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[Ticonderoga117]

draconian139 wrote...
It's not a right it's a duty. You don't comprehend synthesis and that's fine, but you have no right to make fun of The Intelligence. If I ever see you flaming him on this forum again you will be reported.

*ahem*

He is the greatest waste of electrons this side of Andromeda and I wouldn't trust him to add up 2+2 correctly. He makes Watson look like freaking Spock with his attempted use at logic and I'm sure if Mr. Spock was within earshot of him during that moronic episode that we around here call "the ending", I'm sure Mr. Spock would fly into a rage and beat the ever loving hell out of the kid's processors.

[draconian139]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

sorry ... the most intelligent being in the galaxy in in full retard mode in this game. it fails to find the crucible plans (every single cycle), is not smart enough to grab the citadel (where it lives) and use it to shut down the network ... i could go on.

calling this thing intelligent is bold.


btw: birdsallsa .. is that you?

I am merely a humble spokesperson for Team BirdsallSa. If you want to speak to the legend himself, you'll have to pm him. I was given this task when he saw my raw posting talent and he's been tutoring me, showing me how to take my posts to the next level. I think it's working! So stay tuned for upcoming content such as
Team BirdsallSa's Solution to the Ending Dilemna: Forum Segregation - A Bold Proposition
which could be released as early as today!

By the way Dr. Extrem have you seen our review of Mass Effect 3 Citadel?
http://social.biowar...16154227-1.html

[eddieoctane]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...


One breath =/= breathing.

And he got hit by a Reaper weapon that melted his armor and blew off his helmet, got shot twice, had to have his freakin' heart restarted, he walked into an explosion and then was at ground zero for another explosion the size of the presidium ring of the Citadel!

Except that the one breath in question is characteristic of a heart getting back in rhythm and an individual regaining consciousness. Having worked in an emergency room. I can attest to that. The sharp, sudden inhale is not what people do do just before their hearts giving out. Shep survived.

Granted, BioWare could just not have a clue about what a dying breath looks like. But it wouldn't have been hard to ask one of the doctors, considering they're literally right down the freaking hall. Any half-way competent former doctor could have provided invaluable consultation on that scene. So either the devs really, really did a terrible job or Shep is very much alive. If you believe BioWare isn't a bunch of fools, the hero ain't dead.

[shepskisaac]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Secondly, I believed that the inention was that Shepard lived at first, until I heard staff members saying that it can be whatever you want it to be./

They started saying it at the same time as "IT is true if you think so". If you asked them "Is Shepard transformed into a Hanar prostitute at the end?" now, they would give you the same "yes if you believe so" answer. They simply stopped answering any ending questions and said that EC is their statement. Doesn't change what was tehir obvious intention. Heck, they even added "LI doesn't put nameplate on Memorial Wall" scene as exclusive to breathe scene lol.

[Dr_Extrem]

draconian139 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

sorry ... the most intelligent being in the galaxy in in full retard mode in this game. it fails to find the crucible plans (every single cycle), is not smart enough to grab the citadel (where it lives) and use it to shut down the network ... i could go on.

calling this thing intelligent is bold.


btw: birdsallsa .. is that you?

I am merely a humble spokesperson for Team BirdsallSa. If you want to speak to the legend himself, you'll have to pm him. I was given this task when he saw my raw posting talent and he's been tutoring me, showing me how to take my posts to the next level. I think it's working! So stay tuned for upcoming content such as
Team BirdsallSa's Solution to the Ending Dilemna: Forum Segregation - A Bold Proposition
which could be released as early as today!

By the way Dr. Extrem have you seen our review of Mass Effect 3 Citadel?
http://social.biowar...16154227-1.html

i'll pass .. i had to suffer enough during this week.

[draconian139]

IsaacShep wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Secondly, I believed that the inention was that Shepard lived at first, until I heard staff members saying that it can be whatever you want it to be./

They started saying it at the same time as "IT is true if you think so". If you asked them "Is Shepard transformed into a Hanar prostitute at the end?" now, they would give you the same "yes if you believe so" answer. They simply stopped answering any ending questions and said that EC is their statement. Doesn't change what was tehir obvious intention. Heck, they even added "LI doesn't put nameplate on Memorial Wall" scene as exclusive to breathe scene lol.

LI would have no knowledge of Shepard being alive or not. Why make the name plate to begin with if the LI didn't think Shepard was dead? Shepard's dead.

