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[Horacio Zhao]

the one with Kaidan is sweet and good written, but in the end it feels like it lacks something

[Edolix]

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

Miss fleet admiral had fairly good content, and the singing was a nice touch. Still, I couldn't help but feel there was a certain glaring omission. I think we're all familiar with this issue by now.

Yes, this. I'm very satisfied with most of the content, but...yeah.

[Shad Croly]

Thus far, Liara and Tali have really cute scenes.

When I make a final, cannon play through, making sure I really do get everything, it's gonna be hard deciding who I'm gonna pick as my love interest.

[LieutenantSarcasm]

Shad Croly wrote...

Thus far, Liara and Tali have really cute scenes.

When I make a final, cannon play through, making sure I really do get everything, it's gonna be hard deciding who I'm gonna pick as my love interest.

Although I love my LI to death, having the woman who got the evidence to incriminate saren and benezia and setting the entire plot in motion rewarded with a crude mock-up as the only visual just seems... cheap.

[Battlebloodmage]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Really? Kaidan's scene reminded me of a newly wed couple. The cooking scene is just adorable.

It would be perfect if it wasn't FemShep's voice and her broken neck. Gosh, even asking Kaidan to just snuggle on that couch sounded weird. She turned this playful chat into one of those cringe-worthy fanfics involving kitchen equipment.

Well, we didn't got to dance or whatever fancy stuff, but we at least got steaks. We got to try being two normal people in the middle of the war.

What do you mean by broken neck? I didn't notice any awkwardness, maybe it feels difference since I play as maleShep. It would have been too dull to go to another dinner date since we already got one at the cafe. This gives people a glimpse into Kaidan and Shepard's personal life and how they like to spend their time. It fits Kaidan's character that he would like to stand more alone time with Shepard than going out. He doesn't seem like an outdoor guy.

[Jassu1979]

Shepard: "We should do this more often."
Liara: "Yes. Well... Maybe after..."
Shepard: "Every day after!"

And then Shepard dies.
Does anybody else see the problem here, from a mere storytelling perspective?

Ever since ME2, the Shepard/Liara romance essentially revolves around Liara's fear of allowing her strong feelings for Shepard to return, because she's already gone through all the stages of grief after the first Normandy was destroyed and does not want to lose her lover a second time.

Yet throughout these two games, Shepard urges her on, always promising that things will work out, that there will be a future for them, and that all of Liara's misgivings are ill-founded.
Along with many, MANY other cues throughout ME3 that point towards a significantly more upbeat, heroic ending, this romance in particular invalidates the universal bitterness and tristesse offered by ALL the endings. (I don't consider the "waking up in rubble"-easter egg to truly count for much.)
If you want your tale to culminate in the inevitable death of your protagonist, do NOT include options that pretty much suggest something else entirely. The problem here is not that most of Shepard's paths culminate in a tragic ending - it's that ALL of them do; even those that clearly are not written as a tragedy.

[LieutenantSarcasm]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Shepard: "We should do this more often."
Liara: "Yes. Well... Maybe after..."
Shepard: "Every day after!"

And then Shepard dies.
Does anybody else see the problem here, from a mere storytelling perspective?

Ever since ME2, the Shepard/Liara romance essentially revolves around Liara's fear of allowing her strong feelings for Shepard to return, because she's already gone through all the stages of grief after the first Normandy was destroyed and does not want to lose her lover a second time.

Yet throughout these two games, Shepard urges her on, always promising that things will work out, that there will be a future for them, and that all of Liara's misgivings are ill-founded.
Along with many, MANY other cues throughout ME3 that point towards a significantly more upbeat, heroic ending, this romance in particular invalidates the universal bitterness and tristesse offered by ALL the endings. (I don't consider the "waking up in rubble"-easter egg to truly count for much.)
If you want your tale to culminate in the inevitable death of your protagonist, do NOT include options that pretty much suggest something else entirely. The problem here is not that most of Shepard's paths culminate in a tragic ending - it's that ALL of them do; even those that clearly are not written as a tragedy.

This is the issue with all of the new LI content in the DLC. All of them make poignant remarks for the future of them as a couple, and then "No, shepard, you are the reapers."

[Battlebloodmage]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Shepard: "We should do this more often."
Liara: "Yes. Well... Maybe after..."
Shepard: "Every day after!"

And then Shepard dies.
Does anybody else see the problem here, from a mere storytelling perspective?

Ever since ME2, the Shepard/Liara romance essentially revolves around Liara's fear of allowing her strong feelings for Shepard to return, because she's already gone through all the stages of grief after the first Normandy was destroyed and does not want to lose her lover a second time.

