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[MrGMM88]

dreamgazer wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Beliar86 wrote...

I would agree if the DLC took itself seriously. It doesn't. Think of it as just good fun, like a mario game or something. Plot is irrelevant.

And here we have Biowares new target audience

And what about those who have been enjoying BioWare's products since the Baldur's Gate days who also enjoyed this DLC?

Then you are a fan of bad writing

Lighten up, Francis. 

Whos francis?

[Venom man4]

I really think its going too far to assume that for now on Bioware is going to throw story out the window and only focus on shooting things and characters that can crack good one liners.

Modifié par Venom man4, 08 mars 2013 - 07:34 .

[Schneidend]

MrGMM88 wrote...

Then you are a fan of bad writing

It's funny when people like you talk about "bad writing" as though it's not entirely subjective. Funny, and sad.

[MECavScout01]

Mr.House wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

i think we're all grown up enough here to admit that me3 as a whole was poorly written fanfic

Nope, I'll admit both ME2 and ME3 where poorly written with stand points, that's it. Only ME was the best written product in the series.

And I disagree with House.

ME2 was by far the best to me. ME gets it for best overall story, but I play for the characters and the adventure.

Citadel is up there for me as the best DLC ever released for ME.

Keep in mind that I really dislike Omega and the Extended Cut, and feel ambivalent about Leviathan. From Ashes is good.

[MrGMM88]

Venom man4 wrote...

I really think its going too far to assume that for now on Bioware is going to throw story out the window and only focus on shooting things and characters that can crack good one liners.

Dragon Age 2, SWTOR would like to have a word with you

[Exile Isan]

As far was the "they don't need shore leave" argument, I played this right after Rannoch. My Shep just got blasted by a zillion Geth, got shot at by a Reaper, and ended a war that's been going on for 300 years. I think she deserved to go dancing with Garrus.

[MrGMM88]

Schneidend wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Then you are a fan of bad writing

It's funny when people like you talk about "bad writing" as though it's not entirely subjective. Funny, and sad.

The ME Trilogy suffers from major plot holes and inconsistencies which equals bad writing

[Schneidend]

MrGMM88 wrote...

The ME Trilogy suffers from major plot holes and inconsistencies which equals bad writing

It's also really funny when people throw around the phrase "plot hole" about every game or book they've ever disliked. Again, funny and sad.
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

[Mr.House]

MECavScout01 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

i think we're all grown up enough here to admit that me3 as a whole was poorly written fanfic

Nope, I'll admit both ME2 and ME3 where poorly written with stand points, that's it. Only ME was the best written product in the series.

And I disagree with House.

ME2 was by far the best to me. ME gets it for best overall story, but I play for the characters and the adventure.

Citadel is up there for me as the best DLC ever released for ME.

Keep in mind that I really dislike Omega and the Extended Cut, and feel ambivalent about Leviathan. From Ashes is good.

Overall stories are important and both games failed, for frick sakes the main stoiry of the Citadel was more enjoyable then the Reaper war or Collectors.

[gisle]

It was one day, one night. You have any idea how little that is in the scale of this war? Think a handful of FTL trips between systems and you're getting close.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 08 mars 2013 - 07:44 .

[MrGMM88]

Schneidend wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

The ME Trilogy suffers from major plot holes and inconsistencies which equals bad writing

It's also really funny when people throw around the phrase "plot hole" about every game or book they've ever disliked. Again, funny and sad.
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

Debunk with your head canon or ingame evidence?

[Village_Idiot]

Schneidend wrote...

It's also really funny when people throw around the phrase "plot hole" about every game or book they've ever disliked. Again, funny and sad.
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

I'm playing devil's advocate, but...

Thermal clips in Jacob's loyalty mission?

[Mr.House]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

It's also really funny when people throw around the phrase "plot hole" about every game or book they've ever disliked. Again, funny and sad.
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

I'm playing devil's advocate, but...

Thermal clips in Jacob's loyalty mission?

Or how about the shuttle scene after IFF when there are no misisons left to do in the game but Shepard leaves anyways to do...something, with her whole squad.

[MECavScout01]

Mr.House wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

i think we're all grown up enough here to admit that me3 as a whole was poorly written fanfic

Nope, I'll admit both ME2 and ME3 where poorly written with stand points, that's it. Only ME was the best written product in the series.

And I disagree with House.

ME2 was by far the best to me. ME gets it for best overall story, but I play for the characters and the adventure.

Citadel is up there for me as the best DLC ever released for ME.

Keep in mind that I really dislike Omega and the Extended Cut, and feel ambivalent about Leviathan. From Ashes is good.

Overall stories are important and both games failed, for frick sakes the main stoiry of the Citadel was more enjoyable then the Reaper war or Collectors.

And for me, the story is still excellent in ME2 (not by any means to the level of ME1, but still decent). It's the characters that raise the bar for me. That's what Citadel was all about, and that's why I love it so much.

