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[Drag Age Org49]

I'm on Dwarf part and I have two decisions, which political canadite is better? and should I chose a Golem army or a Dwarven army? They both seem game changing and I just need to know which choices will lead to a better outcome???

[SaBeRVuLcAn]

Bhelen is the "evil" one. Siding with Branka is the "evil" choice.

[KnightofPhoenix]

^ lol. Only that. Bhelen brings progress. Harrowmont is a wimp.



You get both armies if you keep the anvil. If you destroy the anvil, you only get dwarves.

[Joshd21]

SaBeRVuLcAn wrote...

Bhelen is the "evil" one. Siding with Branka is the "evil" choice.

That's not all the way enteriely true. If you side with other one, I heard as King he doesn't do so well in this end and at the attack at the very end of the game there are some soliders that refused to go to the blight. As Bhelen makes all of them go.

Branka may be good in the short run having that on your side. Though it may come back to bite you in the expansion.  see there is a golem in the expansion, I wonder if you let the anvil stay way it is if she tries to rule the kingdom or something.

Those are two different choices from kings

and choices if you side with Branka or the Golem.

The two kings, its just how they will rule the kingdom differently. Not sure one if more evil then the other, just who would be a better king

[SusanStoHelit]

Depends on what you want. Branka will make more golems out of non-volunteers, even coming to the surface and kidnapping people, to keep her golem army supplied.

Bhelen is a tyrant - but socially progressive. Harrowmont is a relatively good and just man - but very conservative.

Presuming, of course, that you are making your choice based on your character having a crystal ball and knowing how it will turn out (ie., metagaming) rather than on what seems right to that character.

Edit: You don't need the golems for allies. The dwarves are entirely sufficient. But again, it depends on what you want.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 13 janvier 2010 - 05:55 .

[CptPatch]

Drag Age Org49 wrote...

I'm on Dwarf part and I have two decisions, which political canadite is better? and should I chose a Golem army or a Dwarven army? They both seem game changing and I just need to know which choices will lead to a better outcome???

Much of your decision rests on _your_ ethics.
1) Is it okay to side with a murderer, cheat, thief that is directly responsible for his two siblings and father, BUT will provide you greater manpower for your army?
Or do you side with an honest, well-meaning man that sincerely wants to do what is best for his community, BUT the force he provides you won't be as powerful?

2) Do you free someone from an eternity of pain, BUT gets you _nothing_ to help you with your campaign?
Or do you knowingly and deliberately destroy the souls of scores/hundreds of Dwarves, as well as continue that person's eternity of anguish, BUT will add some potent forces to your growing army?

The answers say more about YOU than anything else.  Because, pointedly, the game is winnable regardless of which decisions you choose.

[Costin_Razvan]

Ethics?! ETHICS?! We are talking of politics here, damn it. The first rule is that there are no ethics or you will be weak, as Harrowmont is.

[CptPatch]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ethics?! ETHICS?! We are talking of politics here, damn it. The first rule is that there are no ethics or you will be weak, as Harrowmont is.

Well, there is YOUR answer:  _You_ have NO ethics.  Question answered.

[Urazz]

Bhelen is pretty much the evil choice but he's progressive and the one that actually does the most good for the dwarven people in the end. He even helps the casteless dwarves get a spot in society and reclaims some thaigs. He also disbands the dwarven council/congress when they start to threaten his power. Considering how corrupt and ineffectual it was, I think it's a good thing.



Bhelen is a revolutionary out to do the greatest good but has no problems being ruthless and doing what it takes to win. A trait some grey wardens have.



Harrowmont is the somewhat good choice (he did some of that politcal game stuff as well if I recall) but he ends up becoming a weak and ineffectual king that actually closes off the dwarves more and when he dies, the dwarves are back to square one again on the succession problem again.



Harrowmont is a good man but he's conservative in that he keeps things the same as king for the most part. He's also a politician through and through and is too willing to cave in and make deals.



I went with Bhelen and the Golem on my first playthrough and was pleasantly suprised to see how things turned out.

