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[Gamer790]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

A bit arrogance on BioWare's part with regards to the ending. How no one stood up and said something about is baffling. Pre-EC it was disgustingly bad. I do not believe what he said about EA and Mass Effect. He still speaks like an EA employee, it's obvious EA have a part in what goes into Mass Effect and what does not. Even Greg mentioned they have a tight grip on BioWare.

Honestly, I still have a hard time believing that absolutely no one on the team disliked the ending or at least disagreed with it.  Major publishers and developers always strive to appear calm and controlled on the exterior and I wouldn't put embellishing or obscuring the real, possibly uglier, truth past them.

[MECavScout01]

Gamer790 wrote...

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

A bit arrogance on BioWare's part with regards to the ending. How no one stood up and said something about is baffling. Pre-EC it was disgustingly bad. I do not believe what he said about EA and Mass Effect. He still speaks like an EA employee, it's obvious EA have a part in what goes into Mass Effect and what does not. Even Greg mentioned they have a tight grip on BioWare.

Honestly, I still have a hard time believing that absolutely no one on the team disliked the ending or at least disagreed with it.  Major publishers and developers always strive to appear calm and controlled on the exterior and I wouldn't put embellishing or obscuring the real, possibly uglier, truth past them.

Patrick Weekes is a prime example. He made that post on his Penny Arcade account about a year ago. It was meant for his close friends, but his fans of course spread the news about it.

If anything, it made me respect the man even more. We know there are people at BW who aren't happy with the way everything turned out. BW can deny all they want. Any company would.

I'm a Platoon Leader in the Army. If I say something my Platoon Sergeant doesn't like, he'll talk to me behind closed doors, but he'll support me 100% in front of the Soldiers. But he's going to set me straight and let me know that I'm telling bull**** when he has too.

Modifié par MECavScout01, 09 mars 2013 - 09:16 .

[SlottsMachine]

Obadiah wrote...

No point in turning this into a complaint thread. I just think its interesting getting the dev's perspective. Wish there was more of it on these forums.

[Heavensrun]

Kelwing wrote...

Sorry but BS. Doesn't matter where you go online. Mention ME3 and the pure hate revolving around the endings shows up real quick.

In fairness, that doesn't mean anything he said is untrue, all that means it that unhappy people go on the internet to ****.

It seems foreign to those of us that give a crap what happens in these games, but honestly, the vast majority of people that play these games probably never beat them, and if they do, they usually don't really -care- what happens.  They beat it, that's a trophy to hang on their mental wall, and they just move on.  Or they focused everything on the multiplayer in the first place.  Of the people that -do- care, you probably have mostly people who were unhappy, and some people who are content, and some people who enjoyed it.  Now, the unhappy people could be 49% of the gamers that played it, even despite all that, and still be a minority.  "Minority" does not mean "insignificant group" as some seem to think it does.  It just means "less than the group of everybody else."  A minority can still be a considerable number of people, and it can still be a group worth trying to appease.

Looking at the prevalant (vocal) opinion on the internet isn't reliable for gaguing how many people are upset anyway.  As I said, it's not likely to be an unbiased sample, especially given that the content and don't-cares aren't likely to say anything at all.  Fact is, the man probably has more controlled surveys than any of us do.  Also, he's left the company.  He doesn't benefit any longer from sticking to a PR line at this point, anyway.

[Nykara]

Kelwing wrote...

Sorry but BS. Doesn't matter where you go online. Mention ME3 and the pure hate revolving around the endings shows up real quick.

I've noticed that too. And I agree. The ending sucked but looks like we are stuck with it now. I am trying real hard right now not to hate the entire series just because of a bad ending but it is difficult! It does seem to make the rest of the effort pretty pointless but I love Shep and the characters so I am trying to enjoy the rest again.

[FlamingBoy]

very interesting, I am finally getting a more clear picture of biowares mentality of the me3 reaction.

and why they buggered it so badly

[SwitchN7]

Nykara wrote...

Kelwing wrote...

Sorry but BS. Doesn't matter where you go online. Mention ME3 and the pure hate revolving around the endings shows up real quick.

