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[gisle]

All the choices all have some **** attached to them, be it loss of synthetics, trust in an AI-entity or the involuntary alteration of the very core of what is life. My Shepard wanted a galaxy that can rebuild on their own terms without the Reapers. The death of synthetics is just a sad side effect a destroy-aftermath galaxy will have to live with. The reasoning might not be perfect, but give one man seconds to decide the future of the galaxy and that's what you get.

[Hyrist]

Yeah my choices depend on the outlook of my character. I analyze what kind of person my character really was and that influences his decision.

Some are open enough to sacrifice themselves for Synthases, others aren't as trusting enough to give that future a shot (thinking starchild is lying).

Lots of other reasons, a sense of duty being among them, for chosing Destory.

MEHEM is fan-fiction, unfortunately.

[KBomb]

Ben20530 wrote...

I didn't pick destroy because Shep breathes, in fact in my first playthrough I wasn't even aware of it.

For my Shep and to my mind destroy was the only option. That is ended up the breath end choice is a happy coincidence.

Destroy frees the galaxy from the reapers. It has its sacrifice, but that is a prevalent theme throughout. Pull the trigger, end the reapers. Simple.

I have no issue with those who justified any other ending, but forced conversion into a master race or dubious reaper remote control were not an end to tyranny in my book.

My two credits.

Yeah, I had no idea my Shep lived. Well, technically, she didn't. I didn't get that scene because at the time the EMS was tied to MP and I didn't have enough points. I chose it believing my Shep would die and so I can honestly say given the choice again--with the same results-- I would still choose it.

[Valmar]

A better question is why would you consider control or synthesis to be better. Control would basically remove all free will of the geth, same thing as destroying them really, you'd just be indoctrinating them. Merging all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy? How do you condone forcing a change like that on everyone?

There was no choice, only destroy. It was the only right choice.

[cerberus1701]

N7-Commander wrote...

A better question is why would you consider control or synthesis to be better. Control would basically remove all free will of the geth, same thing as destroying them really, you'd just be indoctrinating them. Merging all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy? How do you condone forcing a change like that on everyone?

There was no choice, only destroy. It was the only right choice.

For me, Control isn't even that complex. You just basically become the next Catalyst. Sooner or later Shepalyst will go that route.

[N7Keller]

Destroy doesn't destroy all synthetic life. The fact that Shepard survives means its not true. He is partly synthetic thanks to the Lazarus Project We know that EDI is gone as well as the Geth as they are not shown.I still refuse to believe that they are even truly alive. I would have liked to save them. I don't want to take a bat to my computer but if I had to sacrifice it so organic life can live free, I will.

I hate MEHEM. I think it is gross and disgusting. Its a very bad piece of fan-fiction that changes what the team created. Video games are art. I would never go into an art museum and start painting over paintings that I hate just so I can like it. I won't edit a movie just so I can like it. I'm glad they stuck to there guns and didn't change anything, just added to it to make it more clear.

[Asch Lavigne]

Where was "I choose destroy to kill Reapers and because the synthetic angle does not bother me as I do no consider robots to be alive" choice in the poll?

I already let the Quarians wipe out the Geth so...

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 08 mars 2013 - 07:57 .

[KwangtungTiger]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Where was "I choose destroy to kill Reapers and because the synthetic angle does not bother me as I do no consider robots to be alive" choice in the poll?

I already let the Quarians wipe out the Geth so...

 The closest to it is "A"

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 08 mars 2013 - 08:03 .

[TudorWolf]

Because Shepard lives, all other considerations are secondary? That's the one you'd hear most. Don't know what Bioware were thinking really. Having an option where Shep can live and implicating an LI reunion on top of it? Blatantly people would gravitate to that, hard

[Han Shot First]

I chose Destroy because it was the best out of the three endings. The only good Reaper is a dead one.

[Asch Lavigne]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Where was "I choose destroy to kill Reapers and because the synthetic angle does not bother me as I do no consider robots to be alive" choice in the poll?

I already let the Quarians wipe out the Geth so...

 The closest to it is "A"

Must have misread that the first time.

[Legion of 1337]

Simple.

Destroy Ending: Objective Accomplished. Revenge exacted.

[Getorex]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Destroying all synthetics was something the Devs added on so people actually desired to choose another ending. I am not sure if they actually put any thought into "how" this process would actually happens, only that it does. I mean seriously, have you actually thought how the process actually destroys ALL synthetics especially how each of the 3 examples are drastically different?

That's MY beef.  There is NO WAY such an action CAN work or be done without massive and civilization-destroying side effects (and the liberal use of magic).  There is absolutely NO way to distinguish an AI from a VI from a simple Dell PC from a tablet (or in ME, an omni tool, a navigation computer, etc).  There is no magical "essence" that can be pointed at and detected to assign some object/creature as clearly synthetic.  And what does synthetic actually mean anyway?  Today, synthetic biology is ORGANIC 100% so how do you distinguish synthetic ORGANIC life from totally evolutionarily natural ORGANIC life?  You cannot.  How do you distinguish a synthetic silicon true AI from silicon VI from simple Windows 7 PC?  There's no way.  There is only code complexity and size so where is the magical cuttoff on code size? 