[Ticonderoga117]

IsaacShep wrote...
We go by what's shown in-game, just as you argued. Your "but it could be just last gasp" is speculation. In game he is shown alive at the end. Fact.

Before the EC? Sure, but now we have Hackett giving the epilogue and no mention is made that Shepard, this man/woman who saved the Galaxy from the race of giant space squids using not much more than the force of thier own personality is not mentioned ONCE.

And actually, what's shown in game IS ambigious. Is that actually Shepard? He's not the only N7. How badly is he injured? Given in game evidence, he's pretty banged up. How far away is help? Well he's on the Citadel, the place that was under Reaper control for awhile, and no one knows where he is. Will he live? Signs point to no, but sure, he could. And the game, after the EC, refuses to say either way.

[Applepie_Svk]

Lisa_H wrote...

Shepard lives, simple as that. If it was a dying breath why would they only show that scene if you have really high EMS? Why have that scene at all? And in the EC the LI refuses to put Shepard's name on the memorial if you have high EMS.

How would I say that ... 
Shepard has a burns at large part of his/her body, he is lying under the pile of rubbles probably without any kind of tech on part of Citadel which none ever visited - mentioned by Catalyst, then also how he/she could possibily survived when probably all the Citadel systems were destroyed or damaged ergo if you weren´t hidden somewhere in the bunker you would probably die due to lack of oxygen and minus temperatures, vacuum. 

...just tell me how ?

From what we´ve seen in the last 15 seconds of rubble easter egg is not even clear where the Shepard is as much is clear that whatever he/she is lying is lying under the beton basements with rebars, and that´s far away from the metallic structure of Citadel.

[draconian139]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

sorry ... the most intelligent being in the galaxy in in full retard mode in this game. it fails to find the crucible plans (every single cycle), is not smart enough to grab the citadel (where it lives) and use it to shut down the network ... i could go on.

calling this thing intelligent is bold.


btw: birdsallsa .. is that you?

I am merely a humble spokesperson for Team BirdsallSa. If you want to speak to the legend himself, you'll have to pm him. I was given this task when he saw my raw posting talent and he's been tutoring me, showing me how to take my posts to the next level. I think it's working! So stay tuned for upcoming content such as
Team BirdsallSa's Solution to the Ending Dilemna: Forum Segregation - A Bold Proposition
which could be released as early as today!

By the way Dr. Extrem have you seen our review of Mass Effect 3 Citadel?
http://social.biowar...16154227-1.html

i'll pass .. i had to suffer enough during this week.

Suit yourself, but we at Team BirdsallSa hq believe it's the best content we've ever released!

[Dr_Extrem]

draconian139 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

None of that is stupid. First of all, Shepard was implanted with tech from project Lazarus. That alone gives him the edge. But this next thing is what makes Shepard special. Team BirdsallSa prides itself on the power of belief. Through belief, anything can be accomplished. Shepard has that, and that's why he's able to defeat adversity and make it to the decision chamber. You can send a Reaper capital ship, reaper troops and even a reaper tech implanted Illusive Man, but you can't defeat the power of belief.

Except when it doesn't co-incide with the crap endings and then you die because "To hell with what you think".

See Refuse.

That's not the power of belief though, that's arrogance. The most intelligent being the galaxy, literally named - The Intelligence is offering you a chance to atone for your sins and choose a new future for the galaxy. Synthesis was foreshadowed from the beginning as the only path forward, and then all of a sudden you're going to stop playing by the rules? The people who refuse think they're better than the Intelligence. He has been around for eons protecting the galaxy. He could have refused to do anything at all too, but did he? He instead brought the Leviathans together to form Harbinger, the first true Reaper. By enlisting the aid of Reapers he created the cycle and how many lives has he preserved? How many species has he saved? If people think they can then get away with refusing his generosity and still survive, they have a warped perception of the power of belief.

sorry ... the most intelligent being in the galaxy in in full retard mode in this game. it fails to find the crucible plans (every single cycle), is not smart enough to grab the citadel (where it lives) and use it to shut down the network ... i could go on.

calling this thing intelligent is bold.


btw: birdsallsa .. is that you?

