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[dversion]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Are you like a ...sad person, or something?

Define, "sad."

Sad refering to lost potencial of a great space opera? Certainly.

Sad in terms of my life? Not really. I mean sure there's some ups and downs, but that's with anyone. Getting parking tickets sucks though, so I'm a little bummed in that aspect that's for true. 

Well if you want to define them as sperate things...
You went through a lot of hoops to try and force your brain to reimagine how something you played a year ago ended.

I mean as long as you're not curled up in the fetal position mumbling "Its ends with a fun party. Javik wears a party hat and everyone gets ice cream.... it does it does... why won't people believe me..."

I guess as someone who lives and breaths literature everyday, I get attached to certain narratives more than others. It doesn't mean that it's my entire life though, more or less a passing thought or a hobby. 

Just because someone is passionate about something, never assume it's to an un-healthy degree. 

But like... if you read a book and it has a bad ending, I'm assuming you don't try and twist around things in your head to make it more palatable, right? Even if some short side story comes out that takes place inbetween the book that you're reading, you would cut the pages out of that book and paste it into the end of the main book? That's what a crazy person would do.

[zombitologist]

 Good job, I try to take things how they're intended by the author/creator but I like this just as much. It's essentially what I'm doing I've already played the ending portion. It's not quite as fun as the DLC.

[Reptilian Rob]

dversion wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Are you like a ...sad person, or something?

Define, "sad."

Sad refering to lost potencial of a great space opera? Certainly.

Sad in terms of my life? Not really. I mean sure there's some ups and downs, but that's with anyone. Getting parking tickets sucks though, so I'm a little bummed in that aspect that's for true. 

Well if you want to define them as sperate things...
You went through a lot of hoops to try and force your brain to reimagine how something you played a year ago ended.

I mean as long as you're not curled up in the fetal position mumbling "Its ends with a fun party. Javik wears a party hat and everyone gets ice cream.... it does it does... why won't people believe me..."

I guess as someone who lives and breaths literature everyday, I get attached to certain narratives more than others. It doesn't mean that it's my entire life though, more or less a passing thought or a hobby. 

Just because someone is passionate about something, never assume it's to an un-healthy degree. 

But like... if you read a book and it has a bad ending, I'm assuming you don't try and twist around things in your head to make it more palatable, right? Even if some short side story comes out that takes place inbetween the book that you're reading, you would cut the pages out of that book and paste it into the end of the main book? That's what a crazy person would do.

No, that's what a creative person would do. 

Are you implying that anyone who headcanons qualifies as "crazy?" Because that would be a large percentage of the ME community, not to mention a ton of other franchises as well. Fan fiction? 

You can make the same argument for the writers of ME as well. Obviously they liked the way Deus Ex ended, so they just re-packaged it and glued it to ME3. I would consider that warping and twisting as well, but I don't consider it crazy. It's a nice nod to another great sci fi franchise. Creativity is a duel edged sword, especially concerning literature and writing. 

[dversion]

Writing your own fanfiction is fine and creative. But forcing yourself to believe that what you wrote is somehow the way it actually happened is a fantasy of a fantasy. Also, 'headcanon' a word that has somehow become part of the lexicon of this community but really just means 'imagination' is fine if you're talking about "hey I wish this is what happened" but forcing yourself to believe that a fantasy world written by someone else was actually a fantasy world written by you is 1.sort of kind of insane. And 2. sort of kind of arrogant.

Writers borrow and even steal ideas from other writers, which is fine. However writers don't just rewrite over a last part of a book and call it 'fixed'

Again, imagine (or headcanon) an image of someone desperately whiting out the last few pages of a book and scribbling in their own explanation and tell me that isn't both insane or arrogant.

Like if I write up a new ending for Battlestar Galactica, which is a show that I found personally disappointing with it's ending. That's fine to sort of get my ideas out on paper or a word doc. But I wouldn't try and convince myself or others that this is how it really ended.

[Reptilian Rob]

dversion wrote...

Writing your own fanfiction is fine and creative. But forcing yourself to believe that what you wrote is somehow the way it actually happened is a fantasy of a fantasy. Also, 'headcanon' a word that has somehow become part of the lexicon of this community but really just means 'imagination' is fine if you're talking about "hey I wish this is what happened" but forcing yourself to believe that a fantasy world written by someone else was actually a fantasy world written by you is 1.sort of kind of insane. And 2. sort of kind of arrogant.

Writers borrow and even steal ideas from other writers, which is fine. However writers don't just rewrite over a last part of a book and call it 'fixed'

Again, imagine (or headcanon) an image of someone desperately whiting out the last few pages of a book and scribbling in their own explanation and tell me that isn't both insane or arrogant.

Like if I write up a new ending for Battlestar Galactica, which is a show that I found personally disappointing with it's ending. That's fine to sort of get my ideas out on paper or a word doc. But I wouldn't try and convince myself or others that this is how it really ended.

One flaw here, the devs have stated there is no canon ending. I'm not "forcing" myself to believe anything, but rather building upon what was left for me. Also, the notion that this thread is focing others to do the same is ridiculous. The OP even overtly states "something to think about."

