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[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Shepards clone played priority: Earth... POMPOMPOMMMM!

I actually knew this would not happen but hoped it would.  And then I remembered that still requires A Shepard do all that stuff and my gag reflex started working again.

Where theres 1 clone, sure there are more, quite easy to headcanon Shepard using a clone to do his/her dirty work
-Edit: Would explain the out of character moments

I figured that was why BW made the villain be a clone-all of the proclamations about the ending Shepard not being the real Shepard or not having a backbone.  There are a lot of other references to things, such as conventional victory and so on in the DLC that maybe poke fun at "anti-enders".  There's one at the end of Omega too in what Aria and Shepard can say about what happened, but Citadel has more.

The only ending reference I caught was about how Shepard's dancing would make the Reapers either "fall over, run away, or love us." 

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The only ending reference I caught was about how Shepard's dancing would make the Reapers either "fall over, run away, or love us." 

Jack inks Shepard so she can find him in a pile of rubble.

[Dr_Extrem]

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The only ending reference I caught was about how Shepard's dancing would make the Reapers either "fall over, run away, or love us." 

Jack inks Shepard so she can find him in a pile of rubble.

a shame that sheps armor is intact in that region of his body.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 07 mars 2013 - 03:55 .

[dreamgazer]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The only ending reference I caught was about how Shepard's dancing would make the Reapers either "fall over, run away, or love us." 

Jack inks Shepard so she can find him in a pile of rubble.

a shame that sheps armor is intact in that region of his body.

Those bright, shiny N7 tags should do the trick then.

[shepskisaac]

Shepard survived. Seriously, how hard is to pick up the most banal symbolism Bioware could use? If you still can't, just check what's the name of the file of this scene.

[Bfler]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

He lived, why?

Because he all of a sudden gasps for air, waking up from being unconscious following the blast at the citadel. Dead people do not gasp for air and while it might seem far fetched, he survived an explosion at the citadel in the first game and went on to do more adventures.

In the first game he isn't alone and heavily injured before the rubble falls on him. In ME3 the whole fleet escapes with FTL and I don't think the first thing after their return is to search for Shepard in the remains of the Citadel, what means, that he slowly dies.

And the common obvious scene to show if somebody is alive is the face with opening eyes, not a single breath.

Modifié par Bfler, 07 mars 2013 - 04:00 .

[Kel Riever]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Shepard lived.

Fact.

Unless you don't know what breathing is. One of the writer's on the ME team apparently doesn't. So people who don't know science have a friend on the team!

Science? Science left the narrative friend and didn't look back when someone thought of Synthesis.

Also, giant explosion with Shepard at ground zero.

Not only do I completely understand your point, I think I mentioned exactly this a few weeks ago.

And you are right.  We can all wonder if Shepard is breathing because despite science....SPACE MAGIC.

You didn't know you were on a fetch quest for the Gem of Power to charge the magic wand that the Citadel is when you purchased ME3, didjanow?

This made me laugh.

Makes all the Wizard of Oz discussions even more relevant-the search for a magical answer. 

Shepard did what Dorothy could not do-found a real wizard.  Dorothy found deception and a very flawed human being who was scared of being found out because he knew he was flawed.  Shepard finds little Mr. Godboy who is arrogant and wants to be understood.  Behind his curtain are giant squid/cuttlefish beings who are looking for magic.  Synthesis fulfills that need.

   Well thank you for the return laughs!  As an aside, I want to see the new Oz movie.  Sincerely, I hope there are no Cuttlefish....

[Iamjdr]

I don't get how the breath scene can be seen as anything but shep living. It is one of the last scenes shown and with the ec it shows your LI NOT put your name up on the memorial wall And seriously who's talking about shep trying to kill himself by walking into the tube explosion.... How would he know it would blow up like that ,I didn't see it coming. I mean really in me1 he got a peace of sovereign dropped on him and he lived so what's so hard to believe about him living in the destroy ending. Seems you have to work harder to think that he's dead in the destroy ending than it would be to just accept he made it....

[Ticonderoga117]

AlanC9 wrote...
You know better than that. If he was going to get killed by the bomb they wouldn't show him trying a plan to live through it. The last thing a hero tries to do always succeeds.

And Shepard never tried to survive. He tries to kill himself! "I'm going to walk towards this thing that's exploding while shooting my gun."

[Ticonderoga117]

IsaacShep wrote...

Shepard survived. Seriously, how hard is to pick up the most banal symbolism Bioware could use? If you still can't, just check what's the name of the file of this scene.

