delightful horrors" only to feel betrayed with a much less exciting ending. Despite the rhetorical distaste all serial authors used the cliffhanger and Wilkie Collins is famous for saying about the technique: 'Make 'em cry, make 'em laugh, make 'em wait – exactly in that order.' "

Thanks, Wikipedia!

Yep, how genius is it?

[M920CAIN]

Shepard never went to Priority Earth. He hid in Anderson's pad with the crew, and sent out some clone knock offs to do the work. Happy ending indeed .

[wright1978]

Jadebaby wrote...

It's called a cliffhanger ending OP, maybe you should go and read some books or something.

The kind of BS you pull when you plan to use the protaganist again in the next installment. Not what you should be using in his/her final installement and especially not when you promise to provide a free DLC with clarification and closure of the ending. Cheap ambiguity BS that they reserve just for live shep, that'll be going on Bioware's personal record as far as i'm concerned.

[jpraelster93]

Its london not the citidal

[Jadebaby]

wright1978 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

It's called a cliffhanger ending OP, maybe you should go and read some books or something.

The kind of BS you pull when you plan to use the protaganist again in the next installment. Not what you should be using in his/her final installement and especially not when you promise to provide a free DLC with clarification and closure of the ending. Cheap ambiguity BS that they reserve just for live shep, that'll be going on Bioware's personal record as far as i'm concerned.

In your opinion, I thought it was quite artistic.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

It was about Mass Effect 4

[Grand Wazoo]

New face of modern writing. Headcanon and twitter are your friends now.

[dorktainian]

mass effect 3 aint over till the multiplayer is over.

[liggy002]

"Purgatory" and "Afterlife", I had considered that Shepard was killed by Harbinger's beam, and that he was in some sort of purgatory in which the Reapers attempted to corrupt his consciousness and therefore his mind. My initial thought, even before I knew about the IT,  when waking up next to the Starchild was that Shepard was dead. How in the hell could he have survived that gun shot wound up until the breath scene?  Also, he was in space without a helmet..... how was that possible I thought to myself?

The breath scene I thought was his soul returning to his body. I had supposed that his soul would be trapped in sort of hell or purgatory as is the fate of those who are indoctrinated.

After life Color = Red (Destroy)

Purgatory Color = Blue (Control)  - Choose to control the Reapers and remain in purgatory

Green =  I'm not quite sure

Modifié par liggy002, 07 mars 2013 - 12:33 .

[Steelcan]

Auld Wulf wrote...

It was a final insult. Destroy's Shepard died a horrible death as the Citadel exploded, but his/her clone is happily alive and healthy, and ready to do misdeeds in Shepard's name. It's a happy ending for the clone, I guess, as s/he gets to sail away with the Normandy!

That's what the breath scene is about. Shepard is dead, but hey, the clone's alive!

. Someone is bitter.  Clone is dead, Shepard, not so much.

[Han Shot First]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Its london not the citidal

It is the Citadel. One of the Bioware devs even confirmed it.

Indoctrination Theory is head canon, not the actual official canon of the game.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 mars 2013 - 12:36 .

[Dubozz]

Grand Wazoo wrote...

New face of modern writing. Headcanon and twitter are your friends now.

[Mcfly616]

Dense......just.......so damn....dense.

[MattFini]

Even without the lead designer's quote, I am at a genuine loss as to how people don't understand that scene.

Shepard survives. That's it. Yes, it's a horrible cop-out ending.

But why else would they have put it there.

"hey guys, let's show Shepard die in the rubble after he exploded and everyone assumed he was dead!"

Doesn't make sense any other way.

The real question is asking BioWare WHY they let their beloved hero lay in the rubble. Great end to Shepard's story guys, thanks!

As I said in another thread, at least Synthesis and Control have closure for Shep.

Modifié par MattFini, 07 mars 2013 - 12:47 .

[SpamBot2000]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Dense......just.......so damn....dense.

Maybe you're just going through a phase.

[mumba]

It shows that with enough friendship, you can survive anything!

[wright1978]

MattFini wrote...

Even without the lead designer's quote, I am at a genuine loss as to how people don't understand that scene.

Shepard survives. That's it. Yes, it's a horrible cop-out ending.

But why else would they have put it there.

"hey guys, let's show Shepard die in the rubble after he exploded and everyone assumed he was dead!"

Doesn't make sense any other way.

The real question is asking BioWare WHY they let their beloved hero lay in the rubble. Great end to Shepard's story guys, thanks!

As I said in another thread, at least Synthesis and Control have closure for Shep.

QFT

[Sc2mashimaro]

 Easy.

Does Bruce Willis ever die in Die Hard? Does he stay dead?

Does Neo stay dead in the Matrix?

Can any super-badass hero ever be allowed to actually die?

Shepard doesn't die. Like some kind of insane badass he lives through the impossible and is ready to go whenever the studio decides to write a sequel.

Because is doesn't matter if no one should survive that, no one could survive that, when our hero is dead, he is never really dead. He can only be mostly dead or have a Disney death.

I'm pretty sure "Back in Black" is the song they normally play at the end of movies that end with a scene like the rubble/breath scene.

[Sc2mashimaro]

Jadebaby wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

It's called a cliffhanger ending OP, maybe you should go and read some books or something.

A Pair of Blue Eyes by Thomas Hardy is apparently a good introduction to the concept.

"When the novel was serialised in Tinsley's Magazine between September 1872 and July 1873, Hardy chose to leave one of the main protagonists, Henry Knight, literally hanging off a cliff staring into the stony eyes of a trilobite embedded in the rock. This became the archetypal—and literal—cliff-hanger of Victorian prose. Once Hardy created it, all serial writers used the cliff-hanger even though Anthony Trollope felt that the use of suspense violated "all proper confidence between the author and his reader." Basically, the reader would expect "delightful horrors" only to feel betrayed with a much less exciting ending. Despite the rhetorical distaste all serial authors used the cliffhanger and Wilkie Collins is famous for saying about the technique: 'Make 'em cry, make 'em laugh, make 'em wait – exactly in that order.' "

Thanks, Wikipedia!

Yep, how genius is it?

It's a common action-movie trope. The hero has to make the hard choice to do something that he/she knows will kill him/her, but somehow, by virtue of being bad-ass, he/she survives and gets a short cliff-hanger ending. It's actually almost the same as the Mass Effect 1 ending where they pulled the "Our Hero is Dead" bit and - though most people probably didn't buy it - gave us a little scare that Shepard was dead. This time, he was more dead, but still just almost dead.

[Jadebaby]

Yep, and because Mass Effect has always been an action-movie, it works.