I've noticed that too. And I agree. The ending sucked but looks like we are stuck with it now. I am trying real hard right now not to hate the entire series just because of a bad ending but it is difficult! It does seem to make the rest of the effort pretty pointless but I love Shep and the characters so I am trying to enjoy the rest again.

My fellow man.Do yourself(s?) a favor and embrace this lovely put together documetary and the theory and just use logic calmly to interpret your own bittersweet ending(s) and you will re-redbull that love you have for this Universe.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par SwitchN7, 10 mars 2013 - 08:52 .

[Hexley UK]

Interesting lecture....alot of PR BS when it comes to ME3 though, funny how he visibly (and audibly) becomes more nervous when talking about the ME3 ending....he was being very careful about what he said.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 10 mars 2013 - 10:42 .

[Walsh1980]

I know they probably have to say this stuff for image reasons, but I hate when they use the word "minority" as it's the "minority" who really care. The "majority" who apparently didn't mind the ending are mostly people who don't bother even discussing or thinking about games once they've shut them off, or even finish the games they play for that matter.

I hope it really is just pr speak and that they've taken what's happened with Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 to heart. I think the Citadel DLC is a good indication that they have, I'm not saying I need a party or casino in DA3, but the attention to character, banter, and variable outcomes (or at least the illusion of variable outcomes) would be welcome.

The video was great otherwise.

Modifié par Walsh1980, 10 mars 2013 - 11:45 .

[Ridwan]

Cliff notes anyone? Or is it the usual pr stuff where one toots his own horn?

Modifié par M25105, 10 mars 2013 - 11:57 .

[Zenyattaa]

He's giving political answers to the question of ME3's ending. He doesn't want to directly acknowledge that he and his team were wrong, while at the same time he's trying not to alienate the fans completely by saying it was a vocal minority(Read downplaying).

Maybe he doesn't want to hurt the company he helped build, by speaking ill of its choices.
Maybe as I've always suspected an unrealistic deadline forced the travesty of an ending on us.

I honestly don't know, but what I -do- know is, every friend, every video game store worker and every one else I've talked to about the ending agrees, EC or not its a HORRIBLE way to end a trilogy. More than that, there was no feeling of closure, no...accomplishment just a bitter nihilistic ending that brought back shades of KOTOR:2.

Shepard living or dying isn't even relevant to the ending. Shepard said it best, there isn't a single N7 that hasn't sacrificed themselves or their men at some point. So for me, Shepard dying is...acceptable. Not seeing the result of that sacrifice in terms that would provide closure to all the open stories up till that point, unacceptable.

Its something I wish the good Doctor would've addressed in an open and honest manner...not in political talk.

[spirosz]

Taking feedback seriously based of minority?

Interesting.

[Elorin Silverblade]

would be interesting to know how big the minority was compared to the majority.

[MECavScout01]

Hexley UK wrote...
Interesting lecture....alot of PR BS when it comes to ME3 though, funny how he visibly (and audibly) becomes more nervous when talking about the ME3 ending....he was being very careful about what he said.

You can see that he was being nervous and twitchy throughout the whole presentation. My guess is that he just isn't one for public speaking. He could've been nervous about ME3, but as I said, talking in front of large groups of people, specifically people who are recording what you're saying and putting it on the internet, is not his forte.

[MECavScout01]

Elorin Silverblade wrote...

would be interesting to know how big the minority was compared to the majority.

I look at it this way: As far as the sales number goes for ME3, anti-enders are in the minority. The vast minority.

However: 

As far as people who are invested in the series (aka the core fans, the people who do mutiple playthroughs, the people who buy the DLC, and even the people who finish the game) Anti-enders are in the vast majority.

[dreamgazer]

MECavScout01 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...
Interesting lecture....alot of PR BS when it comes to ME3 though, funny how he visibly (and audibly) becomes more nervous when talking about the ME3 ending....he was being very careful about what he said.

You can see that he was being nervous and twitchy throughout the whole presentation. My guess is that he just isn't one for public speaking. He could've been nervous about ME3, but as I said, talking in front of large groups of people, specifically people who are recording what you're saying and putting it on the internet, is not his forte.

