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I don't get why Vega resists.

Because they couldn't change the rest of the game to reflect Shepard and Vega being together.


Or that Vega's just not that into Shepard. Non-sexual relationships between men and women do exist.

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Could we not treat rape like a joke, please?


Welcome to the internet, where most people don't care if you're offended or not.


George Carlin did it, and people still found it funny, so deal with it. It's the net.

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Schneidend wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

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I don't get why Vega resists.

Because they couldn't change the rest of the game to reflect Shepard and Vega being together.


Or that Vega's just not that into Shepard. Non-sexual relationships between men and women do exist.



Except that up until this point all evidence and experience pointed to Vega being interested in his 'Lola'. Besides he was origionally supposed to be a LI, but was cut last minute for some stupid reason.

It's such a let down.

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For the record, VEGA tells Shepard he wants to drink before. Shepard teases him and he could have said no at any time. He didn't tell her to stop her advances. No to sex the first time? Yes. No to her advances? Nope. He could have told her at any time to never approach the topic again.

Also, we never see how they wind up in bed. For all we know, Vega pulled Shepard into a deep make-out and they made their way to the bed room. We don't know THAT much about it.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

For the record, VEGA tells Shepard he wants to drink before. Shepard teases him and he could have said no at any time. He didn't tell her to stop her advances. No to sex the first time? Yes. No to her advances? Nope. He could have told her at any time to never approach the topic again.

Also, we never see how they wind up in bed. For all we know, Vega pulled Shepard into a deep make-out and they made their way to the bed room. We don't know THAT much about it.



I'll just imagine that he needed the drink to get over his nerves, then took the inititive after. Image IPB

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Sugarjaye wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

For the record, VEGA tells Shepard he wants to drink before. Shepard teases him and he could have said no at any time. He didn't tell her to stop her advances. No to sex the first time? Yes. No to her advances? Nope. He could have told her at any time to never approach the topic again.

Also, we never see how they wind up in bed. For all we know, Vega pulled Shepard into a deep make-out and they made their way to the bed room. We don't know THAT much about it.



I'll just imagine that he needed the drink to get over his nerves, then took the inititive after. Image IPB



That was my thought to. Hello? Your worshiped hero actually takes you up on the offer for sex. No pressure or anything for your sexual performance.

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Sugarjaye wrote...

Except that up until this point all evidence and experience pointed to Vega being interested in his 'Lola'. Besides he was origionally supposed to be a LI, but was cut last minute for some stupid reason.

It's such a let down.

Dunno man, sometimes me and my platonic friends get really flirty.  I've been flirting with my BFF for all ten years I've known her and we still haven't boned.  In fact, we've no plans to bone each other whatsoever.

Vega not being an LI is indeed a letdown.  Poor fella deserves a lot more character development than he got.

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I watched it on YT and it made me feel really uncomfortable. Shepard basically peer pressured James into a one night stand. It doesn't help that Shepard's voice is like riddled with dark intentions and manipulative scheming lol and I'm a fan of FemSheps VA normally.

God forbid there was a gender reversal, there would truly be an uproar over how that "romance" was depicted.

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Yeah - someone really needs to explain sexual harassment to fem Shep, seems she's a repeat offender!

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This is pretty ****ed up. I have no idea how anyone at Bioware--voice actors included--gave this their okay.

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Remember everyone, according to the feminist who are ruling society and have tons of political power, female on male rape never happens and is impossible. Don't you all realize that rape can only be done by males to females and that female to male rape is impossible and never happens? Woman are ALWAYS the victim and men and ALWAYS the perpetrator. That's why all the aid shelters are only for woman and why any shelters that try to open for men get their funding cut because a rape shelter for men is an oxymoron!

By the way, this whole post is sarcasm.

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Budgier wrote...

I watched it on YT and it made me feel really uncomfortable. Shepard basically peer pressured James into a one night stand. It doesn't help that Shepard's voice is like riddled with dark intentions and manipulative scheming lol and I'm a fan of FemSheps VA normally.

Yeah, man.  Gives me the creeps.

God forbid there was a gender reversal, there would truly be an uproar over how that "romance" was depicted.

I know, right?!  And they don't even give you the option to double-check if Vega's okay with it or apologize in the morning when he's clearly not!  Noooope, all auto-dialogue if you flirt too hard with Vega.  Ick ick ickity ick.

Seriously, if it's not okay for BroShep, it's not okay for FemShep.  Likewise the other way.

biower pls stahp

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I think you guys are blowing some things out of proportion.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

I think you guys are blowing some things out of proportion.

Not really.  Pretend Vega's the commander and FemShep is the lowly soldier.  FemShep flirts with her commander, but when pressed she makes it clear that she's not interested in pursuing a physical relationship.  Commander Vega, however, won't leave her alone.  Vega demands she put out.  When that doesn't work, he waits for her to get drunk.

The role reversal should help highlight how creepy it is.

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So Vega can make Shepard feel uncomfortable but femshep can't do the samething to Vega? Double standards much.


Vega flirts, FemShep gets him drunk and sleeps with him. There is a difference.


FemShep got him drunk? It wasn't like he was avoiding alchohol the entire party and Shepard activley handed him drinks.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I think you guys are blowing some things out of proportion.

Not really.  Pretend Vega's the commander and FemShep is the lowly soldier.  FemShep flirts with her commander, but when pressed she makes it clear that she's not interested in pursuing a physical relationship.  Commander Vega, however, won't leave her alone.  Vega demands she put out.  When that doesn't work, he waits for her to get drunk.

The role reversal should help highlight how creepy it is.


But, Shepard didn't wait for Vega to get drunk. Vega agreed that he would need some drinks before he'd be up for it.

