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[Mike Shepard]

honestly, no matter what the ending was, not everyone would be happy. If the ending featured everyone surviving and being all happy and stuff, people like me would be upset because it wouldn't be very "realistic." In war, losses happen, and the endings, flawed as they may be, show that. Either shepard dies or the geth die.

[Xilizhra]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I would say there's a reasonable chance that your child will wind up living in a world where your casual dismissal of synthetic rights may be an example of a growing and serious issue. Don't tie him down to this.

"War is atrocity committed in the name of survival."

Only if you're too great a fool to win it without any. I pride myself on having committed no actual atrocities aside from the genuinely unavoidable single one.

Also, I counter this with "Now, if you can pacify the Reapers, they'll make you a saint."

lol synthetic is synthetic my son and daughter are free to make their own choices in life if they wish to view a piece of plastic and metal as alive then so be it but I refuse too make that leap if I was forced to choose between save a true blue human being over an entire population of self aware sexbots I'm saveing the human without batting an eye or giving it a second thought. If people really care about the sexbots they will rebuild them and copy their hardrives to the new models.

Then if it comes down to war for this reason, you'll find me on the other side of the firing line.

[Alien Number Six]

I don't know if you where paying attention. You fought the Geth in every single game. They are the enemy. Just because Legion says the Geth want peace with organics dosen't make it true. I love EDI but she is a machine. A piece of equipment. Like a tank or a gun. I want the Reapers dead. All of them. Payback is a bi+ch.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I would say there's a reasonable chance that your child will wind up living in a world where your casual dismissal of synthetic rights may be an example of a growing and serious issue. Don't tie him down to this.

"War is atrocity committed in the name of survival."

Only if you're too great a fool to win it without any. I pride myself on having committed no actual atrocities aside from the genuinely unavoidable single one.

Also, I counter this with "Now, if you can pacify the Reapers, they'll make you a saint."

lol synthetic is synthetic my son and daughter are free to make their own choices in life if they wish to view a piece of plastic and metal as alive then so be it but I refuse too make that leap if I was forced to choose between save a true blue human being over an entire population of self aware sexbots I'm saveing the human without batting an eye or giving it a second thought. If people really care about the sexbots they will rebuild them and copy their hardrives to the new models.

Then if it comes down to war for this reason, you'll find me on the other side of the firing line.

You say things like this, and you wonder why you're called a zealot?

[Cainhurst Crow]

shepard1038 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Does destroy affect cybernetics? Because if so the quarians are screwed.

No, it only affects Synthetics.

That's convenient, but a relief.

[Althix]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
You say things like this, and you wonder why you're called a zealot?

zealot? i find him fun to read. also this firing lines statement is priceless.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 09 mars 2013 - 06:30 .

[Xilizhra]

I don't know if you where paying attention. You fought the Geth in every single game. They are the enemy. Just because Legion says the Geth want peace with organics dosen't make it true. I love EDI but she is a machine. A piece of equipment. Like a tank or a gun. I want the Reapers dead. All of them. Payback is a bi+ch.

Similarly, you're nothing but a piece of equipment for the Alliance. Or Cerberus; they built you, after all.

You say things like this, and you wonder why you're called a zealot?

Well, it is a rather large if. However, if we had a genuine civil war over the status of synthetic rights, and if my (feeble) help was somehow necessary for the pro-synthetic side, then I would give it.

zealot? i find him fun to read. also this firing lines statement is priceless.

It's "her," fyi.

[Kaorunandrak]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I would say there's a reasonable chance that your child will wind up living in a world where your casual dismissal of synthetic rights may be an example of a growing and serious issue. Don't tie him down to this.

"War is atrocity committed in the name of survival."

Only if you're too great a fool to win it without any. I pride myself on having committed no actual atrocities aside from the genuinely unavoidable single one.

Also, I counter this with "Now, if you can pacify the Reapers, they'll make you a saint."

lol synthetic is synthetic my son and daughter are free to make their own choices in life if they wish to view a piece of plastic and metal as alive then so be it but I refuse too make that leap if I was forced to choose between save a true blue human being over an entire population of self aware sexbots I'm saveing the human without batting an eye or giving it a second thought. If people really care about the sexbots they will rebuild them and copy their hardrives to the new models.

Then if it comes down to war for this reason, you'll find me on the other side of the firing line.

lol can I ask why you and the other guy are making this a real life situation? I realized this is why  I keep replying im actually a little shocked by the passion you too have shown for this conversation. I mean my first reply was my truthful feeling on AI but it was also comical hence the toaster with ****** reference however the two of you seem to be trully emotionally invested in a video game scenario and the choice made within.