Yet throughout these two games, Shepard urges her on, always promising that things will work out, that there will be a future for them, and that all of Liara's misgivings are ill-founded.
Along with many, MANY other cues throughout ME3 that point towards a significantly more upbeat, heroic ending, this romance in particular invalidates the universal bitterness and tristesse offered by ALL the endings. (I don't consider the "waking up in rubble"-easter egg to truly count for much.)
If you want your tale to culminate in the inevitable death of your protagonist, do NOT include options that pretty much suggest something else entirely. The problem here is not that most of Shepard's paths culminate in a tragic ending - it's that ALL of them do; even those that clearly are not written as a tragedy.

I agree that the ending is a failure, but I'm over it now. Since many people want their Shepard to live, would it kill them to show Shepard ends up in the hospital instead of the rubbles? 

[Jassu1979]

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...
This is the issue with all of the new LI content in the DLC. All of them make poignant remarks for the future of them as a couple, and then "No, shepard, you are the reapers."

Of course. But I think that the pre-ME2 romances drive this point home the most poignantly, because Shepard's partners in those scenarios have a hard time re-kindling their relationship after experiencing such intense loss before. Romances that started in ME2 or later lacked this particular trauma, as they began at a time when Shepard had already returned from the dead.

[LieutenantSarcasm]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Of course. But I think that the pre-ME2 romances drive this point home the most poignantly, because Shepard's partners in those scenarios have a hard time re-kindling their relationship after experiencing such intense loss before. Romances that started in ME2 or later lacked this particular trauma, as they began at a time when Shepard had already returned from the dead.

"After the announcement of the death of Commander Shepard, ANN can confirm spectre Ashley Williams personally stole a M-920 cain, and had used it to destroy the london conduit. More news as it breaks."

(As an aside, I wonder if Tali and Garrus count as pre-ME2 LI's.)

[AkodoRyu]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
What do you mean by broken neck? I didn't notice any awkwardness, maybe it feels difference since I play as maleShep. It would have been too dull to go to another dinner date since we already got one at the cafe. This gives people a glimpse into Kaidan and Shepard's personal life and how they like to spend their time. It fits Kaidan's character that he would like to stand more alone time with Shepard than going out. He doesn't seem like an outdoor guy.

Pluses of playing MShep is that Mark has more neutral voice, that fits into more situations, especially if you put some role playing into your game. Well, I definitely don't play my Shep being sultry, and in ME1 she never used that tone. It started in ME2 with Jacob and Garrus.

As for rest of your post, that's why I picked him, he feels close to home, apparently it's my thing ^^

And the broken neck... This isn't the worst frame, I dumped it and left the acceptable one, but the scene shows giraffe FShep neck in its all glory. Kills all the charm. Not mentioning hands in that particular outfit (tested few, all awful).

[keegdarv1]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Of course. But I think that the pre-ME2 romances drive this point home the most poignantly, because Shepard's partners in those scenarios have a hard time re-kindling their relationship after experiencing such intense loss before. Romances that started in ME2 or later lacked this particular trauma, as they began at a time when Shepard had already returned from the dead.

and yet i find the me2 romance better

garrus and tali disprove that as they were there too

and while miranda wasnt there she puts you back together and sees the after math and while its a job at the time if go the romance way, look at the end she wants to make you promise not to die so i think she gets it

thane is already dieing so that kind of trauma already apart of it

though i will agree not so much with jacob and jack

[Trav-O]

On a positive note, I will say it was most impressive so many were addressed. I'm looking at you Samara and that dog Jacob.
Jacks and Garrus' were pretty good to me. Others had things to like, but little things bugged me about Jacob and Liara (All the handholding scenes in all games combined with Liara, and I think maybe once she's taken the freaking gloves off. Its shore leave girl, you just had a dress on at the casino).

[kalasaurus]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
What do you mean by broken neck? I didn't notice any awkwardness, maybe it feels difference since I play as maleShep. It would have been too dull to go to another dinner date since we already got one at the cafe. This gives people a glimpse into Kaidan and Shepard's personal life and how they like to spend their time. It fits Kaidan's character that he would like to stand more alone time with Shepard than going out. He doesn't seem like an outdoor guy.

Pluses of playing MShep is that Mark has more neutral voice, that fits into more situations, especially if you put some role playing into your game. Well, I definitely don't play my Shep being sultry, and in ME1 she never used that tone. It started in ME2 with Jacob and Garrus.

Yeah, I enjoyed the Kaidan romance right until FemShep used that voice.  It really was like she was talking to Jacob again.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 08 mars 2013 - 10:12 .

[Pinkflu]

I thought Liara's was too short, but it was nice at least. I love that Samara was acknowledged, and finally became a (potentially) legit LI.