I am merely a humble spokesperson for Team BirdsallSa. If you want to speak to the legend himself, you'll have to pm him. I was given this task when he saw my raw posting talent and he's been tutoring me, showing me how to take my posts to the next level. I think it's working! So stay tuned for upcoming content such as
Team BirdsallSa's Solution to the Ending Dilemna: Forum Segregation - A Bold Proposition
which could be released as early as today!

By the way Dr. Extrem have you seen our review of Mass Effect 3 Citadel?
http://social.biowar...16154227-1.html

i'll pass .. i had to suffer enough during this week.

Suit yourself, but we at Team BirdsallSa hq believe it's the best content we've ever released!

its not the topic .. .its the autor ... btw .. you should at least join birdsallsas group ..

[Ticonderoga117]

eddieoctane wrote...
Except that the one breath in question is characteristic of a heart getting back in rhythm and an individual regaining consciousness. Having worked in an emergency room. I can attest to that. The sharp, sudden inhale is not what people do do just before their hearts giving out. Shep survived.

Granted, BioWare could just not have a clue about what a dying breath looks like. But it wouldn't have been hard to ask one of the doctors, considering they're literally right down the freaking hall. Any half-way competent former doctor could have provided invaluable consultation on that scene. So either the devs really, really did a terrible job or Shep is very much alive. If you believe BioWare isn't a bunch of fools, the hero ain't dead.

Well, let's see:
Common narrative structure is shot to hell.
The guys who work on computers forgot "Copy and paste" (See Legion's death)
They forgot what they worked on before hand (The Catalyst)
DNA does not work like that! (Synthesis)

Yeah...

[CronoDragoon]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
We go by what's shown in-game, just as you argued. Your "but it could be just last gasp" is speculation. In game he is shown alive at the end. Fact.

Before the EC? Sure, but now we have Hackett giving the epilogue and no mention is made that Shepard, this man/woman who saved the Galaxy from the race of giant space squids using not much more than the force of thier own personality is not mentioned ONCE.

Because to do so would render the breath scene pointless, since it's supposed to be an "Aha!" surprise moment. There's no point in mentioning Shepard is alive in the epilogue and then have the breath scene. Not mentioning Shep in the epilogue is supposed to lead you to believe he's dead.

[draconian139]

@Dr Extrem
It's not a group or a banner or a badge that makes someone a member of Team BirdsallSa, it's the belief in justice, honor and a better future for the bsn.

[corporal doody]

SHEP LIVES!

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
We go by what's shown in-game, just as you argued. Your "but it could be just last gasp" is speculation. In game he is shown alive at the end. Fact.

Before the EC? Sure, but now we have Hackett giving the epilogue and no mention is made that Shepard, this man/woman who saved the Galaxy from the race of giant space squids using not much more than the force of thier own personality is not mentioned ONCE.

Because to do so would render the breath scene pointless, since it's supposed to be an "Aha!" surprise moment. There's no point in mentioning Shepard is alive in the epilogue and then have the breath scene. Not mentioning Shep in the epilogue is supposed to lead you to believe he's dead.

In the Pre EC version the surprise aha moment makes a certain sense, With an expanded EC with an epilogue covering the entirety of the rebuilding and yet tagging the breath scene on the end like a piece of garbage they couldn't be arsed dealing with is atrocious and renders the epilogue comical for its refusal to take account of this variable.

[shepskisaac]

draconian139 wrote...

LI would have no knowledge of Shepard being alive or not. Why make the name plate to begin with if the LI didn't think Shepard was dead? Shepard's dead.

So if the LI thought Shep was dead it then it clearly had to recieve new information if it suddenly stops from putting the nameplate on the wall. Hey, I'm just using your own argument.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

And the game, after the EC, refuses to say either way.

And yet you proclaimed likt 10 times already that he's "dead and gone".

Modifié par IsaacShep, 07 mars 2013 - 05:16 .

[draconian139]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Secondly, I believed that the inention was that Shepard lived at first, until I heard staff members saying that it can be whatever you want it to be./

They started saying it at the same time as "IT is true if you think so". If you asked them "Is Shepard transformed into a Hanar prostitute at the end?" now, they would give you the same "yes if you believe so" answer. They simply stopped answering any ending questions and said that EC is their statement. Doesn't change what was tehir obvious intention. Heck, they even added "LI doesn't put nameplate on Memorial Wall" scene as exclusive to breathe scene lol.