I have better things to do with my time than force myself, let alone others to believe in something I have created. This is simply an alternative to the plethora of other creations that have come out of this less than stellar conclusion. 

[dversion]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Writing your own fanfiction is fine and creative. But forcing yourself to believe that what you wrote is somehow the way it actually happened is a fantasy of a fantasy. Also, 'headcanon' a word that has somehow become part of the lexicon of this community but really just means 'imagination' is fine if you're talking about "hey I wish this is what happened" but forcing yourself to believe that a fantasy world written by someone else was actually a fantasy world written by you is 1.sort of kind of insane. And 2. sort of kind of arrogant.

Writers borrow and even steal ideas from other writers, which is fine. However writers don't just rewrite over a last part of a book and call it 'fixed'

Again, imagine (or headcanon) an image of someone desperately whiting out the last few pages of a book and scribbling in their own explanation and tell me that isn't both insane or arrogant.

Like if I write up a new ending for Battlestar Galactica, which is a show that I found personally disappointing with it's ending. That's fine to sort of get my ideas out on paper or a word doc. But I wouldn't try and convince myself or others that this is how it really ended.

One flaw here, the devs have stated there is no canon ending. I'm not "forcing" myself to believe anything, but rather building upon what was left for me. Also, the notion that this thread is focing others to do the same is ridiculous. The OP even overtly states "something to think about."

I have better things to do with my time than force myself, let alone others to believe in something I have created. This is simply an alternative to the plethora of other creations that have come out of this less than stellar conclusion. 

You know they mean: There's no canon in terms of no choice in the game will be considered the correct one. Not, "there's no canon so... go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe regardless if it happened or not."

I mean I think of the DLC as and ending less of "this is how the story ended." and more of "This is the end to these characters and my experience." Mainly because it's the last thing I'll do in the game so it's a good taste to leave off on.

[jds1bio]

I don't make decisions when I read a book, but I still have to conjure up neural impressions of images and vocal sounds. I'm sure they're never going to match the author's own impressions, but yet they help glue the story together for me in my imagination.

A consequence of getting to make some decisions in Mass Effect is that you are continuously testing your own neural impressions of those decisions against what happens in the game.

[Reptilian Rob]

dversion wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Writing your own fanfiction is fine and creative. But forcing yourself to believe that what you wrote is somehow the way it actually happened is a fantasy of a fantasy. Also, 'headcanon' a word that has somehow become part of the lexicon of this community but really just means 'imagination' is fine if you're talking about "hey I wish this is what happened" but forcing yourself to believe that a fantasy world written by someone else was actually a fantasy world written by you is 1.sort of kind of insane. And 2. sort of kind of arrogant.

Writers borrow and even steal ideas from other writers, which is fine. However writers don't just rewrite over a last part of a book and call it 'fixed'

Again, imagine (or headcanon) an image of someone desperately whiting out the last few pages of a book and scribbling in their own explanation and tell me that isn't both insane or arrogant.

Like if I write up a new ending for Battlestar Galactica, which is a show that I found personally disappointing with it's ending. That's fine to sort of get my ideas out on paper or a word doc. But I wouldn't try and convince myself or others that this is how it really ended.

One flaw here, the devs have stated there is no canon ending. I'm not "forcing" myself to believe anything, but rather building upon what was left for me. Also, the notion that this thread is focing others to do the same is ridiculous. The OP even overtly states "something to think about."

I have better things to do with my time than force myself, let alone others to believe in something I have created. This is simply an alternative to the plethora of other creations that have come out of this less than stellar conclusion. 

You know they mean: There's no canon in terms of no choice in the game will be considered the correct one. Not, "there's no canon so... go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe regardless if it happened or not."

I mean I think of the DLC as and ending less of "this is how the story ended." and more of "This is the end to these characters and my experience." Mainly because it's the last thing I'll do in the game so it's a good taste to leave off on.

There is no canon ending, take that as you will. I know I did. 

[dversion]

jds1bio wrote...

I don't make decisions when I read a book, but I still have to conjure up neural impressions of images and vocal sounds. I'm sure they're never going to match the author's own impressions, but yet they help glue the story together for me in my imagination.

A consequence of getting to make some decisions in Mass Effect is that you are continuously testing your own neural impressions of those decisions against what happens in the game.

And i think that was the root of the strong disconnect of the ending. I remember having to tell someone why they were not in fact, as he put it, "practically write the game." (I believed he compromised with wrote 'half of it')

But it's also why you had people say "take it back" as if it was there's to begin with because the game excelled at specializing your experience and conforming around your choices it made you feel like you created your own experience when in fact it was the tireless work of writers, coders, and QA operators that made you feel that way.

[dversion]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dversion wrote...

Writing your own fanfiction is fine and creative. But forcing yourself to believe that what you wrote is somehow the way it actually happened is a fantasy of a fantasy. Also, 'headcanon' a word that has somehow become part of the lexicon of this community but really just means 'imagination' is fine if you're talking about "hey I wish this is what happened" but forcing yourself to believe that a fantasy world written by someone else was actually a fantasy world written by you is 1.sort of kind of insane. And 2. sort of kind of arrogant.

