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[AlanC9]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
It's a common action-movie trope. The hero has to make the hard choice to do something that he/she knows will kill him/her, but somehow, by virtue of being bad-ass, he/she survives and gets a short cliff-hanger ending. It's actually almost the same as the Mass Effect 1 ending where they pulled the "Our Hero is Dead" bit and - though most people probably didn't buy it - gave us a little scare that Shepard was dead. This time, he was more dead, but still just almost dead.

Yep. The thing about cliffhangers is that the guy never actually falls off the cliff.

I wonder why this is more confusing in games than in movies. Everyomg knew Indiana Jones would climb out of that refrigerator and be just fine.

[Dr_Extrem]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sc2mashimaro wrote...
It's a common action-movie trope. The hero has to make the hard choice to do something that he/she knows will kill him/her, but somehow, by virtue of being bad-ass, he/she survives and gets a short cliff-hanger ending. It's actually almost the same as the Mass Effect 1 ending where they pulled the "Our Hero is Dead" bit and - though most people probably didn't buy it - gave us a little scare that Shepard was dead. This time, he was more dead, but still just almost dead.

Yep. The thing about cliffhangers is that the guy never actually falls off the cliff.

I wonder why this is more confusing in games than in movies. Everyomg knew Indiana Jones would climb out of that refrigerator and be just fine.

it would not really be an indiana jones movie, if indy dies after the first 30 minutes.

[dsl08002]

One thing only

They never gave a real thought of what happend in the ending thinking that the fans would be happy regardless. big mistake

[AlanC9]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yep. The thing about cliffhangers is that the guy never actually falls off the cliff.

I wonder why this is more confusing in games than in movies. Everyomg knew Indiana Jones would climb out of that refrigerator and be just fine.

it would not really be an indiana jones movie, if indy dies after the first 30 minutes.

Put that scene at the end of the movie and everyone would still have known what it meant.

[Ticonderoga117]

AlanC9 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Yep. The thing about cliffhangers is that the guy never actually falls off the cliff.

I wonder why this is more confusing in games than in movies. Everyomg knew Indiana Jones would climb out of that refrigerator and be just fine.

it would not really be an indiana jones movie, if indy dies after the first 30 minutes.

Put that scene at the end of the movie and everyone would still have known what it meant.

That he just got nuked, will most likely die, and someone doesn't want to do another movie.

Also, considering what happens in the other endings (Shepard dies) then it's safe to assume that Shepard dies here. He just lasts a bit longer because, you know, not doing something stupid that will also vaporize him.

[JaegerBane]

MWMike2011 wrote...

 Okay, now that ME3 is over, the endings stand and nothing is going to be changed...what was the deal with that Breath Scene, BioWare?

Its basically the equivalent to the Alfred in Florence scene at the end of The Dark Knight Rises.

[JaegerBane]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Also, considering what happens in the other endings (Shepard dies) then it's safe to assume that Shepard dies here. He just lasts a bit longer because, you know, not doing something stupid that will also vaporize him.

You could just as easily argue that since the Destroy ending is the only one that doesn't actually require Shepard to die - getting caught in the explosion is a side-effect - that it's reasonable to assume he survived. What with the fact that he's breathing and all.

[Ticonderoga117]

JaegerBane wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

 Okay, now that ME3 is over, the endings stand and nothing is going to be changed...what was the deal with that Breath Scene, BioWare?

Its basically the equivalent to the Alfred in Florence scene at the end of The Dark Knight Rises.

Minus actually seeing Bruce. Instead, Alfred looks around, sees a familiar shape. And just before you see the face to confirm it's really Bruce... the credits roll!

[Kel Riever]

Shepard lived.

Fact.

Unless you don't know what breathing is. One of the writer's on the ME team apparently doesn't. So people who don't know science have a friend on the team!