[Battlebloodmage]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
What do you mean by broken neck? I didn't notice any awkwardness, maybe it feels difference since I play as maleShep. It would have been too dull to go to another dinner date since we already got one at the cafe. This gives people a glimpse into Kaidan and Shepard's personal life and how they like to spend their time. It fits Kaidan's character that he would like to stand more alone time with Shepard than going out. He doesn't seem like an outdoor guy.

Pluses of playing MShep is that Mark has more neutral voice, that fits into more situations, especially if you put some role playing into your game. Well, I definitely don't play my Shep being sultry, and in ME1 she never used that tone. It started in ME2 with Jacob and Garrus.

As for rest of your post, that's why I picked him, he feels close to home, apparently it's my thing ^^

And the broken neck... This isn't the worst frame, I dumped it and left the acceptable one, but the scene shows giraffe FShep neck in its all glory. Kills all the charm. Not mentioning hands in that particular outfit (tested few, all awful).

It looks like maleShep's hands. After watching femShep romance, the angles, the model's position, and the hands make it seems like they did maleShep first and then repaste the code for femShep.  

I guess that's a downside to having a great VA like Jennifer Hale, at least, the scene itself is good.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 08 mars 2013 - 10:15 .

[AkodoRyu]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
It looks like maleShep's hands.

If I was to go technical (because I actually find dismantling the game more enjoyable than actually playing it...), tangent space maps (those that give us illusion of surface shape) are so tiny, that in the game they come out blurred and just... ugly.

Battlebloodmage wrote...
After watching femShep romance, the angles, the model's position, and the hands make it seems like they did maleShep first and then repaste the code for femShep. 

Yeah, female models are slightly shorter, I'm guessing that adjusting animations is a pain in the butt, but Fshep's tango was beautifully orchestrated, so proper adjustments for shorter and less complicated scene like with her and Kaidan would've been even easier, right? For now this scene (and few others) gives me the feeling of halfassed, though I know it's not intentional.

[KiwiQuiche]

Garbear was handled well, especially the weird banter and how they don't really seem to know what they're doing haha

Not Tali and that godawful singing though, poor girl.

[Jassu1979]

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...
(As an aside, I wonder if Tali and Garrus count as pre-ME2 LI's.)

I don't think so. Having a crewmate (and potential friend/secret crush) die just does not have the same impact as grieving over the death of a loved one. Sure it might hurt, but it's a different degree of loss and intimacy, of opening up and then hurting because of it.

[iamthedave3]

Jassu1979 wrote...

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...
This is the issue with all of the new LI content in the DLC. All of them make poignant remarks for the future of them as a couple, and then "No, shepard, you are the reapers."

Of course. But I think that the pre-ME2 romances drive this point home the most poignantly, because Shepard's partners in those scenarios have a hard time re-kindling their relationship after experiencing such intense loss before. Romances that started in ME2 or later lacked this particular trauma, as they began at a time when Shepard had already returned from the dead.

BITTERSWEETNESS11123245

Best way to do Citadel (IMO), is to finish the game, pick your ending and then go back to your prior save and do Citadel. Flawless? no, but it's the best way to wipe away those bitter tastes.

[eternalshiva]

I was pretty satisfied with the Kaidan romance, I half hoped though you could have your LI hangning out in the apartment though, like in ME2 where they're sitting on your couch in the cabin, but it's a minor thing. Everything else was excellent. Going through my Jack one soon.

[Battlebloodmage]

Liedral wrote...

I was pretty satisfied with the Kaidan romance, I half hoped though you could have your LI hangning out in the apartment though, like in ME2 where they're sitting on your couch in the cabin, but it's a minor thing. Everything else was excellent. Going through my Jack one soon.

You can do that with Liara. 

[Zoo Keeper Zeke]

Finished the dlc as a Jack LI and she does indeed shine in both her Armax meetup and private visit. Went for quiet/quiet/cards and it ended with a pleasant wakeup.

Later redid the Tali LI party the same and saw some new LI-specific stuff like"Mmm, Shepard, you know I'm ticklish..." and a less hungover waking scene.

I'd say that Tali and Jack LI players should be enthused about this dlc.

Modifié par Zoo Keeper Zeke, 08 mars 2013 - 01:25 .

[AkodoRyu]

Liedral wrote...

I was pretty satisfied with the Kaidan romance, I half hoped though you could have your LI hangning out in the apartment though, like in ME2 where they're sitting on your couch in the cabin, but it's a minor thing. Everything else was excellent. Going through my Jack one soon.

I had this funny bug, if that counts

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 08 mars 2013 - 01:26 .

[Skullheart]

The DLC was 90% fanservice. But I enjoyed the Miranda content.

She just looks too damn happy.


Shepard has a big reason to stay alive.