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[Mcfly616]

Umm because I don't like MEHEM.....

[AlexMBrennan]

Let's compromise: it comes down to whether you can believe that the geth and other AIs are fundamentally different from contemporary computer software which can easily be backed up - it's a lack of suspension of disbelief

[Enhanced]

Fawx9 wrote...

Pakundo wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Because the synthetics can be rebuilt to exact specifications.

It's a non-issue.

http://masseffect.wi...al_Intelligence

Which the Geth aren't.

The only AI you kill is EDI.

lol what?

[nrobbiec]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MEHEM is a fan-made ending, meaning that it's not "canon", in a sense that when Bioware makes not ME4, unless they set it in a parallel universe, the ending we have may carried over to the next game. I consider the universe set by the developers to be the actual "canon", so despite how much I like Kaidan, I could not use the mod during ME1.

As for why I choose ending, I don't trust the star kids. If organics make new synthesis in the future and destroy the universe. It's their damn fault, not my Shep. Besides, my Shep had loved ones waiting for them at home. I would feel more incline to choose the other endings if I wasn't romanced Kaidan, I suppose. Don't get me wrong, EDI is my favorite female squadmate, so I do feel bad for her, but while I roleplay, I roleplay as an emotional guy who made a promise to his mother and his friends that he would return. Would synthesis lead to a better life? Probably, but my Shepard's only thought at the moment was to destroy the Reapers, take revenge for all the people that had been killed, and return home safely.

I feel the same way.
However since in ME1 it's accessing cut content with console commans and not downloading a fanmade mod that changes set events in the game I let it be.

[kumquats]

Pakundo wrote...

 Provided you're not Javik-minded, and you liked EDI, the Geth and every A.I. that isn't an absolute crapshoot, why can you accept Destroy?

I'm sure my Shepard liked Wrex, Mordin and the enitre Korgan race. They still are a sacrificed, so my Shepard can achieve her goals. Which is to destroy the Reapers. I think if someone is rdy to kill an entire organic race, she could do the same, to an entire synthetic race.

On the other hand, I would never touch Destroy with my Paragon.

Modifié par kumquats, 08 mars 2013 - 02:00 .

[Galifreya]

Because I feel they can be recovered. I imagine it would be somewhat like trying to recover data on a damaged hard drive. It's difficult, but not impossible. I saw no disintegrating Geth bodies, nor did I see EDI's A.I. core completely destroyed. So I have no reason to believe that it's impossible.

Also, I trust dead reapers and the galaxy as a whole a helluva lot more than I do blind leaps of faith, which Control and Synthesis both are. Synthesis could backfire, because it is -still- being forced on the galaxy, which you are told is a very bad thing to try to do. Control is your standard "Absolute Power corrupts absolutely" ending, and I don't trust for a second that the reapers are going to remain in line. Shepard dies in both of those endings. Which is something the reapers have been trying to make a reality ever since Sovereign was killed.

I don't choose MEHEM because I can't mod to save my life. Not to mention it would bother me to no end that it isn't remotely canon (as nice as that would be). At least my own head canon can't be disputed by BioWare. At least, I would hope they wouldn't say it's impossible to bring back EDI and the Geth. It should've been impossible to bring back Shepard (literally back from the dead), but they did it anyway, didn't they?

[Dean_the_Young]

Pakundo wrote...

 Provided you're not Javik-minded, and you liked EDI, the Geth and every A.I. that isn't an absolute crapshoot, why can you accept Destroy?

Because that's, like, two individual characters? One of which is dead at the time?

If you're looking in terms of close characters, it's really only EDI and possibly a single group of faceless, nameless masses. Players never care much for the nameless masses.

Why not cast it away, along with the lol-Shepard-dies-lol-sacrifice endings that're Control and Synthesis?
(Refuse isn't counted, doesn't matter that Shepard stands by their principle - everybody dies.)

Because the only functions of the Crucible are Destroy, Control, and Synthesis.

And if you do accept Destroy because it's supposedly the best canon ending, (so let's talk about things the way Bioware thinks as canon), why not prefer Synthesis, if Bioware approves of it so much (seeing as it's the best in-universe ending, minus Shepard's sacrifice)?

Why should Bioware's approval matter in my opinion of the merits and demerits? 

Why not MEHEM?

Mediocre happy-feel-good denialist fanfiction mods aren't particularly fun for me.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 08 mars 2013 - 02:00 .

[LieutenantSarcasm]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Let's compromise: it comes down to whether you can believe that the geth and other AIs are fundamentally different from contemporary computer software which can easily be backed up - it's a lack of suspension of disbelief

That's one of the holes in the argument for destroying Geth-type all-software AIs, than even if runtimes are stopped there is likely a data backup. However, other AIs, like EDI are a combination hardware/software mind, and the destruction or damage of the hardware would cause irreparable harm. They work in quantum states, and those are entirely unpredicable and unique.

[vonSlash]

Pakundo wrote...
Why not MEHEM?

Because I like Control more.

[Dr_Extrem]

nrobbiec wrote...

Why not MEHEM? Headcanon is for epilogues not the ending, Catalyst is canon.

