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[CptData]

Hmm, I dunno. Not sure if I should call myself an "Ash-expert", but in some way I got her character quite well.

In very short words?

Ashley is the tough one. Tough outside and soft inside, but if you can't get through the shell, you won't see that softer Ash. Think her original writer, Chris L'Etoile, did a damn good job to display this woman. If you can't get through her first layer, the tough, brutally honest outside, you can't find much potential to hook up with Ashley.
So it's up to you to give her a chance or to give up on her. Your decision (and must say, it's one of the few decisions in ME with a -real- impact!) matters.

Thing is: in ME3 Ashley is totally different from the one in ME1. Lack of content, I guess. A lot of her traits and quirks don't get touched at all. That means there's not much to hook up with her. Either BW assumes only her old fans know who she is and make her extra hard to understand, or her new writer didn't care that much of her like Chris. Maybe it's both.
As one of her fans I say, an in ME1 romanced Ash should feel different. She had her deal of distrust for most parts of the game and I must say, right after the Coup, Ash shouldn't doubt Shepard's goals anymore. It's just a tad too much, you know?

The inner "secret" side of Ash is what I'm missing most in ME3. That's the soft, loving one - the one you see right before the attack on the Cronos station. I mean, she really doesn't drop many hints in that field throughout the game (thanks to lack of content).
Think that's why Ashley is much more flirty and "soft" in my dialogues since I believe that's who she really is if not acting tough-as-nails-die-hard-Williams.

[BioWareM0d13]

Jasons073 wrote...

Liara is all about PDA and Tali is all about dirty talk.  Ashley plays hard to get.

Ashley does both of those things with Vega.

If she isn't an LI she can end up having a casual fling with Vega (loud party), and she is both aggressive and all about PDA.

[M4N0FF4I7H]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jasons073 wrote...

Liara is all about PDA and Tali is all about dirty talk.  Ashley plays hard to get.

Ashley does both of those things with Vega.

If she isn't an LI she can end up having a casual fling with Vega (loud party), and she is both aggressive and all about PDA.

I guess in the end, it was a dlc which completely helped change her personality then.

[CptData]

Well, at least an unromanced Ash gets Vega. It was obvious he had a thing for her ... don't mess with the Commanders girl, Vega.

[Dragoonlordz]

CptData wrote...

Well, at least an unromanced Ash gets Vega. It was obvious he had a thing for her ... don't mess with the Commanders girl, Vega.

Messing with Jokers love interest EDI was funny during citadel at the party dance scene.

As for Ashley's scenes in citadel, no they wern't bad. You have many scenes through trilogy between her and your character, quite good ones in the core ME3 game too, the ones in citadel were to me merely icing on the cake. I felt I had enough scenes through games and DLC with her to be very content with her as LI.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 07 mars 2013 - 11:23 .

[BioWareM0d13]

BornFree87 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jasons073 wrote...

Liara is all about PDA and Tali is all about dirty talk.  Ashley plays hard to get.

Ashley does both of those things with Vega.

If she isn't an LI she can end up having a casual fling with Vega (loud party), and she is both aggressive and all about PDA.

I guess in the end, it was a dlc which completely helped change her personality then.

I wouldn't say it was a retcon of her personality. After all in Mass Effect the only glimpse you get of Ashley's love life is if Shepard romances her. Almost nothing about her dating history prior to Shepard is known. Just because Ashley can be involved in a serious relationship with Shepard and took things more slowly, doesn't mean that she always goes that route. I don't think you can draw many conclusions just based on one relationship.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 mars 2013 - 11:27 .

[M4N0FF4I7H]

CptData wrote...

Well, at least an unromanced Ash gets Vega. It was obvious he had a thing for her ... don't mess with the Commanders girl, Vega.

I don't think a casual one night flight counts as a relationship but if you meant sex then yes atleast before the war ended she got laid.

[Brhino]

Jasons073 wrote...

Liara is all about PDA and Tali is all about dirty talk.  Ashley plays hard to get.

Thing is, that's the opposite of how things were in ME1.  Back then, Liara was an inexperienced girl (aged 100+ years notwithstanding) awkwardly in awe of the commander.  Tali behaves much the same way in ME2.  But Ash was different.  She's... aggressive.  She flirts with the commander as early as the very first trip to the citadel.  "If you expect me to get into a tinfoil miniskirt and some thigh-high boots, I want dinner first. Sir."  And then she threatens to have Shepard removed from command if he orders her to kiss him.

I feel like Ash is the only female who was actually confident about initially entering into a relationship with Shepard.  Liara and Tali are awestruck fangirls, Miranda's extremely conflicted, and Jack is a wreck.  That's not to say those aren't good romances, they're just different.  Ash has her hangups, but pursueing a relationship with Shepard isn't one of them.

That aspect of her personality disappears in ME3.  She's much more subdued, which I guess isn't unreasonable given the death and destruction happening all around her, but still.  I'm not sure why anyone would romance her in ME3 unless they still remember how she was in ME1.  I feel like that personality comes back in a few places on the citadel DLC, so I'm thankful for that at least.

[Belisarius25]

Ashley's definitely not a "plays hard to get" in ME3, really, it's just she's more or less sidelined for half the game and then is subdued once she gets back.

In the DLC she's actually a lot more like what I expected her to be like in ME3 - she's got the fun/flirty stuff like the casino/bar scene and her more emotional/vulnerable side like waking up with her/final scene.

[CptData]

Han Shot First wrote...

I wouldn't say it was a retcon of her personality. After all in Mass Effect the only glimpse you get of Ashley's love life is if Shepard romances her. Almost nothing about her dating history prior to Shepard is known. Just because Ashley can be involved in a serious relationship with Shepard and took things more slowly, doesn't mean that she always goes that route. I don't think you can draw many conclusions just based on one relationship.

That.

Well, in ME1, Ash hints she's not inexperienced when it comes to sexual encounters, or does she act like a shy girl that finally gets something real to do? Nope. She knows what's going to happen in Shepard's cabin. And she's looking forward to it. Even if you turn her down (renegade answer in the romantic climax scene) she's implying to give it herself

In short words: Ashley is not the shy scout girl.
But she's also not the cheap girl that does it with everyone. So from what I got of her character, I'd say she's more than ready for a flirt with guys she finds interesting, but only very few come that far for a "home base". And Shepard? Well, it's all in the games.

My headcanon makes her -really- hard to get, but once you got her, she's totally yours. Until you screw up, obviously.
Also Shepard's death broke something in her ... something that never can be fixed again, even after Shepard's return or the end of that Reaper war. Currently figuring out that "something". But it changes Ashley's character.

Modifié par CptData, 07 mars 2013 - 11:36 .

[M4N0FF4I7H]

Han Shot First wrote...

I wouldn't say it was a retcon of her personality. After all in Mass Effect the only glimpse you get of Ashley's love life is if Shepard romances her. Almost nothing about her dating history prior to Shepard is known. Just because Ashley can be involved in a serious relationship with Shepard and took things more slowly, doesn't mean that she always goes that route. I don't think you can draw many conclusions just based on one relationship.

Unlike Liara and Tali, i know that Ashley wasn't a Virgin before she met shepard.
That doesn't change the fact that her character if unromanced starts giggling like a school girl when she
stated before "..I'm not some giggling school girl" in ME 1".
Im sorry i just don't agree with that, even Tali's 'romance' with garrus i found completely out of place.
It seems like most side relationships were just made for the giggles.
Even in the lair of the shadowbroker you could get Liara to make a move on Feron if i remember correctly.

Modifié par BornFree87, 07 mars 2013 - 11:47 .