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Interesting hour long lecture by Ray Muzyka about the first 2 decades of Bioware's development. (Discusses feedback from the ME3 ending reaction, dealing with EA, and other topics)


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This isn't strictly Mass Effect related and Ray & Greg are no longer with the company, but for people who want a little bit of insight on the creation and evolution of our favorite game company this is a fascinating lecture if you have the time to listen. Ray posted it on his Twtter feed (March 6 2013)

Lots of internal company information that has never been shown before. Lots of charts and graphs, so it's not super exciting, but  if you are interested in entering the gaming industry it's also very enlightening.



Enjoy!

(discussion of the ME3 ending fan reaction starts around 44:30)

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good find

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He seems like a really kind, bright guy. I'm hoping that the culture of quality and artistry that he and Greg established in the formative years will continue on in the future for anyone lucky enough to work for Bioware.

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This is really interesting, thanks.

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This is a great video. Listening to him i really hope Bioware continues with the same spirit even with the absence of the Doctors.

His ME3 Ending reaction was interesting, although i think he was mistaken about the upset fans being in the minority. Saying that I have no way of knowing for sure so maybe I'm wrong there.

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Skipped to the part of the talk about the ending. Pretty much everything he said was BS, but what else could he have said?

Said critical response was in the minority (yeah, right), and that this minority was what prompted the extended cut. If it really was such a minority, I don't think any action would have been taken at all. The bashing was widespread - or at least it seemed so, but I'm willing to believe that it was overplayed - and deservedly so.

The interesting thing he mentioned (again, might be more BS) was that the entire ME3 team all really enjoyed the ending. So clearly those involved in the creative process saw things differently, which I get. But it just doesn't make sense to me that every single person sat back and said "yes, this is good". A little internal disagreement goes a long way.

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ZombifiedJake wrote...

Skipped to the part of the talk about the ending. Pretty much everything he said was BS, but what else could he have said?

Said critical response was in the minority (yeah, right), and that this minority was what prompted the extended cut. If it really was such a minority, I don't think any action would have been taken at all. The bashing was widespread - or at least it seemed so, but I'm willing to believe that it was overplayed - and deservedly so.

The interesting thing he mentioned (again, might be more BS) was that the entire ME3 team all really enjoyed the ending. So clearly those involved in the creative process saw things differently, which I get. But it just doesn't make sense to me that every single person sat back and said "yes, this is good". A little internal disagreement goes a long way.


I agree with you, though I doubt many others on these forums would.

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Gamer790 wrote...

ZombifiedJake wrote...

Skipped to the part of the talk about the ending. Pretty much everything he said was BS, but what else could he have said?

Said critical response was in the minority (yeah, right), and that this minority was what prompted the extended cut. If it really was such a minority, I don't think any action would have been taken at all. The bashing was widespread - or at least it seemed so, but I'm willing to believe that it was overplayed - and deservedly so.

The interesting thing he mentioned (again, might be more BS) was that the entire ME3 team all really enjoyed the ending. So clearly those involved in the creative process saw things differently, which I get. But it just doesn't make sense to me that every single person sat back and said "yes, this is good". A little internal disagreement goes a long way.


I agree with you, though I doubt many others on these forums would.


I think quite the opposite...my perception is that most people on these forums would agree (or rather did agree) with the statements made above.

It's only been in the last month or so that I've seen the BSN become less antagonistic and accusatory in it's tone.

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mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gamer790 wrote...

ZombifiedJake wrote...

Skipped to the part of the talk about the ending. Pretty much everything he said was BS, but what else could he have said?

Said critical response was in the minority (yeah, right), and that this minority was what prompted the extended cut. If it really was such a minority, I don't think any action would have been taken at all. The bashing was widespread - or at least it seemed so, but I'm willing to believe that it was overplayed - and deservedly so.

The interesting thing he mentioned (again, might be more BS) was that the entire ME3 team all really enjoyed the ending. So clearly those involved in the creative process saw things differently, which I get. But it just doesn't make sense to me that every single person sat back and said "yes, this is good". A little internal disagreement goes a long way.


I agree with you, though I doubt many others on these forums would.


I think quite the opposite...my perception is that most people on these forums would agree (or rather did agree) with the statements made above.

It's only been in the last month or so that I've seen the BSN become less antagonistic and accusatory in it's tone.


Perhaps I was wrong in my initial post, but I still don't believe that most would agree either.  It would probably be a mostly even divide between those who agree and those who disagree.  As for BSN being accusatory well Bioware lied to us so yes I would say the outrage was justified.  Also thanks for providing the link.