The sheer amount of evidence against it and file names are not "in game" material.

[Dr_Extrem]

Iamjdr wrote...

I don't get how the breath scene can be seen as anything but shep living. It is one of the last scenes shown and with the ec it shows your LI NOT put your name up on the memorial wall And seriously who's talking about shep trying to kill himself by walking into the tube explosion.... How would he know it would blow up like that ,I didn't see it coming. I mean really in me1 he got a peace of sovereign dropped on him and he lived so what's so hard to believe about him living in the destroy ending. Seems you have to work harder to think that he's dead in the destroy ending than it would be to just accept he made it....

the li-thing does not make any sense. (unless its liara)

the crew seems to have qed-connection to the rest of the fleet or somebody in sol. this person can confirm, that anderson is dead (nameplate). if they dont find shepards body/dogtags, he/she is MIA ... missing soldiers dont get a nameplate at all - they are only missing.

that means, that they either have a confirmation, that shepard is dead or that they presume that shepard is dead (what does not make sense, because this would make shep MIA and missing soldiers dont get nameplates on memorials for kdead people).



it is clear, what bioware tried to show - but the way they did it, was just bad.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 07 mars 2013 - 04:14 .

[3DandBeyond]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

He lived, why?

Because he all of a sudden gasps for air, waking up from being unconscious following the blast at the citadel. Dead people do not gasp for air and while it might seem far fetched, he survived an explosion at the citadel in the first game and went on to do more adventures.

I do agree he lived but it makes far less sense than what we've seen before.

Well, sure the gasp scene is to indicate Shepard lives (along with the memorial wall scene), but it just goes against all that we're shown.  Shepard is wearing clothes that afford minimal protection and takes a big explosion at point blank range.  That part of the citadel with the crucible mating ritual is seen as exploding as in making a big boom with lots of fire IN SPACE.  Sooo, naturally a human with lots of synthetic parts but still with organic parts as well (that were regrown) could survive that.  Considering that this all happens (Shepard must stand real close to be able to shoot that hard to see tube) right after Shepard was able to shoot two people (unless TIM kills himself) from even further distances (and lead to them dying with one shot) really seems plausible.  It is what it is-it was meant to show Shepard lived, but it never had to make sense.

[Iakus]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

He lived, why?

Because he all of a sudden gasps for air, waking up from being unconscious following the blast at the citadel. Dead people do not gasp for air and while it might seem far fetched, he survived an explosion at the citadel in the first game and went on to do more adventures.

Dead people don't gasp.

But dying people do.
In the first game we get to see Shepard standing, climbing, walking (well, limping) and most of all smiling as Anderson, the squadmates, and an Alliance rescue team look on in amazement.  In ME3 we see Shepard prone, alone, injured, and yes, gasping.  After performing a terrible act upon the galaxy in order to "save" it.

But hey, he got to throw one heck of a party before doing it, amirite?

[shepskisaac]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Shepard survived. Seriously, how hard is to pick up the most banal symbolism Bioware could use? If you still can't, just check what's the name of the file of this scene.

The sheer amount of evidence against it and file names are not "in game" material.

What sheer amount of evidence lol? Shepard breathes = lives and that's how the game ends. Also, advice. DLC production is over, you may stop pretending you believe it's a death scene because Bioware won't do another DLC and "omg Bioware he died, you HAVE to give us new ending now to show he lives thehehe" won't work.

[MassPredator]

Han Shot First wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Its london not the citidal

It is the Citadel. One of the Bioware devs even confirmed it.

Indoctrination Theory is head canon, not the actual official canon of the game.

If they confirm IT theory that would turn ME3 ending in the best ending ever made. I need a confirmation.

[Iamjdr]

Really? just because he's more injured then his last miraculous escape from death it's not possible he lived... All the superhuman stuff shep does and the things shep survives but since this time it doesnt show whim alk out the rubble with the same cheesy smile from the end of me1 he couldn't have made it

[MassPredator]

He is alive, no reason to that scene if he is not.....

[Ticonderoga117]

IsaacShep wrote...
What sheer amount of evidence lol? Shepard breathes = lives and that's how the game ends. Also, advice. DLC production is over, you may stop pretending you believe it's a death scene because Bioware won't do another DLC and "omg Bioware he died, you HAVE to give us new ending now to show he lives thehehe" won't work.

Shot at by a Reaper and had his armor blown/melted off. Shot twice. Had his heart restarted. Walked into an explosion and was at ground zero for an explosion that engulfed the area "inside" the Presidium ring. Even Wrex would have severe issues living after ALL of that.