As I said, and no one commented, we don't see how they wind up in bed exactly. We don't know all the details here and we can't exactly judge. : /

Vega also never said he'd never sleep with her at all. If he never wanted to, He should have said as much.

I think the 'rapey' feelings from the scene, which I understand where they come from, are more from poor line delivery than anything else.

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

But, Shepard didn't wait for Vega to get drunk. Vega agreed that he would need some drinks before he'd be up for it.

As I said, and no one commented, we don't see how they wind up in bed exactly. We don't know all the details here and we can't exactly judge. : /

Vega also never said he'd never sleep with her at all. If he never wanted to, He should have said as much.

I think the 'rapey' feelings from the scene, which I understand where they come from, are more from poor line delivery than anything else.

Maybe.  She-Wolf Shepard strikes again!

But the part that makes it all horrible for me is Vega's reaction when he wakes up next to her.  It's subtle, but you can tell he's upset.  We weren't given the option to ask if he was okay.

Worst kind of ninjamance?  Yes, yes I think so.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 08 mars 2013 - 09:31 .


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... This sounds kind of intense.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

But, Shepard didn't wait for Vega to get drunk. Vega agreed that he would need some drinks before he'd be up for it.

As I said, and no one commented, we don't see how they wind up in bed exactly. We don't know all the details here and we can't exactly judge. : /

Vega also never said he'd never sleep with her at all. If he never wanted to, He should have said as much.

I think the 'rapey' feelings from the scene, which I understand where they come from, are more from poor line delivery than anything else.

Maybe.  She-Wolf Shepard strikes again!

But the part that makes it all horrible for me is Vega's reaction when he wakes up next to her.  It's subtle, but you can tell he's upset.  We weren't given the option to ask if he was okay.

Worst kind of ninjamance?  Yes, yes I think so.


Ninjamance? You would have had to activley persue him to get that scene. I think waking up to Javik is a bit worse.

And, its either he is upset (which happens with One-Night Stands and not unsual in the slightest) or its the hangover or its anxiety (did that really just happen?!). Or some combination.

Condering the over all tone of the entire DLC and just simply that party-scene is affectonate parody and light-hearted, I think we should look at it from that perspective.

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CosmicGnosis wrote...

... This sounds kind of intense.



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andy69156915 wrote...

Remember everyone, according to the feminist who are ruling society and have tons of political power, female on male rape never happens and is impossible. Don't you all realize that rape can only be done by males to females and that female to male rape is impossible and never happens? Woman are ALWAYS the victim and men and ALWAYS the perpetrator. That's why all the aid shelters are only for woman and why any shelters that try to open for men get their funding cut because a rape shelter for men is an oxymoron!

By the way, this whole post is sarcasm.

...I've never actually heard anyone make this argument.

You tried it tho.

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I watched the Youtube video in question. It's awkward in spots, but I'm not really getting a "rapey" feel from it. It seems to me that James is not so much unwilling to consider a relationship with Shepard but more feeling too intimidated by her. He sees her as a sort of living legend, and he just can't get over the feeling that she's "out of his league", that he couldn't possibly be a good match for her. It'd be a similar sort of situation if you ran into a famous supermodel or singer you'd always idolised on the street, who incredibly takes a genuine interest in you. This person is way hotter, way richer, and way more talented than you'll ever be. You can't tell me that you wouldn't feel overwhelmed or intimidated, always having to live in your partner's shadow.

In any case, things are somewhat different for James and Shepard because they're both front-line troops who can at least relate to each other. Things could go either way after that morning. Either James finally realises that FemShep is a person underneath the legend, someone who likes him and finds him attractive, or he just can't get past that feeling of insecurity. (If it's the latter, then Shepard should call it off, because that will not lead to good things for a long-term relationship.)

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simfamSP wrote...

MinttyMint wrote...

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So Vega can make Shepard feel uncomfortable but femshep can't do the samething to Vega? Double standards much.


Vega flirts, FemShep gets him drunk and sleeps with him. There is a difference.


FemShep got him drunk? It wasn't like he was avoiding alchohol the entire party and Shepard activley handed him drinks.


Well no I guess she didnt actively try to get him drunk. You as a player need to have a loud party, in order for him to get himself drunk, so she can sleep with him. Yeah... Everything was just so good before then that it dissapointed me that he had to get drunk to sleep with her, its sketchy.

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Femshep always sounds like she's in porno when she's being seductive


Flashbacks of chatting with Jacob in ME2.  Not cool, Griffin.


mmm but the prize!


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But yeah, Femshep gets creepy when she's trying to be hardcore seductive.
Or maybe it's just the bad lines...

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I think you guys are blowing some things out of proportion.

Not really.  Pretend Vega's the commander and FemShep is the lowly soldier.  FemShep flirts with her commander, but when pressed she makes it clear that she's not interested in pursuing a physical relationship.  Commander Vega, however, won't leave her alone.  Vega demands she put out.  When that doesn't work, he waits for her to get drunk.

The role reversal should help highlight how creepy it is.


But, Shepard didn't wait for Vega to get drunk. Vega agreed that he would need some drinks before he'd be up for it.

As I said, and no one commented, we don't see how they wind up in bed exactly. We don't know all the details here and we can't exactly judge. : /

Vega also never said he'd never sleep with her at all. If he never wanted to, He should have said as much.

I think the 'rapey' feelings from the scene, which I understand where they come from, are more from poor line delivery than anything else.


"I'd need to get drunk before I can sleep with you" is not huge red flag for you?

Vega's obvious discomfort when sober is not another?

Vega's side of this situation smacks of "she's my superior officer so I just better get it over with and satisfy her. Pass the vodka."

It's disturbing no matter how you slice it.

Modifié par Sabariel, 08 mars 2013 - 10:26 .