Indeed I think you are correct that the writer(s) didn't actually think beyond surface layer on this issue.  You cannot destroy synthetic life without also killing ALL electronics, including any chips inserted in people's eyes to impart extended vision, chips in their heads to enhance memory or connectivity to computer hardware or even implants in human biotics to give them that extra oomph of biotic power and control. 

It literally does require magic and so is Just Plain Wrong ™.

[Luth0rHuss]

I chose synthesis. But can also understand why so many get behind destroy. Frankly I mainly picked synthesis because I'm a sap. It's chock full of plot holes and nonsense, I completely agree, but for me, seeing the final monologue with EDI talking over it, and the various slides of life moving on in the EC, I don't know, it just made me feel happy. Perhaps that's what I needed after my disappointment of the initial endings. I believe that's why I still stick with it and maybe other players who don't mind a disney ending as well, to just avoid the disappointment I suppose. Regardless, I feel judgement on the moral standing of synthetic choosers is a little unfair. I didn't pick it because I set out to "gene-rape" or force anything on anyone. I heard the positive, I went with the positive. Yes, it's blind optimism, and I can totally see anyone going against it if they look into it, but on the whole, I'm happy things worked out. Everyone made their choices for there reasons. I understand differing view points completely. I would never say Synthesis trumps destroy or control, to each their own. I wanted happiness from cheese factor and tried to always play my Shepard as a peace maker. Some wanted it from the satisfaction of completing their initial mission. Some felt their Shepard could be the force to control the Reapers for good. We invested ourselves in our endings, no matter our head canon, because it reflects who we are or who we set Shepard out to be.

[Getorex]

norcalgamer wrote...

Destroy doesn't destroy all synthetic life. The fact that Shepard survives means its not true. He is partly synthetic thanks to the Lazarus Project We know that EDI is gone as well as the Geth as they are not shown.I still refuse to believe that they are even truly alive. I would have liked to save them. I don't want to take a bat to my computer but if I had to sacrifice it so organic life can live free, I will.

I hate MEHEM. I think it is gross and disgusting. Its a very bad piece of fan-fiction that changes what the team created. Video games are art. I would never go into an art museum and start painting over paintings that I hate just so I can like it. I won't edit a movie just so I can like it. I'm glad they stuck to there guns and didn't change anything, just added to it to make it more clear.

Ugh.  The argument of "artistic integrity".  IT DOESN'T EXIST an is NOT a valid argument, leastwise in an entertainment medium where the 'artist" in ALL genres changes their "art"for the sake of the audience ALL THE TIME.  They didn't write this thing for their own mental masturbation, they wrote it for a purchasing public.  Full stop.  It ain't sacrosanct "art" writ in neutronium.  Sorry.  It simply isn't. 

Oh, and did you know that there is a painting UNDER the Mona Lisa (and a bunch of other "sacrosanct" art)?  Where's the "artistic integrity" of that numbskull Da Vinci?  HE VIOLATED THE HOLY WRIT OF ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!  His bones should be dug up and burned at the stake, that bastard scumbag.

Modifié par Getorex, 08 mars 2013 - 08:40 .

[Getorex]

Luth0rHuss wrote...

I chose synthesis. But can also understand why so many get behind destroy. Frankly I mainly picked synthesis because I'm a sap. It's chock full of plot holes and nonsense, I completely agree, but for me, seeing the final monologue with EDI talking over it, and the various slides of life moving on in the EC, I don't know, it just made me feel happy. Perhaps that's what I needed after my disappointment of the initial endings. I believe that's why I still stick with it and maybe other players who don't mind a disney ending as well, to just avoid the disappointment I suppose. Regardless, I feel judgement on the moral standing of synthetic choosers is a little unfair. I didn't pick it because I set out to "gene-rape" or force anything on anyone. I heard the positive, I went with the positive. Yes, it's blind optimism, and I can totally see anyone going against it if they look into it, but on the whole, I'm happy things worked out. Everyone made their choices for there reasons. I understand differing view points completely. I would never say Synthesis trumps destroy or control, to each their own. I wanted happiness from cheese factor and tried to always play my Shepard as a peace maker. Some wanted it from the satisfaction of completing their initial mission. Some felt their Shepard could be the force to control the Reapers for good. We invested ourselves in our endings, no matter our head canon, because it reflects who we are or who we set Shepard out to be.

Sure, more power to you BUT...synthesis sucked because the reapers could have done it at ANY point in the last million(s) years they've been doing that harvesting nonsense.  Saren, at the end of ME1 was an embodiment of synthesis.  Done.  Just do that to everyone.  No muss, no fuss  Or the EM...he synthesised himself to a stupid extent.  No magic was needed.  Besides, what did 'synthesis' mean?  In the 23rd century, how many people do you think will NOT have some kind of synthetic implants or even replacement organs to fix broken organs or to simply enhance what they already have?  Where does "synthesis" end and "not quite enough synthesis" begin?  Do you have to be chock full of nanobots doing the work of your immune system?  Is just a couple replaced kidneys and maybe a chip in the brain to improve calculations and memory and computer interfacing get you there?  Of do you simply have to have some kind of implant that "glows green" to show you are truly an example of magic synthesis? 