"there is no canon"

and even if there is a canon .. i dont care.



on topic: mehem - but not because of edi and the geth (i really like edi as a perosnality). i just dont want to become the executioner, who is using reaper methods and values to end a conflict, that is not even there.

its lame and stale to be "the bad guy" in every second movie ... this is too much

i dont want my avatar to become the thing, i fought against within the last 10 minutes - its an unnecessary paradigm shift.

i had to choose on virmire ... i would choose in the endings - but the reasons and circumstances in the original endings are more horrible, than leaving a friend and even an entire race to die. 

shepard executes, what the reapers demand and therefore becomes one of them. the hero has fallen.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 08 mars 2013 - 02:06 .

[CR121691]

The are just robots and robots can be rebuild. Don't get me wrong, if I had to sacrefice humanity in order to win the war, I would do the same.

[Wayning_Star]

this is another ending thread and probably will be locked..so..

[N7_]

Revenge. Simple, sweet revenge. I wanted to end the Reapers and if that meant losing Geth and EDI then I was OK with that. Few for the many and all that jazz. This is war, sacrifices have to be made. Not a fan of endings where everybody lives happily ever after, it's a cheap and easy way to end something. Prefer a little loss and some reflection after its all over.

Not actually seen the other endings yet, I'll probably go synthesis at the end of my current playthrough.

[Legbiter]

Because the toasters had it coming, uploading themselves with Reaper tech. EDI is an acceptable loss to save the galaxy and would have sacrificed herself in a heartbeat to kill off the Reapers.

Synthesis is an abomination where you Reaperize the entire galaxy.

[JC426]

Pro destroy, I liked EDIs character and would of thought that if she is as smart as she is portrayed then she would of has an inkling that the crucible is a weapon that could destroy the reapers that she herself could be effected and would of found a way to ensure her survival if it did destroy reaper tech. Head cannon equals her downloading her pre final beam run memory into a shielded memory bank and that post ending she can get joker to upload her memories and knowledge into a new, joker designed body

[spirosz]

Because I don't have it on PC and I headcannon that we figure out a way to rebuild them, if possible and learn from mistakes and hey, if that starts another war, it starts a war. Life shouldn't be predictable.

Modifié par spirosz, 08 mars 2013 - 02:10 .

[MetioricTest]

Genocide is a reoccurring theme. The Rachni, the Geth/Quarians, the Krogan.

Why does the issue only become a big deal when it's the Geth AND Edi?

Lots of people had already killed the Geth by the time they got there

[CR121691]

I never liked the EDI gets the body decision anyway so I really don't care about her relationship with Joker. Sounds harsh but yeah thats my opinion. Also I hated the Geth from ME 1 and Legion couldn't turn that feeling the other way. His lies made it even easier to pick destroy.

[Pakundo]

MetioricTest wrote...

Genocide is a reoccurring theme. The Rachni, the Geth/Quarians, the Krogan.

Why does the issue only become a big deal when it's the Geth AND Edi?

Lots of people had already killed the Geth by the time they got there

But I haven't.
I never have and never will.
My playthroughs were always the "No compormises, nobody gets left behind, and no quick-and-dirty choices."

I settled for nothing but the best, even though I cringed at Mordin's self-imposed sacrifice, at Shepard's canon stupidity in not interrupting Thane and Kai Leng's fight, and I only just BARELY managed to swallow Legion's idiotic unnecessary sacrifice (he really COULD copy his software somewhere to side and then reupload to his platform, he didn't need to go).

But the endings?
There was not ONE option that spared those I cared for.
Destroy spared no synthetics, control didn't spare Shepard, and neither did Synthesis.
Refuse costed the ENTIRE cycle.

Why not, to continue with my Shepard's theme of "best choices", allow me to somehow use the Crucible and target JUST Reaper-only ships and machinery?

[Ophiskc]

Control: The catalyst is exchanged with another one, which can get crazy ideas just like the last one. Reapers are still intact, galaxy still in danger if the catalyst decides to.

Synthesis: Reapers are still alive, but with an organic mind, which doesn't make them saints either. They're strong and can get corrupted, thinking is their right to rule the galaxy. Galaxy still in danger.

Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Afterwards, I would nuke the Leviathan's planet from orbit too, just in case. Reapers are too much of a threat to risk the history repeating itself.

[Targy90]

I chose destroy because no other option gets rid of the reapers.

[ruggly]

because MEHEM is not for everyone.

[llandwynwyn]

I'd do the same if the choice was, idk, Liara and the Asaris. Bioware made the choice "easier" with the geth/EDI, since they aren't truly alive. Not in my opinion, anyway.

[sharkboy421]

I picked Destroy because I like the color red.  Well, I'm only partially joking.  I find all of the endings to just be from out of left field and make almost no sense in the context of the ME universe.  Destroy on the surface at least appears to be consistent with the series.  But once I thought about it, I realized that all the endings were still part of the catalyst's assertition, which I feel is not applicable to ME.

So for now, I pick Destroy because. . .its I don't care and I can headcannon the geth and EDI live. 

[cyrslash1974]

OP, my will was, is and will be the destruction of the reapers, but unfortunately the synthetics are colleteral victims. Yes, it's hard to accept that.

And MEHEM is not available on X-Box :-(