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[Dr. Megaverse]

 Simple for me, the breathe scene. 

Victory for me means dead reapers and Shepard alive.  

That's just my opinion. 

[Dr_Extrem]

Reapling wrote...

... snipped the epic quote pyramid ...

To everyone else, maybe... but he wasn't given much choice, was he? It's either one of the three, or refusal which is kinda... yeah, umm no.

in fact, the writers gave me no other choice.

the catalyst is only a badly written piece of garbage. i will NOT assume, that the writers had a certain intent - but if you write stuff like this, you have to be aware of the effects, it could have on other cultures, historical backgrounds and interpretations.

i am a radio operator and we have a saying: think, push, speak.  ...

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 08 mars 2013 - 06:47 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Because they're robots, they're not people. :/

People would be less pissed about this ending if achieving quarian/geth peace was WAY harder to do and 90% of players were FORCED to make a hard decision on rannoch.  either stop the crazy robots or watch the quarians get wiped out by their own hubris.  both of THOSE endings to rannoch support the themes the ending was trying to address.  allowing shepard to just fix it by yelling loud enough was silly and corny.  it undermined the entire 300 year war.

The concept of legion selling out the quarians to help his own race should have been a pivotal moment of the experience.


extended cut lessens the synthetic effect of destroy anyways. you not only get still functional ships and relays, and quarians' suits. shepard and the normandy survive too. "maybe the geth kitties didnt die afterall"

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 08 mars 2013 - 06:48 .

[Reapling]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Reapling wrote...

... snipped the epic quote pyramid ...

To everyone else, maybe... but he wasn't given much choice, was he? It's either one of the three, or refusal which is kinda... yeah, umm no.

in fact, the writers gave me no other choice.

the catalyst is only a badly written piece of garbage. i will NOT assume, that the writers had a certain intent - but if you write stuff like this, you have to be aware of the effects, it could have on other cultures, historical backgrounds and interpretations.

In the end, I'm sure that EA is to blame. Evidence that this game was rushed out is the photo portrait that talimancers got... Thank God we have MEHEM 

[CronoDragoon]

Reapling wrote...
In the end, I'm sure that EA is to blame. Evidence that this game was rushed out is the photo portrait that talimancers got... Thank God we have MEHEM 

As much as I love dogpiling on EA, they aren't responsible for the ending. If it was a matter of time limitations, BioWare would have just given a short, generic Hollywood ending like ME1. This was what (some) of the writers wanted.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 08 mars 2013 - 06:50 .

[Dr_Extrem]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reapling wrote...
In the end, I'm sure that EA is to blame. Evidence that this game was rushed out is the photo portrait that talimancers got... Thank God we have MEHEM 

As much as I love dogpiling on EA, they aren't responsible for the ending. If it was a matter of time limitations, BioWare would have just given a short, generic Hollywood ending like ME1. This was what (some) of the writers wanted.

yeah .. sometimes, cheesy holliwood endings are the better choice .. especially, f the rest of the game/story already contains enough cheese, to feed france, germany, switzerland and the netherlands for one year.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 08 mars 2013 - 06:53 .

[Reapling]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reapling wrote...
In the end, I'm sure that EA is to blame. Evidence that this game was rushed out is the photo portrait that talimancers got... Thank God we have MEHEM 

As much as I love dogpiling on EA, they aren't responsible for the ending. If it was a matter of time limitations, BioWare would have just given a short, generic Hollywood ending like ME1. This was what (some) of the writers wanted.

Maybe, but pre-EC was so terrible that I think it was due to time constraints. We can't really do anything anymore unfortunately... so here's hoping that the next title will improve.

[Urdnot Amenark]

Synthetics can be replaced with new tech. In my destroy playthrough, - I have other playthroughs - my Shep decided that becoming a Reaper God wasn't exactly his cup of tea, and neither was forcibly altering the genetic structure of billions of lives in the name of "galactic peace". With the Reapers destroyed, their remains would allow for tremendous leaps in technological advancement that probably would more than compensate for the loss of advanced synthetics like the Geth and EDI.

[Kaorunandrak]

Simple they are manufactured "life forms" they weren't born they were built plain and simple, teach a toaster to add and subtract it's just an impressive toaster. That toaster decided to shoot lasers at my face it's scrap metal, my families lives depend on it's destruction STOP hammer time.

