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MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game


I honestly don't see a problem. You set it a couple hundred years into the future, drop a few ending sensitive lines and you got yourself a sequel.

Maybe put a few ending specific sidequests that elaborate on the mysteries from the first three games still unanswered.

Simple, I honestly don't see what the challenge is here.

Modifié par StElmo, 09 mars 2013 - 07:38 .


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I agree with pretty much everything in this thread. Well done OP et al.

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StElmo wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game


I honestly don't see a problem. You set it a couple hundred years into the future, drop a few ending sensitive lines and you got yourself a sequel.

Maybe put a few ending specific sidequests that elaborate on the mysteries from the first three games still unanswered.

Simple, I honestly don't see what the challenge is here.


How would that work though for some who for example did the low ems destroy, and everyone/thing dies in the galaxy? A few hundred years after that things are fine and dandy? Or for those who do the synthesis ending? The refuse ending as well, similar to the low ems destroy in which everyone dies. There are too many endings to account for, unless they choose a canon. Chris has said a few times that there won't be a canon ending, but we all know how SWTOR turned out with KoTOR. They really screwed up sequels with the endings of ME3, again, unless they choose to make a specific ending/set of choices throughout the game canon. That seems to be the most likely given the corner they've put themselves into. 

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tobynator89 wrote...

My guess is that next Mass Effect will not be a sequel and it will not be titled Mass Effect 4


agreed. But after a game or two, I bet they'll pick up Shepard story again. They said  Shepard's story was done...not that he can't have two stories. I would like to see a couple spin off games. But then I would like to pick up a bit after the events of ME3 with Shepard and company. 

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shodiswe wrote...

Control could have a Shepard clone that's controled in a similar fashion as EDI's mech body, or the Avatar in the movie Avatar....

But in whatever event I really don't think Shepard should have that much to do with this new character or the story. If they add a control Shepard that's just as unimportant as the unimportant Destroy Shepard, then I would be fine with it. Synthesis I don't know... I'm not sure I would want a clone that isn't shepard, because the clone in Citadel wasn't Shepard anyway, it just had Shepards DNA.

But in Control it would be Shepard seeing as it has all of Shepards memories.
But, really I want a new character and preferably one that has very little to do with Shepard.
Destroy Shepard dies when Liara is still young, Control Shepard lives til billions of years after Liara is nothing but dust sicne billions of years back.

I could imagine that it would be weird for Liara to suddenly have a mate that will outlive her by a factor of millions.


I hope it was clear my idea would be nothing more than a nod to the previous games.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game


I honestly don't see a problem. You set it a couple hundred years into the future, drop a few ending sensitive lines and you got yourself a sequel.

Maybe put a few ending specific sidequests that elaborate on the mysteries from the first three games still unanswered.

Simple, I honestly don't see what the challenge is here.


How would that work though for some who for example did the low ems destroy


1. I don't think low EMS destroy will even be a transferrable save
2. If it was low EMS destroy, a plot flag would stop the scene from occuring, shepard would be dead.

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StElmo wrote...

In the citadel archives, we see holovids of various key moments in history.

(Assuming Destroy was picked in ME3, other endings would have other references in the future game)

Imagine if, while going through some archive in "Mass Effect Next", that you [The new protagonist] come accross a video of Shepards team in ME3 finding your body in the rubble, fixing you up and Shepards ME3 LI kissing him - all recorded through the LI omnitool and now in a long lost database somewhere.

The protagonist feels stragely affected by this discovery, unbenknownst to its significance.

Some awesome sad Sam Hulick music plays.

End of sequence.

Imagine that, that would blow my mind, especially after citadel, the friendship was so goddamn strong and amazing in that.

I would die. Not literally, but of supreme nostalgic pleasure.






And the protagonist feels affected because the perosn he see's as this 'shepard' character being dugg out from the rubble is himself. Boom. Mind Blown. Let the games Begin. 

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StElmo wrote...

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

They wouldn't do it. The amount of rage that would occur would be apocalyptic.


Why? It would be a nice easter egg. Not sure how it could make reasonable people angry.


because people would have to buy a new game, to see how the story of this one ends.

this "easter egg" would be the final insult.

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StElmo wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game


I honestly don't see a problem. You set it a couple hundred years into the future, drop a few ending sensitive lines and you got yourself a sequel.

Maybe put a few ending specific sidequests that elaborate on the mysteries from the first three games still unanswered.

Simple, I honestly don't see what the challenge is here.


How would that work though for some who for example did the low ems destroy


1. I don't think low EMS destroy will even be a transferrable save
2. If it was low EMS destroy, a plot flag would stop the scene from occuring, shepard would be dead.



If they even allow saves to be imported, I don't see them discriminating against some because they're bad. I can understand ME2's shepards death not being importable, since ME3 continues his story, but the endings are up to the players. Apparently the only ending that doesn't generate an end game file is the refuse ending. The rest do, including low ems.

In regards to what you're saying though, my point was not about a scene but simply continuity. If there are no humans, asari, geth, quarians, salarians, etc.. alive, it wouldn't really be a mass effect game no? Unless Mass Effect to bioware simply means the universe, in which we could possibly get new species. But even that is a stretch, as there would be no humans which would be awkward. And that is just in reference to dead species. For those who chose synthesis, everyone is a combination of synthetics and organics. That would be difficult to acknowledge in a sequel where you have the choice to synthesize or not, completely changing the very nature of the different species.