No thought on the part of the developers.  Just fast and furious brainstorming without a second thought.  Ugh.

Modifié par Getorex, 08 mars 2013 - 09:14 .

[Luth0rHuss]

To be fair, I did say on the whole. I didn't get into the specifics of it specifically because I don't really enjoy picking it apart. I admitted I know that it's plot hole ridden, I don't deny it, I just don't much care anymore. My fictional universe ended happily, couldn't have asked for more truthfully.

[shepard1038]

Han Shot First wrote...

I chose Destroy because it was the best out of the three endings. The only good Reaper is a dead one.

This.

Dead Reapers is how we win this.

[Enhanced]

Getorex wrote...

Luth0rHuss wrote...

I chose synthesis. But can also understand why so many get behind destroy. Frankly I mainly picked synthesis because I'm a sap. It's chock full of plot holes and nonsense, I completely agree, but for me, seeing the final monologue with EDI talking over it, and the various slides of life moving on in the EC, I don't know, it just made me feel happy. Perhaps that's what I needed after my disappointment of the initial endings. I believe that's why I still stick with it and maybe other players who don't mind a disney ending as well, to just avoid the disappointment I suppose. Regardless, I feel judgement on the moral standing of synthetic choosers is a little unfair. I didn't pick it because I set out to "gene-rape" or force anything on anyone. I heard the positive, I went with the positive. Yes, it's blind optimism, and I can totally see anyone going against it if they look into it, but on the whole, I'm happy things worked out. Everyone made their choices for there reasons. I understand differing view points completely. I would never say Synthesis trumps destroy or control, to each their own. I wanted happiness from cheese factor and tried to always play my Shepard as a peace maker. Some wanted it from the satisfaction of completing their initial mission. Some felt their Shepard could be the force to control the Reapers for good. We invested ourselves in our endings, no matter our head canon, because it reflects who we are or who we set Shepard out to be.

Sure, more power to you BUT...synthesis sucked because the reapers could have done it at ANY point in the last million(s) years they've been doing that harvesting nonsense.  Saren, at the end of ME1 was an embodiment of synthesis.  Done.  Just do that to everyone.  No muss, no fuss  Or the EM...he synthesised himself to a stupid extent.  No magic was needed.  Besides, what did 'synthesis' mean?  In the 23rd century, how many people do you think will NOT have some kind of synthetic implants or even replacement organs to fix broken organs or to simply enhance what they already have?  Where does "synthesis" end and "not quite enough synthesis" begin?  Do you have to be chock full of nanobots doing the work of your immune system?  Is just a couple replaced kidneys and maybe a chip in the brain to improve calculations and memory and computer interfacing get you there?  Of do you simply have to have some kind of implant that "glows green" to show you are truly an example of magic synthesis? 

No thought on the part of the developers.  Just fast and furious brainstorming without a second thought.  Ugh.

Wrong about those.  They couldn't achieve synthesis without the crucible.  And, Saren is a "vision of the future".

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 mars 2013 - 09:38 .

[cactusberry]

Destroy, but I'd pick Mehem if I could. I can't force myself to headcanon something I didn't see my Shepard do, so while I support Mehem, I can't take it as my ending.

I wouldn't download it on my console if it were possible because I am not looking for a console ban.

[o Ventus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

they'll cook up any justification, any excuse, no matter how ridiculous or fallacious... anything so they won't have to face looking at themselves. So they won't have to see themselves through our eyes - pathetic, sad little creatures built upon greed and narcissism.

It's funny, because I can apply all of these things to you.

Exactly why haven't you been permanently banned yet?

[Getorex]

Luth0rHuss wrote...

To be fair, I did say on the whole. I didn't get into the specifics of it specifically because I don't really enjoy picking it apart. I admitted I know that it's plot hole ridden, I don't deny it, I just don't much care anymore. My fictional universe ended happily, couldn't have asked for more truthfully.

I wasn't jamming you, just commenting on the issue w/synthesis upon even modest consideration.  Equally daft are the other options so everyone loses equally!

[Getorex]

TheDarkRats wrote...

Destroy, but I'd pick Mehem if I could. I can't force myself to headcanon something I didn't see my Shepard do, so while I support Mehem, I can't take it as my ending.

I wouldn't download it on my console if it were possible because I am not looking for a console ban.

It doesn't get you banned.  I have mehem installed and there is no effect at all except getting a better ending (not great but you have to work with the ingredients you have).

[Luth0rHuss]

Sorry Getorex didn't mean to seem as if I was being combative. To be honest I can agree with some of the points you mentioned. I guess I just don't have it in me to worry about it anymore honestly lol. I just pick one that felt good to me, and go with it. What minor peace of mind I have obtained from that is likely to be shattered should I delve too deeply into the science of it.