Your making things more difficult then it has to be no matter how self aware they become, how life like they become they are still made and manufactured. They don't procreate they BUILD more of them selves, they don't have a life cycle, via building new body and uploading themselves to it they could "live" forever. That isn't life that's upgrading your computer it never lived and it can't die, deystroy is not the same thing as dying.

I didn't kill the reapers I destroyed a bunch of laser shooting toasters that have wifi access and emit white noise, nothing more nothing less. And edi as cool as she is is a toaster with ******.

[Massa FX]

Huge props to those that go with Synthesis, Control or Refuse. All three offer absolution to Shepard. S/he can die in clear conscious (you may think). Destroy is the difficult choice. The harder road. The bitter pill to swallow. The path to anguished second guesses.

But, it's been the goal from day one.

I don't know how I could let the Catalyst AI convince me to change my goal in 5 minutes after 3 years of firm belief. I'm not that impulsive. He made his argument. He wasn't convincing.  Despite the cost, regardless of consequence, Shepard goes with her gut. She goes with her directive. She shuts down the Reapers in ultimate finality to save everyones future. A future without adding trillions more of needless death.

The consequences are tough. Death of an entire race and death of a dear friend. Not easy. But, the right thing to do.

As some have said in this thread.... I didn't hesitate. I'd sacrifice everything to put down those monsters. If EDI and Legion were staring directly at me pleading, I'd still shoot the red tube. Hard to do. But still the right thing.

It was the same with the Collector base. I didn't hesitate. Destroyed it. Because the high potential harm outweighed the possible good.

I'm not a bad person... just someone that believes in her convictions and gut. Just like Shepard.

[Xerxes52]

While none of the options are good, if Bioware swapped out synthetics with humans as the secondary targets of Destroy (thusly guaranteeing Shepard's demise), I would still choose it.

It's the least of three evils imo. Otherwise I'd pick MEHEM if I played ME3 on my PC.

[Pakundo]

Sacrificing everything you hold dear to end the greatest threat you've ever known is crossing the line between being a non-compromising person, or a plain ruthless person.

Find a better way.

[CronoDragoon]

Re: the poll: Chose C. Obviously given the choice I think the vast majority of Destroyers would choose to Destroy the Reapers and save the geth/EDI.

[Reapling]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

I didn't kill the reapers I destroyed a bunch of laser shooting toasters that have wifi access and emit white noise, nothing more nothing less. And edi as cool as she is is a toaster with ******.

You sir, are awesome.

[Ticonderoga117]

Victory means that the Reapers no longer exist. Sadly, that means that I must also sledgehammer innocents to death because of REASONS, that aren't fully clear. However, giving the galaxy the first chance to evolve freely is enough to justify the abhorrent cost.

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Re: the poll: Chose C. Obviously given the choice I think the vast majority of Destroyers would choose to Destroy the Reapers and save the geth/EDI.

Stared at poll and wondered who wouldn't choose C out of B & C.

[Pakundo]

wright1978 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Re: the poll: Chose C. Obviously given the choice I think the vast majority of Destroyers would choose to Destroy the Reapers and save the geth/EDI.

Stared at poll and wondered who wouldn't choose C out of B & C.

Apparently, over a third.

[The Elite Elite]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Simple they are manufactured "life forms" they weren't born they were built plain and simple, teach a toaster to add and subtract it's just an impressive toaster. That toaster decided to shoot lasers at my face it's scrap metal, my families lives depend on it's destruction STOP hammer time.

Your making things more difficult then it has to be no matter how self aware they become, how life like they become they are still made and manufactured. They don't procreate they BUILD more of them selves, they don't have a life cycle, via building new body and uploading themselves to it they could "live" forever. That isn't life that's upgrading your computer it never lived and it can't die, deystroy is not the same thing as dying.

I didn't kill the reapers I destroyed a bunch of laser shooting toasters that have wifi access and emit white noise, nothing more nothing less. And edi as cool as she is is a toaster with ******.

This. EDI and the Geth aren't alive. Destroying them isn't genocide. They are bloody machines programmed to imitate life. There is nothing repulsive or disgusting about Destroy. (Because I think some people might think I'm being sarcastic let me say that the above is fully serious.)

[Bfler]

wright1978 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Re: the poll: Chose C. Obviously given the choice I think the vast majority of Destroyers would choose to Destroy the Reapers and save the geth/EDI.