[Ticonderoga117]

JaegerBane wrote...
You could just as easily argue that since the Destroy ending is the only one that doesn't actually require Shepard to die - getting caught in the explosion is a side-effect - that it's reasonable to assume he survived. What with the fact that he's breathing and all.

Yet we see not only him wanting to commit suicide by walking towards the thing that shoots fire each time he shoots at it, but that entire area goes BOOM! really good like after the Citadel fires. Add "Giant explosion" to the recent list of things he has endured and Shepard is paste. Add onto that the Citadel originally fell apart!

[Ticonderoga117]

Kel Riever wrote...

Shepard lived.

Fact.

Unless you don't know what breathing is. One of the writer's on the ME team apparently doesn't. So people who don't know science have a friend on the team!

Science? Science left the narrative friend and didn't look back when someone thought of Synthesis.

Also, giant explosion with Shepard at ground zero.

[eddieoctane]

Daiyus wrote...

Just a little "secret" ending. Like how if you save all the Mudokons in Abe's Oddysee you get a secret "perfect" ending that isn't considered canon, or how Johnson and the Elite hug at the end of Halo when you complete it on Legendary. Just a little something, nothing to it. And yes, if it allows you to headcanon whatever you like, that's OK too.

The "secret, meaningless ending" would be acceptable if BioWare didn't decide that Jack's date scene had to contain an exact description of the breath scene. That changed everything up yet again and only infuriated me more.

[JaegerBane]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...
You could just as easily argue that since the Destroy ending is the only one that doesn't actually require Shepard to die - getting caught in the explosion is a side-effect - that it's reasonable to assume he survived. What with the fact that he's breathing and all.

Yet we see not only him wanting to commit suicide by walking towards the thing that shoots fire each time he shoots at it, but that entire area goes BOOM! really good like after the Citadel fires. Add "Giant explosion" to the recent list of things he has endured and Shepard is paste. Add onto that the Citadel originally fell apart!

And yet he's still breathing. The point is that you're inferring he's dead on the basis that he got caught in an explosion, but ignoring the fact that he's still clearly intact to a degree and breathing.

As AlanC9 said, its essentially the same scene from ME1, only harsher.

[JaegerBane]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

MWMike2011 wrote...

 Okay, now that ME3 is over, the endings stand and nothing is going to be changed...what was the deal with that Breath Scene, BioWare?

Its basically the equivalent to the Alfred in Florence scene at the end of The Dark Knight Rises.

Minus actually seeing Bruce. Instead, Alfred looks around, sees a familiar shape. And just before you see the face to confirm it's really Bruce... the credits roll!

Are you suggesting the guy we see at the end could actually be just another random N7 that happened to have been on the Citadel at the time?

[Kel Riever]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Shepard lived.

Fact.

Unless you don't know what breathing is. One of the writer's on the ME team apparently doesn't. So people who don't know science have a friend on the team!

Science? Science left the narrative friend and didn't look back when someone thought of Synthesis.

Also, giant explosion with Shepard at ground zero.

Not only do I completely understand your point, I think I mentioned exactly this a few weeks ago.

And you are right.  We can all wonder if Shepard is breathing because despite science....SPACE MAGIC.

You didn't know you were on a fetch quest for the Gem of Power to charge the magic wand that the Citadel is when you purchased ME3, didjanow?

[Ticonderoga117]

JaegerBane wrote...
Are you suggesting the guy we see at the end could actually be just another random N7 that happened to have been on the Citadel at the time?

No. What I meant was there's no confirmation of living. Though it could be any random N7 person on Earth, especially since Shepard's dog tags don't actually look like that.

JaegerBane wrote...
And yet he's still breathing. The point is
that you're inferring he's dead on the basis that he got caught in an
explosion, but ignoring the fact that he's still clearly intact to a
degree and breathing.

As AlanC9 said, its essentially the same scene from ME1, only harsher.

One breath =/= breathing.

And he got hit by a Reaper weapon that melted his armor and blew off his helmet, got shot twice, had to have his freakin' heart restarted, he walked into an explosion and then was at ground zero for another explosion the size of the presidium ring of the Citadel!