I have to give to bioware for getting this kind of attachment from their fans, I mean I love mass effect I think it is a great series and story and envokes SOME emotional feelings but what you two have shown in your deffense of edi and the geth is actually kind of inspireing. That said they are still artificial constructs and nothing more even if edi is voiced by a frikken goddess, and shall be wiped out post haste in my next play through but good job guys you got me into a serious conversation for a day that didn't involve who changed the daiper last.

[Eelectrica]

Synthetics are machines - they can be rebuilt and re-programmed properly next time.
Only unit with a soul is Geth Juggernaught after he steals them.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

You say things like this, and you wonder why you're called a zealot?

Well, it is a rather large if. However, if we had a genuine civil war over the status of synthetic rights, and if my (feeble) help was somehow necessary for the pro-synthetic side, then I would give it.

Gotcha. For the record, I'm pro-synthetic. I support EDI (seriously - I hate that she dies in Destroy, but still consider it the best outcome). I'd support the sentient LOKIs seen in the Citadel Archives. My beef with the Geth that you've seen me speak of is solely on account of the things they've done. I apply the same standard of justice to synthetics that I would to organics - and by my standards, justice has no expiration date.

I'm left wondering exactly what crimes Samara committed in her youth which she is atoning for now by being a justicar ("I killed people, mated with them and danced the night away").

[Xilizhra]

Gotcha. For the record, I'm pro-synthetic. I support EDI (seriously - I hate that she dies in Destroy, but still consider it the best outcome). I'd support the sentient LOKIs seen in the Citadel Archives. My beef with the Geth that you've seen me speak of is solely on account of the things they've done. I apply the same standard of justice to synthetics that I would to organics - and by my standards, justice has no expiration date.

I consider your standards of justice to be unjustly harsh, but you may have realized this already.

[shodiswe]

Destroy isn't my favrite ending but, MEHEM isn't official. I don't mind head cannon but if there is a continuation with lore in future games it "most likely" wont be supported.

I'm currently sticking to control, it saves the Geth EDI and all those people on the citadel, millions of organics on the citadel and billions of Synthetics in the galaxy at large.

Though, the Citadel DLC show that it's organics in general that picks fights and tries to destroy Synthetics. So it might be hard to keep thigns together without synthesis.... Sigh... But really all my Shepard wanted was to save people from getting killed by Reapers, and Shepard has already died once.

I can also head cannon that Control Shepard spends time with Liara til she dies out of old age...

[HooblaDGN]

I'm surprised that there are fans of this game who don't grasp the concept that synthetic beings can be just as much people as humans or asari or turians are, and that their lives are just as valuable (I still choose destroy). But then, I always play paragon. Maybe the renegade message is different?

[d-boy15]

look... if you love the synthetic so much that you can't let them die no one gonna
prevent you from choose control or synthesis.

pro-destroy just think that removing reaper is better and the galaxy without reaper
influence is worth the price.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gotcha. For the record, I'm pro-synthetic. I support EDI (seriously - I hate that she dies in Destroy, but still consider it the best outcome). I'd support the sentient LOKIs seen in the Citadel Archives. My beef with the Geth that you've seen me speak of is solely on account of the things they've done. I apply the same standard of justice to synthetics that I would to organics - and by my standards, justice has no expiration date.

I consider your standards of justice to be unjustly harsh, but you may have realized this already.

You're free to think whatever you want of my standards. I think we both know by this point that we don't see exactly eye-to-eye. 

To put it in organic terms, if an asari murdered an entire family of salarians because one of them attacked her, and she then evaded justice, outliving several generations of her victims' families, she'd still be guilty of murder centuries later when her actions finally caught up with her. I can see leniency being warranted if she has reformed (like Legion - I make peace when I can). If she hasn't, (Geth VI), she deserves the full punishment for her actions, as though she were caught the very same day she committed the murders.

Technically, the Geth have only "reformed" in the last six months since Legion got back to them. They exterminated 99% of the Quarian species in a single year. They've indiscriminately killed anyone who entered their space from the Morning War to the present (including every diplomat sent to make contact with them), and did nothing to stop the Heretics until they, themselves, were threatened by them. In that regard, the relationship between the True Geth and the Heretics was like the relationship between the Batarian Hegemony and the terrorists it denied responsibility for, only (after Sovereign's attack) the Geth didn't even bother announcing to the wider galaxy that the Heretics weren't a part of them. Then there's that whole thing about siding with the Reapers...

I only make peace through metagaming. Realistically, after what happened with the IFF, I would trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 09 mars 2013 - 06:57 .

[shodiswe]

d-boy15 wrote...

look... if you love the synthetic so much that you can't let them die no one gonna
prevent you from choose control or synthesis.

pro-destroy just think that removing reaper is better and the galaxy without reaper
influence is worth the price.