He's deader than a doornail despite a singular breath and the LI being reluctant to put up a plaque. Hell, Shepard's dog tags don't even look like that.

[Ticonderoga117]

MassPredator wrote...

He is alive, no reason to that scene if he is not.....

There's no reason for that scene if he is. If he did live, they would've showed it. Like, not being in rubble.

[hiraeth]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Shepard survived. Seriously, how hard is to pick up the most banal symbolism Bioware could use? If you still can't, just check what's the name of the file of this scene.

The sheer amount of evidence against it and file names are not "in game" material.

What sheer amount of evidence lol? Shepard breathes = lives and that's how the game ends. Also, advice. DLC production is over, you may stop pretending you believe it's a death scene because Bioware won't do another DLC and "omg Bioware he died, you HAVE to give us new ending now to show he lives thehehe" won't work.

One thing that bugs me is the "it can be a first or last gasp" line that's been thrown around by BW staff. Even though most of us would probably agree that context clues point toward Shepard surviving, it's the nonsensical stubborness to give us nothing more than a breath that's irritating. I can't imagine if Shep lives or dies in the other endings, there is really no good argument that he/she survives in Syn/Contr/Ref. But in the one ending where there's a chance that he/she lives, there's a refusal on the team's part to show us irrefutable in-game content. And the biggest piece of evidence that we get--the breath scene--isn't even really all that clear. Like people are pointing out, everything that we see prior to that scene points toward Shepard being dead, so that scene is really problematic for several reasons (for me, it was the first time I thought, "Wait, was that all a dream?"). It opens a whole host of questions--important, trilogy-altering questions-just seconds before the credits roll. And for what? This is the end of Shepard's story, right? BW is closing the book on Shepard after ME3, so why not do a proper end to his/her story? What's the point of a cliffhanger (especially a somewhat vague one) if there's no intention of a follow-up or further explanation?

[draconian139]

Shepard did not survive and the game is better that way. Dying is a punishment for making the wrong choice in the decision chamber. The entire series has pounded the idea of synthesis into Shepard, but you guys have to go on a power trip and doom the whole galaxy with destroy. Any Shepard that does that has it coming to rot in a pile of rubble.

[hiraeth]

draconian139 wrote...

Shepard did not survive and the game is better that way. Dying is a punishment for making the wrong choice in the decision chamber. The entire series has pounded the idea of synthesis into Shepard, but you guys have to go on a power trip and doom the whole galaxy with destroy. Any Shepard that does that has it coming to rot in a pile of rubble.

I don't even....wow...not touching this one.

[Ticonderoga117]

MassEffectFShep wrote...
One thing that bugs me is the "it can be a first or last gasp" line that's been thrown around by BW staff. Even though most of us would probably agree that context clues point toward Shepard surviving, it's the nonsensical stubborness to give us nothing more than a breath that's irritating. I can't imagine if Shep lives or dies in the other endings, there is really no good argument that he/she survives in Syn/Contr/Ref. But in the one ending where there's a chance that he/she lives, there's a refusal on the team's part to show us irrefutable in-game content. And the biggest piece of evidence that we get--the breath scene--isn't even really all that clear. Like people are pointing out, everything that we see prior to that scene points toward Shepard being dead, so that scene is really problematic for several reasons (for me, it was the first time I thought, "Wait, was that all a dream?"). It opens a whole host of questions--important, trilogy-altering questions-just seconds before the credits roll. And for what? This is the end of Shepard's story, right? BW is closing the book on Shepard after ME3, so why not do a proper end to his/her story? What's the point of a cliffhanger (especially a somewhat vague one) if there's no intention of a follow-up or further explanation?

All of this, but especially the bolded part.

draconian139 wrote...

Shepard did not survive and the game
is better that way. Dying is a punishment for making the wrong choice
in the decision chamber. The entire series has pounded the idea of
synthesis into Shepard, but you guys have to go on a power trip and doom
the whole galaxy with destroy. Any Shepard that does that has it coming
to rot in a pile of rubble.

Say hello to "Refuge in audacity". Ranks right up there with "Normandy crashed in a test flight".

[shepskisaac]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Shot at by a Reaper and had his armor blown/melted off

Stop right here. If you're going for realism and had a shot that melts the armor, get it, shot so strong it melts metal, he should be dead right there. No if and buts. No IT because dead brain can't support "hallucinations". You do realize this is space opera? And an action hero?