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[xRoni7x]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst chamber (or whatever it's called, don't remember) blows up. Shepard gets buried with rubble from the explosion. What happens afterwards is up to you.

Judging from the memorial scene and the fact that Shepard inhales right before the credits roll, I choose to believe that he gets picked up by the crew not too long after, makes a slow but good recovery and lives happily ever after.

And that is the problem. They shouldnt give us speculations but proper endings. Mass Effect is a multiple ending game which means that if you did everything good you should see an ending like that. That is what should happen and not give us imaginative closure. This is where they screwed up with the endings.

[Ticonderoga117]

IsaacShep wrote...
Stop right here. If you're going for realism and had a shot that melts the armor, get it, shot so strong it melts metal, he should be dead right there. No if and buts. No IT because dead brain can't support "hallucinations". You do realize this is space opera? And an action hero?

Yeah, that's the thing. He should be dead right there. But ok, we'll play up the "action movie guy" thing some. Then he gets shot, twice. Defiantly should be dead after all of that, but amp it up a bit more. Walk into an explosion? Nope, still not stupid enough! Survives a giant explosion? That's stupid enough!

You see the problem here right? Especially since Shepard did not need to go through any of that.

[draconian139]

xRoni7x wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Catalyst chamber (or whatever it's called, don't remember) blows up. Shepard gets buried with rubble from the explosion. What happens afterwards is up to you.

Judging from the memorial scene and the fact that Shepard inhales right before the credits roll, I choose to believe that he gets picked up by the crew not too long after, makes a slow but good recovery and lives happily ever after.

And that is the problem. They shouldnt give us speculations but proper endings. Mass Effect is a multiple ending game which means that if you did everything good you should see an ending like that. That is what should happen and not give us imaginative closure. This is where they screwed up with the endings.

The endings are not screwed up. The masses are pleased with them, and they are just fine, Bioware has said this themselves.

[Clayless]

He's dead.

[draconian139]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Stop right here. If you're going for realism and had a shot that melts the armor, get it, shot so strong it melts metal, he should be dead right there. No if and buts. No IT because dead brain can't support "hallucinations". You do realize this is space opera? And an action hero?

Yeah, that's the thing. He should be dead right there. But ok, we'll play up the "action movie guy" thing some. Then he gets shot, twice. Defiantly should be dead after all of that, but amp it up a bit more. Walk into an explosion? Nope, still not stupid enough! Survives a giant explosion? That's stupid enough!

You see the problem here right? Especially since Shepard did not need to go through any of that.

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

[d-boy15]

I don't understand you guys...

DS3 got the same ending as destroy ending but worst because the only thing you get is
a voice calling for someone after credits. What funny is DS fans came to conclusion that
protagonist still alive rather than thinking he's dead.

[shepskisaac]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yeah, that's the thing. He should be dead right there. But ok, we'll play up the "action movie guy" thing some.

Exactly. Just keep playing because this is space opera, with unrealistic explosion, including the end Citadel explosion (tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace). And again, I really don't buy that anyone doesn't get that this is Bioware's intended "Shep lives" ending that requires highest EMS. All just seems to me like an attempt to get new ending. Well that won't happen anymore.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Their original intent is to show us that Shepard did indeed survive the blast, and it's up to us what happens next. But then they sort of went full stupid and said "THAT COULD OF HAVE BEEN HIS LAST BREATH TROLOLOLOL."

So ya, I'm going with their original intent on this one.

[Ticonderoga117]

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

[Ticonderoga117]

IsaacShep wrote...
Exactly. Just keep playing because this is space opera, with unrealistic explosion, including the end Citadel explosion (tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace). And again, I really don't buy that anyone doesn't get that this is Bioware's intended "Shep lives" ending that requires highest EMS. All just seems to me like an attempt to get new ending. Well that won't happen anymore.

But they played it up too much, especially when they did the "This is a very serious game. LOOK AT THIS KID! Shepard feels bad! BAD! Look at the Asari, feel BAD!"

This is not an attempt at a new ending, that ship sailed when they buggered things with the EC.

Shepard is dead and gone.

[jkflipflopDAO]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

. . . except it wasn't because the ending slides clearly say that those things happen.

[draconian139]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

[Ticonderoga117]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Shepard never left Earth. From Harbinger's beam until the breath scene was a mind battle with Harbinger for Shepard's soul.

. . . except it wasn't because the ending slides clearly say that those things happen.

They also don't say that Shepard lives.

[Dr_Extrem]

its not the fact that shepard could be dead or alive (i personally think its the latter) ... its the poor presentation that keeps bugging me.

do it right or dont do it at all. i mean .. control and synthesis players have to suck it, that shep is dead. destroy players should have to accept, that shep survives - even if they dont want him/her to.

control and synthesis players are shown accomplished facts - why not destroy players?