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Gamer790 wrote...

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Gamer790 wrote...

ZombifiedJake wrote...

Skipped to the part of the talk about the ending. Pretty much everything he said was BS, but what else could he have said?

Said critical response was in the minority (yeah, right), and that this minority was what prompted the extended cut. If it really was such a minority, I don't think any action would have been taken at all. The bashing was widespread - or at least it seemed so, but I'm willing to believe that it was overplayed - and deservedly so.

The interesting thing he mentioned (again, might be more BS) was that the entire ME3 team all really enjoyed the ending. So clearly those involved in the creative process saw things differently, which I get. But it just doesn't make sense to me that every single person sat back and said "yes, this is good". A little internal disagreement goes a long way.


I agree with you, though I doubt many others on these forums would.


I think quite the opposite...my perception is that most people on these forums would agree (or rather did agree) with the statements made above.

It's only been in the last month or so that I've seen the BSN become less antagonistic and accusatory in it's tone.


Perhaps I was wrong in my initial post, but I still don't believe that most would agree either.  It would probably be a mostly even divide between those who agree and those who disagree.  As for BSN being accusatory well Bioware lied to us so yes I would say the outrage was justified.  Also thanks for providing the link.


No worries.People will have differing opinions.

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It does seem odd that he says the entire team agreed with the endings. There are a lot of people who were involved with the development, but not one single person brought up that the endings would cause issues with the fans? Or for that matter failed to point out the irony in the story: Synthetics wiping out organics to keep them from creating synthetics that could wipe out their organic creators...o.0

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He's a good speaker.

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Legbiter wrote...

He's a good speaker.


He is a good everything.The industry is lesser without him/them.

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Sorry but BS. Doesn't matter where you go online. Mention ME3 and the pure hate revolving around the endings shows up real quick.

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CrimsonNephilim wrote...

It does seem odd that he says the entire team agreed with the endings. There are a lot of people who were involved with the development, but not one single person brought up that the endings would cause issues with the fans? Or for that matter failed to point out the irony in the story: Synthetics wiping out organics to keep them from creating synthetics that could wipe out their organic creators...o.0


Yeah i can't see how that could possibly be the case unless the culture inclined people not to  raise their doubts. I assume it is more of a case of collective responsibility kicking in after the storm hit.

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So that's interesting. Ray plays all the games Bioware creates to completion to ensure quality. So he played the original ending and thought it was good enough.

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Obadiah wrote...

So that's interesting. Ray plays all the games Bioware creates to completion to ensure quality. So he played the original ending and thought it was good enough.


He called Dragon Age 2 "awesome".

I know a lot of people here love the "Dr's".  But honestly Ray just makes himself (and by extention the current Bioware) out to be a joke.

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Ensure quality? We must have a different opinion of the word. Does he not see the disappearing people or weapons? Did he not see the Rannoch rock scene?

If my name were attached to this game I would be some what embarrassed. If ME3 were a school project it would not get an "A" for quality. A teacher would rip it apart for the ridiculous glitches.

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No point in turning this into a complaint thread. I just think its interesting getting the dev's perspective. Wish there was more of it on these forums.

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Asch Lavigne wrote...

Ensure quality? We must have a different opinion of the word. Does he not see the disappearing people or weapons? Did he not see the Rannoch rock scene?

If my name were attached to this game I would be some what embarrassed. If ME3 were a school project it would not get an "A" for quality. A teacher would rip it apart for the ridiculous glitches.

Please provide a link to a school project that approaches ME3's level of scope, complexity and polish. 

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SwitchN7 wrote...

He is a good everything.The industry is lesser without him/them.


Agreed. The docs were always solid.

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Xellith wrote...

I know a lot of people here love the "Dr's".  But honestly Ray just makes himself (and by extention the current Bioware) out to be a joke.


That's a cross he'll have to bear, being thought of as a joke by you.

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mcgreggers99 wrote...

No worries.People will have differing opinions.


True enough.

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A bit arrogance on BioWare's part with regards to the ending. How no one stood up and said something about is baffling. Pre-EC it was disgustingly bad. I do not believe what he said about EA and Mass Effect. He still speaks like an EA employee, it's obvious EA have a part in what goes into Mass Effect and what does not. Even Greg mentioned they have a tight grip on BioWare.

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Here is the link to the start of Ray's response to Mass Effect 3 in the video:


In summary, the devs thought the negative feedback was from minority of fans, they took feedback seriously, and tried to address it with EC.

Modifié par Obadiah, 09 mars 2013 - 08:08 .