[Ticonderoga117]

Kel Riever wrote...
Not only do I completely understand your point, I think I mentioned exactly this a few weeks ago.

And you are right.  We can all wonder if Shepard is breathing because despite science....SPACE MAGIC.

You didn't know you were on a fetch quest for the Gem of Power to charge the magic wand that the Citadel is when you purchased ME3, didjanow?

Nope. Seems someone changed the setting on me here.

[Jere85]

Shepards clone played priority: Earth... POMPOMPOMMMM!

[MegaSovereign]

It's Shepard surviving the Crucible blast.

[3DandBeyond]

Jere85 wrote...

Shepards clone played priority: Earth... POMPOMPOMMMM!

I actually knew this would not happen but hoped it would.  And then I remembered that still requires A Shepard do all that stuff and my gag reflex started working again.

[Jere85]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Shepards clone played priority: Earth... POMPOMPOMMMM!

I actually knew this would not happen but hoped it would.  And then I remembered that still requires A Shepard do all that stuff and my gag reflex started working again.

Where theres 1 clone, sure there are more, quite easy to headcanon Shepard using a clone to do his/her dirty work
-Edit: Would explain the out of character moments

Modifié par Jere85, 07 mars 2013 - 03:44 .

[AlanC9]

[quote]Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Put that scene at the end of the movie and everyone would still have known what it meant.[/quote]

That he just got nuked, will most likely die, and someone doesn't want to do another movie.

Also, considering what happens in the other endings (Shepard dies) then it's safe to assume that Shepard dies here. He just lasts a bit longer because, you know, not doing something stupid that will also vaporize him.

[/quote]

You know better than that. If he was going to get killed by the bomb they wouldn't show him trying a plan to live through it. The last thing a hero tries to do always succeeds.

[3DandBeyond]

Kel Riever wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Shepard lived.

Fact.

Unless you don't know what breathing is. One of the writer's on the ME team apparently doesn't. So people who don't know science have a friend on the team!

Science? Science left the narrative friend and didn't look back when someone thought of Synthesis.

Also, giant explosion with Shepard at ground zero.

Not only do I completely understand your point, I think I mentioned exactly this a few weeks ago.

And you are right.  We can all wonder if Shepard is breathing because despite science....SPACE MAGIC.

You didn't know you were on a fetch quest for the Gem of Power to charge the magic wand that the Citadel is when you purchased ME3, didjanow?

This made me laugh.

Makes all the Wizard of Oz discussions even more relevant-the search for a magical answer. 

Shepard did what Dorothy could not do-found a real wizard.  Dorothy found deception and a very flawed human being who was scared of being found out because he knew he was flawed.  Shepard finds little Mr. Godboy who is arrogant and wants to be understood.  Behind his curtain are giant squid/cuttlefish beings who are looking for magic.  Synthesis fulfills that need.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 07 mars 2013 - 03:45 .

[3DandBeyond]

Jere85 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Shepards clone played priority: Earth... POMPOMPOMMMM!

I actually knew this would not happen but hoped it would.  And then I remembered that still requires A Shepard do all that stuff and my gag reflex started working again.

Where theres 1 clone, sure there are more, quite easy to headcanon Shepard using a clone to do his/her dirty work
-Edit: Would explain the out of character moments

I figured that was why BW made the villain be a clone-all of the proclamations about the ending Shepard not being the real Shepard or not having a backbone.  There are a lot of other references to things, such as conventional victory and so on in the DLC that maybe poke fun at "anti-enders".  There's one at the end of Omega too in what Aria and Shepard can say about what happened, but Citadel has more.

[ConanTheLeader]

He lived, why?

Because he all of a sudden gasps for air, waking up from being unconscious following the blast at the citadel. Dead people do not gasp for air and while it might seem far fetched, he survived an explosion at the citadel in the first game and went on to do more adventures.