Writers borrow and even steal ideas from other writers, which is fine. However writers don't just rewrite over a last part of a book and call it 'fixed'

Again, imagine (or headcanon) an image of someone desperately whiting out the last few pages of a book and scribbling in their own explanation and tell me that isn't both insane or arrogant.

Like if I write up a new ending for Battlestar Galactica, which is a show that I found personally disappointing with it's ending. That's fine to sort of get my ideas out on paper or a word doc. But I wouldn't try and convince myself or others that this is how it really ended.

One flaw here, the devs have stated there is no canon ending. I'm not "forcing" myself to believe anything, but rather building upon what was left for me. Also, the notion that this thread is focing others to do the same is ridiculous. The OP even overtly states "something to think about."

I have better things to do with my time than force myself, let alone others to believe in something I have created. This is simply an alternative to the plethora of other creations that have come out of this less than stellar conclusion. 

You know they mean: There's no canon in terms of no choice in the game will be considered the correct one. Not, "there's no canon so... go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe regardless if it happened or not."

I mean I think of the DLC as and ending less of "this is how the story ended." and more of "This is the end to these characters and my experience." Mainly because it's the last thing I'll do in the game so it's a good taste to leave off on.

There is no canon ending, take that as you will. I know I did. 

You seem to have.

[Reptilian Rob]

Indeed I have.

Well, back to grading papers I guess...That's "sad" in a way as well.

[Reptilian Rob]

Relevant to the thread.

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[BioWareM0d13]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

What about the part where the Citadel exploded?

Close your eyes and imagine the "ONE YEAR LATER" text.

EDI is at the party however, and she definitely dies in Destroy.

If you are a Synthesizer, all the squadmates lack that green glowy nonsense as well.

If you chose Control or Synthesis, Shepard should be dead,

If you end the game with Low EMS, your two dead beam rush squadmates were at the party.

Additionally the final dialogue before the crew boards the Normandy is referencing the Reaper War and the impending invasion of Earth.

I've got nothing against people who headcanon this as being post-ending, but it does require ignoring quite a bit from the DLC.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 mars 2013 - 07:52 .

[FreakyDarling]

Excuse you, it is not a Garrus shaped love pillow.
It's a Garrus plushie. ;-p

On topic, this is a nifty idea. May have to try this on my next play through.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Cute idea, but too much work and it actually requires me to play the ending.

I'm just waiting for someone to figure out how to mod Citadel into a true post-ending. There might just be people talented and desperate enough for closure to try.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 09 mars 2013 - 08:25 .

[TheProtheans]

Very good, if this DLC ever goes on sale I will do this.
Bioware did say there is no canon ending and none of current line of characters can really appear in a Mass effect set far into the future.

dversion. quit being a sourpuss.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 09 mars 2013 - 08:39 .

[ChrisDV]

I agree, it takes place after the ending.

...But only because it's the "One more story" that was promised a year ago. The actual narrative takes place before Cronos Station.

[TheProtheans]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

What about the part where the Citadel exploded?

Close your eyes and imagine the "ONE YEAR LATER" text.

EDI is at the party however, and she definitely dies in Destroy.


Additionally the final dialogue before the crew boards the Normandy is referencing the Reaper War and the impending invasion of Earth.

I've got nothing against people who headcanon this as being post-ending, but it does require ignoring quite a bit from the DLC.

Not really.
EDI and the geth are easily recoverable and since their existence is optionable.
Nothing can disprove them being recovered in future games.

Just ignore that.
So really it is one thing you can ignore, not quite a bit.

[Reptilian Rob]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

What about the part where the Citadel exploded?

Close your eyes and imagine the "ONE YEAR LATER" text.

EDI is at the party however, and she definitely dies in Destroy.

If you are a Synthesizer, all the squadmates lack that green glowy nonsense as well.

If you chose Control or Synthesis, Shepard should be dead,

If you end the game with Low EMS, your two dead beam rush squadmates were at the party.

Additionally the final dialogue before the crew boards the Normandy is referencing the Reaper War and the impending invasion of Earth.

I've got nothing against people who headcanon this as being post-ending, but it does require ignoring quite a bit from the DLC.

This would strictly be for Destroyers only, with the best posible varient. 

As far as EDI is concered there is no reason that she didn't have back up drives in place for this kind of scenario. The way I intrpret it is that her body was destroyed but her neural map was preserved. 

[NoReapers]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Kamiloni wrote...

Mentioned here:
http://social.biowar...1860/1#16192275

Hah, Kudos! I'm glad I'm not the only one who interprets it this way!

Thanks.


I think it is not that uncommon to do this way of story-telling. Especially if the main protagonist dies at the end of the story. If you really like Mass Effect but don't want to modify anything (like me), then I think you should try this out. You need to be a bit flexible, but the prize!
:innocent:

[EnvyTB075]

You can't compare a book to a videogame which encourages the player to take part within the fictional world which takes into account various ideologies and beliefs...well, used to at least.

In a book its a tragedy, in a RPG its bad writing because the writers failed to account for differing main characters, which was their duty due to the existence of ME1 and ME2.