Stared at poll and wondered who wouldn't choose C out of B & C.

People who don't choose destroy and want to manipulate the poll.

[KBomb]

Lots of soap box warriors in here. Insulting someone because they chose Destroy in a video game. You do know the geth and EDI are not real, right? You do realize that no one is actually dead. Jesus Christ, I'd hate to see some of you play Battleship. You'd have to debate the moral obligations of sinking a ship because you will be commiting mass murder.

[KwangtungTiger]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Simple they are manufactured "life forms" they weren't born they were built plain and simple, teach a toaster to add and subtract it's just an impressive toaster. That toaster decided to shoot lasers at my face it's scrap metal, my families lives depend on it's destruction STOP hammer time.

Your making things more difficult then it has to be no matter how self aware they become, how life like they become they are still made and manufactured. They don't procreate they BUILD more of them selves, they don't have a life cycle, via building new body and uploading themselves to it they could "live" forever. That isn't life that's upgrading your computer it never lived and it can't die, deystroy is not the same thing as dying.

I didn't kill the reapers I destroyed a bunch of laser shooting toasters that have wifi access and emit white noise, nothing more nothing less. And edi as cool as she is is a toaster with ******.

 Love it...........I feel the same way as this, thus my reason for choosing "A" in the poll.

[cerberus1701]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

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I didn't kill the reapers I destroyed a bunch of laser shooting toasters that have wifi access and emit white noise, nothing more nothing less. And edi as cool as she is is a toaster with ******.

Life is...life, regardless of organic or artificial nature. Consciousness can be "born" either way.

Is EDI alive?

Yes.

I still turn her off.

I take solace in the fact that she was willing to die to beat the Reapers.

Honestly, I don't even much let Joker's pain enter that end of the equation.
 
I've never liked him all that much, particularly after he caused my death in the second game. If I could have left him to die with the broken in half ship he was trying to save because he loved it to the point of fetish, I would have.

I'm not sure I even believe he loves EDI, so much as he loves the idea that the ship he adores now has a female avatar he can interact with physically.

The Geth and everyone else knew they may all die trying this thing, but they knew EVERYONE....FOR SURE....would die if they DIDN'T.

So, Destroy has a cost, but it's the least offensive compared to synthesis and has a far greater likelihood of long-term success compared to control.

And Refuse is just ridiculous ego.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 08 mars 2013 - 07:34 .

[Xilizhra]

KBomb wrote...

Lots of soap box warriors in here. Insulting someone because they chose Destroy in a video game. You do know the geth and EDI are not real, right? You do realize that no one is actually dead. Jesus Christ, I'd hate to see some of you play Battleship. You'd have to debate the moral obligations of sinking a ship because you will be commiting mass murder.

Which is funny because there's plenty of instances of Destroy players insulting Control/Synthesis players. I rather suspect more.

[Ben20530]

I didn't pick destroy because Shep breathes, in fact in my first playthrough I wasn't even aware of it.

For my Shep and to my mind destroy was the only option. That is ended up the breath end choice is a happy coincidence.

Destroy frees the galaxy from the reapers. It has its sacrifice, but that is a prevalent theme throughout. Pull the trigger, end the reapers. Simple.

I have no issue with those who justified any other ending, but forced conversion into a master race or dubious reaper remote control were not an end to tyranny in my book.

My two credits.

[KBomb]

Xilizhra wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Lots of soap box warriors in here. Insulting someone because they chose Destroy in a video game. You do know the geth and EDI are not real, right? You do realize that no one is actually dead. Jesus Christ, I'd hate to see some of you play Battleship. You'd have to debate the moral obligations of sinking a ship because you will be commiting mass murder.

Which is funny because there's plenty of instances of Destroy players insulting Control/Synthesis players. I rather suspect more.

Well considering this is a thread asking those who chose Destroy to justify why they would choose it, I'm addressing that. Also, those advocating Control/Synthesis lose any and all credibility when they resort to comparing video games to atrocities such as the Holocaust or the horrors in Darfur. That kind of reaching comes from the inability to present your argument, so you come up with something that is undeniably horrible, that way it's appears impossible to refute.

That being said, it's asinine on all counts to insult any one for a choice made in a fantasy setting. No matter what color you chose. There are plenty of ways to discuss and debate your choices without comparing someone to Hitler or the Janjaweed.