[Darkelefantos1]

Mr.House wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

It's also really funny when people throw around the phrase "plot hole" about every game or book they've ever disliked. Again, funny and sad.
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

I'm playing devil's advocate, but...

Thermal clips in Jacob's loyalty mission?

Or how about the shuttle scene after IFF when there are no misisons left to do in the game but Shepard leaves anyways to do...something, with her whole squad.

And I quote "Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2".

Also, @ MrGMM88, I'd like to know how you will attempt to make a valid point by bringing up SWTOR, which has more story content in one game than the entire ME trilogy, while still having to cater to MMO fans.

[Exile Isan]

Schneidend wrote...
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

There are several seats in the shuttle. Anyway, there is one plot hole in ME2 that cannot be explained away. EDI, until the Reaper IFF mission where you get to play as Joker, has no control over the ship's systems. When you escape from the Collector Ship Joker tells EDI to "get us the hell out of here" and she replies "engaging mass effect core" something she has no control over at that point in the game. That is a plot hole.

About the thermal clips on Jacob's loyalty mission, separation of gameplay and story.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 08 mars 2013 - 07:58 .

[Village_Idiot]

MECavScout01 wrote...

And for me, the story is still excellent in ME2 (not by any means to the level of ME1, but still decent). It's the characters that raise the bar for me. That's what Citadel was all about, and that's why I love it so much.

I agree. Mass Effect has become a primarily character-driven trilogy. There are many narrative flaws throughout it, but because the characters and universe were so compelling, I didn't care. There was no break of suspension of disbelief.

Sure I can critique it now, but with the exception of ME3's original ending, I had an absolute blast on my first playthroughs of all three games.

[MrGMM88]

Schneidend wrote...
Other than the silly "everybody get in the shuttle" bit in ME2, there isn't a "plot hole" in this franchise I cannot debunk.

Since you got all the answers i want you to answer these questions. Please also post all of your sources or quote the ingame dialogue.

Why didnt the Reapers take control of the Citadel and close down the relay network like they always do?

Why didnt Shepard try to retake the Collector Base if saved or at least shut down the Cerberus Base beyond the Omega 4 Relay?

Why didnt the normandy shoot harbinger/harbinger shoot the normandy?

Why didnt we use the Ilos backdoor relay to get to the Citadel (or at least consider the option)?

Why would the starchild allow us to destroy him and the reapers rather than accepting a peace offer?

Modifié par MrGMM88, 08 mars 2013 - 07:57 .

[gisle]

The Citadel DLC's theme was the squad. That was evident throughout, and clear as day at the end of the clone plot. The squad has some funny moments together during the entire game - all three games -, it just gets a lot more of it if you cram all of them into the same mission.

As for the shore leave part. Yeah, what do you expect? They might be capable combatants all of them, they might have seen some horrible **** in the war, but still, they're people. People act differently in a leirsurely setting than in a battle during a galaxy-wide war. I think the shore leave time was justified by the Normandy's need to undergo maintenance and that the people needed to unwind.

[AlexMBrennan]

ME2 was by far the best to me. ME gets it for best overall story, but I play for the characters and the adventure.

That's besides the point. ME2 had interesting characters, but their involvement was utterly contrived - knowing nothing at all about enemy capabilities, you randomly assemble a squad of commandos and that magically turns out exactly what's needed to win in the end. Brilliant writing.

[CronoDragoon]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
That's besides the point. ME2 had interesting characters, but their involvement was utterly contrived - knowing nothing at all about enemy capabilities, you randomly assemble a squad of commandos and that magically turns out exactly what's needed to win in the end. Brilliant writing.

Yeah, what are the chances that leadership, biotics, and technical prowess will be needed in a space mission involving a coordinated enemy force?

[CDR David Shepard]

Your title should read...

People sticking around just to bad mouth the game = idiots

I mean honestly...you really have nothing else you could be doing right now?

Why waste your time constantly complaining about something you do not like?

It makes no sense.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 08 mars 2013 - 08:15 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreamgazer wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You don't have a say, minority.

I fart in your general direction. <_<

Quiet, or do you want me to release the statistics on you? 

Yeah, that's what I thought. 

[The Night Mammoth]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Your title should read...

People sticking around just to bad mouth the game = idiots

I mean honestly...you really have nothing else you could be doing right now?

Why waste your time...and others...constantly complaining about something you do not like.

It makes no sense.

He's not wasting anyone else's time. You're not forced to read, care about, or respond to, anything he posts. 

[CDR David Shepard]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Your title should read...

People sticking around just to bad mouth the game = idiots

I mean honestly...you really have nothing else you could be doing right now?

Why waste your time...and others...constantly complaining about something you do not like.

It makes no sense.

He's not wasting anyone else's time. You're not forced to read, care about, or respond to, anything he posts. 

You're right...no one is forced to read, care about, etc...

Anyways...taking out the part about wasting others time...

Why waste your time constantly complaining about something you do not like?

Especially those who are still complaining about ME3 as a whole a year later...

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 08 mars 2013 - 08:16 .