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[Mr. Gogeta34]

"A minority which happens to be nearly everyone with some kind of internet account. Interesting 'minority'. "

ftw, but in any case, what's done is done. Unfortunately we'll never really know what Ray and the team actually think about ME3's ending because Bioware's image and reputation are almost certainly contractually obstructive to an honest assessment.

Fortunately, mere fans can vent all they want^^. So I hope one of us say what they may want to say if they weren't bound to keep company image in mind.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

On topic, awesome legacy and I must say I am proud of what Bioware has done over the years. Hopefully this isn't the beginning of the end for them and their future only gets better from here.

[Wolfva2]

If 49% of people hated the ending, and 51% liked it, the haters would still be in the minority.

Personally, I'm getting tired of people thinking that LOUD means MAJORITY. Just because a group of people rant, rave, scream and rage doesn't mean they're the largest group. Just look at the so called 'Occupy' folks who claimed to speak for 99% of humanity. The bottom line is, people generally only protest when they feel strongly motivated to do so. Hate and anger are strong motivators. Like, on the other hand, is not. When you like something, you usually tell a few friends, maybe tweet it, then move on with your life. "Man! That was a GREAT burger! I really liked it! Hey, wanna take in a movie?" On the other hand..."MAN! That burger SUCKED!!! I'm going to complain to the manager!!!" (2 days later) "I can't believe that burger sucked so bad I can STILL taste it! I'm gonna blog about it!" (2 years later) "Dude, remember when I had that really crappy burger! Think I'm gonna fire off some more hate mail!"

People who are angry are motivated to kvetch. People who are happy aren't interested in all the drama, so move on with their lives. Angry people want to fight. Happy people want to keep being happy. And THAT is why a minority of gamers who think X sucks (and X can be ANYTHING, or AnY game. Not just ME ending) will always think that THEY speak for the minority. The reality is...you only speak for YOUR SELF.

What? What was that? Why yes! Yes, people thinking that their opinion is the ONLY valid opinion in the universe and who rage for years over a game DO annoy me greatly! Why do you think I felt motivated to write this long, boring, stupid post? If it WASN'T something I disliked strongly, I'd've just shrugged and gone on reading something else. Duh.

[mcgreggers99]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Peeks into thread, reads so many douché type responses from ME3 ending haters bashing on Ray for one small segment of his very long video without saying anything positive towards one of the men who created the studio which in turn created vast amount of games over years most of you loved and enjoyed in their whining rants. Further showing they are just a bunch of miserable sods, show some respect for the guy who made possible all those great games you loved through the years since without him and Greg forming the studio, hiring the talent to create them there would not have been any of those games on top of the fact his video covered vastly more than the one thing your whining about.

**Slow clap***

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Wolfva2 wrote...

If 49% of people hated the ending, and 51% liked it, the haters would still be in the minority.

Personally, I'm getting tired of people thinking that LOUD means MAJORITY.

And vice versa.  I'm equally tired of seeing people claim minority when practically all published evidence points to the contrary.

In any case, none of this replaces past accomplishments or future achievements.  Let's hope Bioware does better, regardless of how you feel the ending to ME3 was.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 15 mars 2013 - 10:16 .

[Fenrir__]

I don't hate the ending I think I am somewhere in the middle. I am more irritated that I got Ending A, B and C after everything I did. I didn't get my own ending, I couldn't save everyone the way I wanted to. I felt Ray addressed the situation well and I felt that in the video the negativity and the backlash probably woke him up from buying the whole we are ending this Artisticly crap he got from his leads.

It probably made him look at the Ending for what it was a way to close out the story very open ended or a way to close out the story with finality. The backlash made EA and Bioware look at what they produced and put and and realize how the hell are we gonna continue from this.

The compromise was more internal than anything else I believe. IMO Ray made them leave more room for a happier ending as well as EA in the EC, the reason why Mac and Casey are not making the next game ME 4 because it won't be a sequel because I think EA has realized how much of a money maker this franchise is and could be and we won't see a true sequel until after the Mass Effect Films come out and we have a canonized ending and they can really find out what the Market Value is of Shepard. If people love the character in film format you can bet your ass he will be back in ME 4 in someway shape or form.

[Rendy H]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Personally, I'm getting tired of people thinking that LOUD means MAJORITY. Just because a group of people rant, rave, scream and rage doesn't mean they're the largest group.

The ''vocal minority'' (as Bioware spokesperson said it)  ensured that EA got the ''Worst company in America award'' and EA totally deserved it.

I don't remember any game that made me so mad about the ending. In fact ME3 is the first game.

Modifié par Rendy H, 16 mars 2013 - 11:37 .

[voteDC]

The puzzle to me is why people think only those who enjoyed the ending didn't come online to comment about it?

Anyway thanks for posting the video. It's always interesting to watch people talk about the things they are passionate about.

[Morty Smith]

With all that information, it makes me question how long it might take for BW to eventually collapse under the "need" to grow bigger. The foundament isn´t their anymore. Let´s hope for the best, but temper the expectations.

[kww75]

A good video, doesn't really tell any business leader anything really new. The video does give a more humane perspective on the founder. And I can see a lot of his personality (that's present in the video) in the games that he help produced.