ME3 brought irrationality out of a lot of people, some of it continuing a year later. It doesn't surprise me that he'd be nervous discussing it.

[Xellith]

You can buy DLC and still hate the ending.  Other than that, sales figures of ME3 do not in any way corrolate with how many people love/hate the ending.

Since people who hate/love the ending wouldnt know if they hated/loved the ending until after purchase.  Sales figures for ME3 and its DLC are not a valid datapoints.  Returned sales are an indicator of dissatisfaction, however not everyone who was displeased with ME3s ending returned the game to the store for one reason or another.

Modifié par Xellith, 10 mars 2013 - 03:34 .

[Chrissycole64]

It's conferences like this that make you realise how much work goes into sustaining a company as well as making enjoyable, deeply engrosing and most important of all, successful games. People that attacked Bioware last year, who demonised the company and its staff should be ashamed of themselves. The amount of work it takes to do what Ray is talking about, let alone give the speech in the first place, is mind blowing. A great man, a great worker who, in my opinion, has gone on to pursue other things in life because, in essence, the demographic he was working to please rejected him.

[MECavScout01]

dreamgazer wrote...
ME3 brought irrationality out of a lot of people, some of it continuing a year later. It doesn't surprise me that he'd be nervous discussing it.

Oh I know that. You could consider me *one* of those people. I loved Citadel, but it's also made me hate the ending that much more.

Here's a good read about why, even a year later (I know it's dated in August) people are still passionate about this issue: http://awtr.wikidot....s-is-not-a-pipe

I'm still passionate because I put in hundreds of hours of my time and enormous emotional investment into crafting my story for Shepard(s), only to have control wrestled from my hands at the very end. I wasn't able to get any emotional payout at all, so that Casey and SuperMac could tell me why it was impossible for Organics and Synthetics to coexist, making the Reapers necessary for 'peace', unless I jumped into the green beam of death.

[ZombifiedJake]

Yeah the minority claim is misleading because they're including the bulk of people who start the game and don't finish it all (not sure what the stats are on that, but it's surprising for story driven games like this).

Pretty much every single fan reaction I read or heard about was negative. I'm kind of impressed by how bad it was. I didn't hear a single good thing; the closest to a positive reaction I saw were the few delusional diehards saying it "wasn't as bad as people were saying".

[wright1978]

MECavScout01 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
ME3 brought irrationality out of a lot of people, some of it continuing a year later. It doesn't surprise me that he'd be nervous discussing it.

Oh I know that. You could consider me *one* of those people. I loved Citadel, but it's also made me hate the ending that much more.

Here's a good read about why, even a year later (I know it's dated in August) people are still passionate about this issue: http://awtr.wikidot.com/long:this-is-not-a-pipe

I'm still passionate because I put in hundreds of hours of my time and enormous emotional investment into crafting my story for Shepard(s), only to have control wrestled from my hands at the very end. I wasn't able to get any emotional payout at all, so that Casey and SuperMac could tell me why it was impossible for Organics and Synthetics to coexist, making the Reapers necessary for 'peace', unless I jumped into the green beam of death.

Very interesting read.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

And then he left. lol.

[dsl08002]

my respect for Ray is boundless. truly and no doubt about that..

But in the lecture when he say that he thinks that it was a minority of fans who disliked the ending. without hesitation i went (sigh). sorry but i couldnt stop myself.

When he said that they send out polls and surveys about the feedback i still wondered where did they send them.

It certainly wern´t on BSN, Facebook or twitter. and even If why hasn´t anyone heard about that or passed the information on.

the thing is a survey that had no connection to bioware was conducted in germany to all around the world. that survey wasn´t displayed on BSN only it was several other places.

That survey showed that a majority hated the endings and wanted a new one.

[Armass81]

I dont think you can ever get a straight answer for this in public since BW naturally has to guard their image. Now if someone told privately, that would be a different thing, but of course for the sake of the company and their job they would try to deny it later. Thus the thing Weekes wrote in penny arcade is likely the only time we get anything close regarding the truth in this matter...

Modifié par Armass81, 10 mars 2013 - 10:02 .