[hiraeth]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yeah, that's the thing. He should be dead right there. But ok, we'll play up the "action movie guy" thing some.

Exactly. Just keep playing because this is space opera, with unrealistic explosion, including the end Citadel explosion (tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace). And again, I really don't buy that anyone doesn't get that this is Bioware's intended "Shep lives" ending that requires highest EMS. All just seems to me like an attempt to get new ending. Well that won't happen anymore.

It's funny you mention wanting a new ending--if you look back on the past year, the requests/complaints about the ending have evolved for some people, or at least for me. At first, I wanted a new ending. I wanted StarChild completely retconned and I wanted to never have to hear about those three choices again. Over time, and after the EC, I sort of accepted that BW wasn't going to give up those endings, so then I started wanting clarification for the ending that I did choose--destroy. I wanted explanation for the breath scene, and ideally, a full reunion showing what happens to Shepard after the war. After the Citadel DLC, it's clear that we're not getting that (I wasn't expecting Citadel to have ending-relevant material in it, but there's always hope since it was a reunion-style, character-focused DLC). At this point, the only thing I want is *something*...even if just a single line of dialogue...to serve as irrefutable in-game evidence that Shepard lives. When I look back on the trilogy, it makes no sense to do that the protagonist at the end of the story. Even the Citadel DLC is so Shepard-focused...clearly this protagonist is important, and is the driving-force for the entire story. Why a cliffhanger at the end, and then why have staff make it even more ambiguous? What's so bad about showing us that in one of the endings, Shepard undeniably, irrefutably lives?

[shepskisaac]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Shepard is dead and gone.

No matter how many times you repeat it he is shown alive in the last scene. Fact.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 07 mars 2013 - 04:49 .

[Ticonderoga117]

draconian139 wrote...
That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

Hold the phone right there. Arrogance is a belief first of all.

Second, if you want to play that: Believing you have the right, the RIGHT, to force everyone to become Husks 2.0, instead of telling this moron that he's wrong? That's arrogance.

[hiraeth]

draconian139 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

www.youtube.com/watch

I didn't commit any galaxyy-wide sins and I'm not trusting a reaper who is trying to talk me in circles until I fall for his agenda.

[Ticonderoga117]

IsaacShep wrote...
No matter how many times you repeat it he is shown alive in the last scene. Fact.

And who said he keeps living? Darth Vader took a few breaths before dieing. Lot's of dramatic deaths involve taking a few breaths before dieing. They can also be gasps.

Dead and gone, and he went out like a punk too. Walking into an explosion while using a GUN.

Pffft.

[draconian139]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

Hold the phone right there. Arrogance is a belief first of all.

Second, if you want to play that: Believing you have the right, the RIGHT, to force everyone to become Husks 2.0, instead of telling this moron that he's wrong? That's arrogance.

It's not a right it's a duty. You don't comprehend synthesis and that's fine, but you have no right to make fun of The Intelligence. If I ever see you flaming him on this forum again you will be reported.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Shepard is dead and gone.

No matter how many times you repeat it he is shown alive in the last scene. Fact.

Who the hell wakes up from consciousness just to take one last gasp of air before they die anyways? If they wanted to let us know that shepard was dead in that scene, shepard would have taken one last long exhale of air.

[shepskisaac]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

What's so bad about showing us that in one of the endings, Shepard undeniably, irrefutably lives?

Nothing, just as there's nothing wrong with going to super banal symbolic scene of survival. In both cases the intention and end result is exactly the same.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

And who said he keeps living? Darth Vader took a few breaths before dieing. Lot's of dramatic deaths involve taking a few breaths before dieing. They can also be gasps.

Dead and gone, and he went out like a punk too. Walking into an explosion while using a GUN.

Pffft.

We go by what's shown in-game, just as you argued. Your "but it could be just last gasp" is speculation. In game he is shown alive at the end. Fact.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 07 mars 2013 - 04:57 .

[Dr_Extrem]

draconian139 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

sorry ... the most intelligent being in the galaxy in in full retard mode in this game. it fails to find the crucible plans (every single cycle), is not smart enough to grab the citadel (where it lives) and use it to shut down the network ... i could go on.

calling this thing intelligent is bold.


btw: birdsallsa .. is that you?

[Lisa_H]

Shepard lives, simple as that. If it was a dying breath why would they only show that scene if you have really high EMS? Why have that scene at all? And in the EC the LI refuses to put Shepard's name on the memorial if you have high EMS.

[Jassu1979]

It was an easter egg.
Basically, they wanted to hint that Shepard was still alive in that ending without actually committing to that position.