[Costin_Razvan]

CptPatch wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ethics?! ETHICS?! We are talking of politics here, damn it. The first rule is that there are no ethics or you will be weak, as Harrowmont is.

Well, there is YOUR answer:  _You_ have NO ethics.  Question answered.

Do not think for a second in your wonderland that any politican can win with ethics, Harrowmont proves that.

[YimirAeducen]

Bah Behelen is a coward and a tratior he murdered my brother and could not fight me face to face in a proving for the throne



and the casteless are fine where they are if not head to the surface gorim is doing fine and he doesnt exist



i freed the paragon from his suffering learning how the golems are formed and finding out that shale was a women i felt the anvil would be used for evil in a catch-22 scenerio



Bhelen would be horrible even father knew that may the stone reject him when he fell /spit

[Chained_Creator]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ethics?! ETHICS?! We are talking of politics here, damn it. The first rule is that there are no ethics or you will be weak, as Harrowmont is.

Wow, this is just...really wrong. I'm actually almost laughing.

[Costin_Razvan]

And that is why you are grunts and others who have no ethics rule this planet.

[jsachun]

SaBeRVuLcAn wrote...

Bhelen is the "evil" one. Siding with Branka is the "evil" choice.

 There is no such thing as the evil choice in DA:O game mechanics. Only consequences. I think lot of you let your morals get in the way of your discovery or exploits that could be had. "Welcome to the other side" Doors.

[Cuuniyevo]

You're misunderstanding the definition of ethics. What you, Costin_Razvan, are referring to is morality. Under some ethical codes, Bhelen would be considered to be in the right. Remember, in Dwarven society, especially in 'modern' Orzammar, it's kill or be killed, and he does what he does as a means to an end, not out of pleasure. He does not actually seem power-mad, he just has plans, and doesn't want someone he perceives to be weak leading Orzammar into ruin.

To the OP: Unless you care about the Dwarves as characters rather than resources, neither choice matters, as you can win either way.

Modifié par Cuuniyevo, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:54 .

[Chained_Creator]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And that is why you are grunts and others who have no ethics rule this planet.

This is not true. People with "no ethics" do not exist. Every decision a person makes is based off an ethical system of some sort.

Be it deontological, teleological, character-based, or motive-based. There is an ethical system there.

Whether or not they are moral people, or if their actions are moral, is a value judgement that you make based on your own ethical system.

[dkjestrup]

I'm looking forward to betraying Bhelen on my Dwarven Noble.

[Chained_Creator]

dkjestrup wrote...

I'm looking forward to betraying Bhelen on my Dwarven Noble.

Very straighforward, no beating around the bush. I like that.

[ArathWoeeye]

If you mean gameplay wise, it doesn't really matter. I never summoned the dwarf army in normal difficulty, though I don't know about others.



Bhelen is a scheming bastard, but damn he played it well. Arl Howe, on the other hand, is a lowly, opportunistic bastard side-kick that needs to be shish-kebabed.

[-Conspirator]

Bhelen is a ruthless genius. Nontheless on my last playthrough I played with him

Sided with Harrowmont first, got the crown, said that the paragon said that I can give the crown to whomever I choose and chose Bhelen. *g* His expression was priceless.

[jsachun]

-Conspirator wrote...

Bhelen is a ruthless genius. Nontheless on my last playthrough I played with him
Sided with Harrowmont first, got the crown, said that the paragon said that I can give the crown to whomever I choose and chose Bhelen. *g* His expression was priceless.

I would've given it to Jarvia or Branka if I had a choice. They've got more balls than either of them.

Modifié par jsachun, 14 janvier 2010 - 10:45 .

[-Conspirator]

Not Branka. But Jarvia could be a good queen, yes. Branka has gone crazy.

[jsachun]

-Conspirator wrote...

Not Branka. But Jarvia could be a good queen, yes. Branka has gone crazy.

She's not so bad if you give her her toy & just as good a smith as the Caridin.

Modifié par jsachun, 14 janvier 2010 - 10:55 .

[-Conspirator]

I gave her that toy once, but she didn't even want to go to the city and couldn't care less for politics.