The point i'm trying to make is I doubt that Bioware will even reference shepard at all in the next game, because dependent on what you chose, one ending is vastly different from another. Casey Hudson said a while back during ME3's development that they could go crazy with ME3's endings because they didn't have to worry about continuity as they did in previous games. So unless they canonize an ending, something Priestly recently said they wouldn't do,  I don't see how any mass effect game that comes next could give a nod to the events that took place at ME3's end. That's just what i've been able to conclude from what we know about the next game, the me3, and developer comments. But as I said before, Bioware stated that KoTOR had no canon, then SWTOR came out. So maybe they'll end up going back on it like they did with that series. 

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MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game.



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Jadebaby wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game.


oh .. they have plenty of ideas .. prequel, inquel, spinoff, alternate universe ..


and that bothers me ...

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Guys I am not a downer nor pesimist...but, seriously, this ship sank from the beggining. Just live with the ideea that ME3 was how it was. There is no good to dig too much.....this is what Bioware intended. If they really wanted to change the endings...they would have done it. Don't come and say that EA did them wrong...Sure, ME3 could have been better but...it didn't happen.

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As a continuity nod?
Sure

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Dr_Extrem wrote...

StElmo wrote...

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

They wouldn't do it. The amount of rage that would occur would be apocalyptic.


Why? It would be a nice easter egg. Not sure how it could make reasonable people angry.


because people would have to buy a new game, to see how the story of this one ends.

this "easter egg" would be the final insult.


Those people aren't buying the next game anyway, so why not give some fan service to those of us who will?

See Citadel DLC - people love fan service, they will pay for it too!

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

StElmo wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

To be honest, I believe BW has no idea what the hell they can do in the next game


I honestly don't see a problem. You set it a couple hundred years into the future, drop a few ending sensitive lines and you got yourself a sequel.

Maybe put a few ending specific sidequests that elaborate on the mysteries from the first three games still unanswered.

Simple, I honestly don't see what the challenge is here.


How would that work though for some who for example did the low ems destroy


1. I don't think low EMS destroy will even be a transferrable save
2. If it was low EMS destroy, a plot flag would stop the scene from occuring, shepard would be dead.



If they even allow saves to be imported, I don't see them discriminating against some because they're bad. I can understand ME2's shepards death not being importable, since ME3 continues his story, but the endings are up to the players. Apparently the only ending that doesn't generate an end game file is the refuse ending. The rest do, including low ems.

In regards to what you're saying though, my point was not about a scene but simply continuity. If there are no humans, asari, geth, quarians, salarians, etc.. alive, it wouldn't really be a mass effect game no? Unless Mass Effect to bioware simply means the universe, in which we could possibly get new species. But even that is a stretch, as there would be no humans which would be awkward. And that is just in reference to dead species. For those who chose synthesis, everyone is a combination of synthetics and organics. That would be difficult to acknowledge in a sequel where you have the choice to synthesize or not, completely changing the very nature of the different species.

The point i'm trying to make is I doubt that Bioware will even reference shepard at all in the next game, because dependent on what you chose, one ending is vastly different from another. Casey Hudson said a while back during ME3's development that they could go crazy with ME3's endings because they didn't have to worry about continuity as they did in previous games. So unless they canonize an ending, something Priestly recently said they wouldn't do,  I don't see how any mass effect game that comes next could give a nod to the events that took place at ME3's end. That's just what i've been able to conclude from what we know about the next game, the me3, and developer comments. But as I said before, Bioware stated that KoTOR had no canon, then SWTOR came out. So maybe they'll end up going back on it like they did with that series. 


I still don't see any real reason why they can't reference all three endings depending on your choice. The endings don't have to be vastly different in their effect, all we saw is max 10 years after ME3 in the epilogue. add 150 to that and you have yourself a galaxy easily lined up to be similar and ready for only a few ending specific quests.

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StElmo wrote...

I still don't see any real reason why they can't reference all three endings depending on your choice. The endings don't have to be vastly different in their effect, all we saw is max 10 years after ME3 in the epilogue. add 150 to that and you have yourself a galaxy easily lined up to be similar and ready for only a few ending specific quests.


You are obviously in denial about the scale of the ending decision. We are talking about a forever kind of a deal here. There will be no end to the differences, not in 150 years, not in 150 million years.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 09 mars 2013 - 03:57 .


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NeonFlux117 wrote...

And the protagonist feels affected because the perosn he see's as this 'shepard' character being dugg out from the rubble is himself. Boom. Mind Blown. Let the games Begin. 


That would be a hell of a beginning to the next ME game. Shame they're so committed to dropping Shepard...he/she's going to be a tough hero to beat.

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SpamBot2000 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I still don't see any real reason why they can't reference all three endings depending on your choice. The endings don't have to be vastly different in their effect, all we saw is max 10 years after ME3 in the epilogue. add 150 to that and you have yourself a galaxy easily lined up to be similar and ready for only a few ending specific quests.


You are obviously in denial about the scale of the ending decision. We are talking about a forever kind of a deal here. There will be no end to the differences, not in 150 years, not in 150 million years.


I'm not in denial, I am pointing out the extent of the differences is malleable to what the creators want to do. Sure you COULD make it drastically different, but you don't have to make it so. You are being too stubborn about a belief that you think it will be heaps different.

I am saying it COULD not be that different, the option is there.