I don't consider that scene to be "irrefutable evidence." The LI not putting Shepard's nameplate on the Memorial wall is another ambiguous scene that raises more quesions than it answers. How do they know not to put the name up? I sure would have after seeing that explosion. The Normandy bolted as soon as they could, do they think a single person not in a ship was going to survive that? Also, I can imagine a dev saying, "That scene can be whatever you want it to be. Maybe there was a smudge on the nameplate and they wanted to clean it up before putting it on the wall"

I'm not saying that there aren't context clues, I'm saying that it's the only ending that is not giving us definitive closure on Shepard's fate-and that, in a sense, that's not fair. Not only is Shepard's fate *really* important to the narrative, but the ending is the last chance we have to see how Shepard's story ends (according to the "no more Shepard" claim that BW has been throwing around).

The destroyers are ones to talk about fairness. Was it fair to murder the geth and edi in cold blood? Was it fair to doom the galaxy to a new cycle that will wipe out organics for good? Where's the honor in that? Where's the justice? Shepard dying is payback for the many innocents that were caught in the crossfire of your grudge matches with the Reapers.

[draconian139]

IsaacShep wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

LI would have no knowledge of Shepard being alive or not. Why make the name plate to begin with if the LI didn't think Shepard was dead? Shepard's dead.

So if the LI thought Shep was dead it then it clearly had to recieve new information if it suddenly stops from putting the nameplate on the wall. Hey, I'm just using your own argument.

You're not using my own argument at all. We can clearly see the LI doesn't receive new information. What you're saying doesn't even make any sense.

[shepskisaac]

draconian139 wrote...

You're not using my own argument at all. We can clearly see the LI doesn't receive new information. What you're saying doesn't even make any sense.

LI can have an earpiece with EDI whispering "eeek! Just heard from Hackett! He's alive !  ". What? Can't prove it doesn't happen.

And now seriously, how can anyone not recognize the old Hollywood banal "camera shows someone knowing deep in heart that his/her lover or family member is actually alive" cliche? This is what Bioware used here.

[Peranor]

Jassu1979 wrote...

It was an easter egg.
Basically, they wanted to hint that Shepard was still alive in that ending without actually committing to that position.

I think you mean a Cop Out. Not an easter egg.

[Fnork]

Ever since this video (@47:40) my answer to that particular question is: nothing. A little teaser added in pre ec destroy because it was a little too bleak without it. Seriously, watch the video. The guy at 47:40 pops the million dollar question. It was never about much of anything, other than perhaps what you yourself make of it.

[Iakus]

anorling wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

It was an easter egg.
Basically, they wanted to hint that Shepard was still alive in that ending without actually committing to that position.

I think you mean a Cop Out. Not an easter egg.

I think they prefer the term "speculation"

[AlanC9]

wright1978 wrote...


In the Pre EC version the surprise aha moment makes a certain sense, With an expanded EC with an epilogue covering the entirety of the rebuilding and yet tagging the breath scene on the end like a piece of garbage they couldn't be arsed dealing with is atrocious and renders the epilogue comical for its refusal to take account of this variable.

Someone here --MDoggy, IIRC -- said that it's the fault of the ITers. Bio left in the breath scene as it was in the EC because expanding it would have disproved IT. (There are also a handful of fans who prefer that Shep dies, but I don't think there are enough of them to matter)

[eddieoctane]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...
Except that the one breath in question is characteristic of a heart getting back in rhythm and an individual regaining consciousness. Having worked in an emergency room. I can attest to that. The sharp, sudden inhale is not what people do do just before their hearts giving out. Shep survived.

Granted, BioWare could just not have a clue about what a dying breath looks like. But it wouldn't have been hard to ask one of the doctors, considering they're literally right down the freaking hall. Any half-way competent former doctor could have provided invaluable consultation on that scene. So either the devs really, really did a terrible job or Shep is very much alive. If you believe BioWare isn't a bunch of fools, the hero ain't dead.

Well, let's see:
Common narrative structure is shot to hell.
The guys who work on computers forgot "Copy and paste" (See Legion's death)
They forgot what they worked on before hand (The Catalyst)
DNA does not work like that! (Synthesis)

Yeah...

Fair enough. There's just this sudden upsurge of "BioWare's fixed everythign and are great again" people that I felt pointing out a critical implication of that was necessary.

[humes spork]

The rubble scene is a cunning plan by BioWare to get people with no sense for symbolism or implication to reveal their inability to use a forum search function. Don't, it's a trap!