I'm pretty sure it was a whole lot better before the reapers, when the galaxy was under Leviathan influence.

[djd_101]

For me all three endings are abhorrent – they subvert our/Shepard’s morals for those of the villains. Destroy is the lesser of all the evils, but sill requires us to commit genocide in favour of authoritarian dictatorship (control) or eugenics (synthesis) – but as the consumer we are at the mercy of the author/s and we work with what we’ve got! Hobson’s choice to be sure.

[d-boy15]

shodiswe wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

look... if you love the synthetic so much that you can't let them die no one gonna
prevent you from choose control or synthesis.

pro-destroy just think that removing reaper is better and the galaxy without reaper
influence is worth the price.

I'm pretty sure it was a whole lot better before the reapers, when the galaxy was under Leviathan influence.

Except everything is change, galaxy now know of their existance. the only reason they can influence in the past is
they not directly do that and no one know about their existance.

but hey! may be I just doom the galaxy and synthesis is the best choice. well, whatever that make you feel better.

Modifié par d-boy15, 09 mars 2013 - 07:08 .

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gotcha. For the record, I'm pro-synthetic. I support EDI (seriously - I hate that she dies in Destroy, but still consider it the best outcome). I'd support the sentient LOKIs seen in the Citadel Archives. My beef with the Geth that you've seen me speak of is solely on account of the things they've done. I apply the same standard of justice to synthetics that I would to organics - and by my standards, justice has no expiration date.

I consider your standards of justice to be unjustly harsh, but you may have realized this already.

You're free to think whatever you want of my standards. I think we both know by this point that we don't see exactly eye-to-eye. 

To put it in organic terms, if an asari murdered an entire family of salarians because one of them attacked her, and she then evaded justice, outliving several generations of her victims' families, she'd still be guilty of murder centuries later when her actions finally caught up with her. I can see leniency being warranted if she has reformed (like Legion - I make peace when I can). If she hasn't, (Geth VI), she deserves the full punishment for her actions, as though she were caught the very same day she committed the murders.

Technically, the Geth have only "reformed" in the last six months since Legion got back to them. They exterminated 99% of the Quarian species in a single year. They've indiscriminately killed anyone who entered their space from the Morning War to the present (including every diplomat sent to make contact with them), and did nothing to stop the Heretics until they, themselves, were threatened by them. In that regard, the relationship between the True Geth and the Heretics was like the relationship between the Batarian Hegemony and the terrorists it denied responsibility for, only (after Sovereign's attack) the Geth didn't even bother announcing to the wider galaxy that the Heretics weren't a part of them. Then there's that whole thing about siding with the Reapers...

I only make peace through metagaming. Realistically, after what happened with the IFF, I would trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station.

Geth don't really get organic psychology, and see consensuses where there are none. I think that's the motivating factor behind almost everything negative they've done. Also, the IFF was an absolutely vital tool, even with the risk.

[Argetfalcon]

Because Admiral Hackett Says we can rebuild everything. And come on the Geth are a big part of the ME universe. No way the developers would just throw them away

[Bill Casey]

The answer is I can't accept it...
I'm dead inside...

It's the least monstrously evil thing I can do without everyone dying...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 09 mars 2013 - 07:58 .

[KwangtungTiger]

Personally I never trusted the Geth. If you renagade interrupt legion on the Normandy (ME3), you essentially catch it lieing (I'll have to find the exact source). Coupled with legion trying to upload the Reaper code (First thought without meta-gaming was Reaper 2.0), I destroy the Geth every time.

In the end the only one I kinda sacrifice is Edi but I still look at her as only a highly upgraded toaster (Hmmmmmmmmm.....Edi toast).

[KwangtungTiger]

I see alot of people on here saying that "we could rebuild the Geth", but why the hell would you. Synthetic's are what got us into this problem in the first place. There's no cons other than the quarians having to take awhile longer to acclimate to their home world with the Geth gone.

[o Ventus]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

I see alot of people on here saying that "we could rebuild the Geth", but why the hell would you. Synthetic's are what got us into this problem in the first place. There's no cons other than the quarians having to take awhile longer to acclimate to their home world with the Geth gone.

... What? 

So it was the geth's fault they were genocided upon by the quarians?

So it was the zha'til's fault they were forcibly enslaved by the Reapers?

So it was the Luna VI's fault it gained sentience in the middle of a live-fire exercise?

So it was the Citadel AI's fault that it's partner was killed?

[Delacruz]

Since ME1 my goal was to get rid of the Reapers, in the end of ME3 i was given the option to destroy the reapers once and for all, so that's what i chose without hesitation. Losing the geth and losing EDI was sad. yes but... You won't win a war without sacrifice.