I did find the Q&A sesson a bit annoying because there were a lot of questions that have been already been answered. Every other question was trying to fish for conflict between him and EA, which made me question the intelligence level of those asking the question or were they all budding journalist looking for a story?!?! Him even hinting at conflict with a former employer is professional suicide.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rendy H wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Personally, I'm getting tired of people thinking that LOUD means MAJORITY. Just because a group of people rant, rave, scream and rage doesn't mean they're the largest group.

The ''vocal minority'' (as Bioware spokesperson said it)  ensured that EA got the ''Worst company in America award'' and EA totally deserved it.

I don't remember any game that made me so mad about the ending. In fact ME3 is the first game.

No they didn't, anyone who thinks they did is a ****** poor excuse for a human being.

Keyword there, "Game". An optional entertainment hobby. Compared to others within that poll they did not even come close to deserving it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 mars 2013 - 02:21 .

[Grinchy]

Rendy H wrote...

The ''vocal minority'' (as Bioware spokesperson said it)  ensured that EA got the ''Worst company in America award'' and EA totally deserved it.

I don't remember any game that made me so mad about the ending. In fact ME3 is the first game.

Bioware has never said that.
But parroting without even checking source/data is easy.

See also:
"artistic integrity"
"16 different endings"
"Chinese whispers"

[Hexley UK]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rendy H wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Personally, I'm getting tired of people thinking that LOUD means MAJORITY. Just because a group of people rant, rave, scream and rage doesn't mean they're the largest group.

The ''vocal minority'' (as Bioware spokesperson said it)  ensured that EA got the ''Worst company in America award'' and EA totally deserved it.

I don't remember any game that made me so mad about the ending. In fact ME3 is the first game.

No they didn't, anyone who thinks they did is a ****** poor excuse for a human being.

Keyword there, "Game". An optional entertainment hobby. Compared to others within that poll they did not even come close to deserving it.

How insulting.

[Omega Torsk]

This was really all that I had to say after skipping to 44:31...

When will it end, Bioware?

[The Fighting Monk]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Peeks into thread, reads so many douché type responses from ME3 ending haters bashing on Ray for one small segment of his very long video without saying anything positive towards one of the men who created the studio which in turn created vast amount of games over years most of you loved and enjoyed in their whining rants. Further showing they are just a bunch of miserable sods, show some respect for the guy who made possible all those great games you loved through the years since without him and Greg forming the studio, hiring the talent to create them there would not have been any of those games on top of the fact his video covered vastly more than the one thing your whining about.

You have to remember that we have already shown our appreciation to him and his studios by buying their products. It's not like he did this work pro bono and I'm sure that he's been paid very well for his efforts.
You're right though, he talks about other topics in the video like "honesty" and "integrity"  and I'm not so sure that Bioware/EA has lived up to those ideals lately...
But as far as the ending goes, maybe he does really think the original ending was indeed great and that's a little scary. Personally, I'm just "ok" with the EC but I get tired of the "minority" being alluded to as a few malcontents who couldn't wrap their head around the big picture.

Modifié par The Fighting Monk, 16 mars 2013 - 09:21 .

[Z-Dragon]

Rendy H wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Personally, I'm getting tired of people thinking that LOUD means MAJORITY. Just because a group of people rant, rave, scream and rage doesn't mean they're the largest group.

The ''vocal minority'' (as Bioware spokesperson said it)  ensured that EA got the ''Worst company in America award'' and EA totally deserved it.

I don't remember any game that made me so mad about the ending. In fact ME3 is the first game.

Yup, totally, EA definately deserves the worst company in america award, I mean, who cares that they are close to being the only game company attempting to speak up about equal representation of same sex relationships in video games, or that one of the competitors was trying to create a service cost for allowing you the privelage of spending your own money.

But hey, you hated the ending, totally outwieghs everything else, right.

[Dragoonlordz]

The Fighting Monk wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Peeks into thread, reads so many douché type responses from ME3 ending haters bashing on Ray for one small segment of his very long video without saying anything positive towards one of the men who created the studio which in turn created vast amount of games over years most of you loved and enjoyed in their whining rants. Further showing they are just a bunch of miserable sods, show some respect for the guy who made possible all those great games you loved through the years since without him and Greg forming the studio, hiring the talent to create them there would not have been any of those games on top of the fact his video covered vastly more than the one thing your whining about.

You have to remember that we have already shown our appreciation to him and his studios by buying their products. It's not like he did this work pro bono and I'm sure that he's been paid very well for his efforts.
But maybe he does really think the original ending was indeed great and that's a little scary. Personally, I'm ok with the EC but I get tired of the "minority" being alluded to as a few malcontents who couldn't wrap their head around the big picture.

Why does it even matter if you or someone else is called majority or minority, vocal or otherwise?

Or when people like me say noone can say with 100% certainty that it is one or the other (though I mostly actually say or advocate only speaking for ones self anyways...aka what do I want or not want, what I do like or dislike instead of what do I + fictional, assumed or metaphorical amount 'supposedly' agree with what I am about to say want).

ME3 is finished, the final DLC for it has been released and there will be no more to come until the next ME title comes out. I don't see why anyone would still have a stick up their bum about that at this stage as it simply seems bit redundant and pointless. Just let it go, it's not worth crying over at this time now that ME3+DLC's have ended.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 mars 2013 - 12:28 .