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[DebatableBubble]

BD Manchild wrote...

PinkToolTheater wrote...

If I can sacrifice Mordin for the greater good of all Krogan...

Then I can EASILY sacrifice EDI for the greater good of the entire Galaxy.

Oh **** off. Mordin CHOSE to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the galaxy. EDI doesn't get any such choice. There's a world of difference between those two circumstances.

Honestly I get the impression some of you would gladly shove your best friend under a truck if it meant saving your own worthless neck.

I like this human. He understands!

[Astartes Marine]

BD Manchild wrote...
Oh **** off. Mordin CHOSE to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the galaxy. EDI doesn't get any such choice. There's a world of difference between those two circumstances.

The last conversation I had with EDI is where she learned about submission versus extermination and the unexpected lesson she learned about the Reaper prison camps and how survival wasn't the sole priority of the captives.  She decided that she would give her life if it meant the end of the Reapers and at least Jeff's survival. 

BD Manchild wrote...
Honestly
I get the impression some of you would gladly shove your best friend
under a truck if it meant saving your own worthless neck.

Please remember the very clear difference between situations in the real world, and situations in a virtual world that have no real world repercussions.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

A year later and we're still going on about this....

It's pretty simple:

---------->High EMS Destroy = Reapers Die + You Live + All synthetic "life" dies <---------- THIS

Med EMS Destroy = Reapers Die + You Die + All synthetic "life" dies

Control = You Die + Sheparlyst + Reapers Live + All synthetic "life" survives
Synthesis = Control - Sheparlyst + You rewrite everyone in the galaxy.
Refuse = you leave the choice for the next cycle

MEHEM = High EMS Destroy but actually shows Shepard alive at the Memorial scene. It is really the only difference. It just cuts out Starbrat.

Shepard lives in the High EMS Destroy.
Chris Hepler was trolling at SDCC; others piled on.

If I have a PC, I'll use MEHEM because I'm going to have high EMS and will choose Destroy anyway. I don't care about the Geth.

If you think the Quarians don't have other suits without the Geth uploads, you're nuts. "Have the Geth uploaded themselves into your suit? Are they speaking for you? I did not fight all these years to become a slave to the synthetics." -- Admiral Xen

[MKfighter89]

Heres my question, I was reading through the game guide at the book store recently. I couldn't believe as much I read about the ending I never seen this. In the ending section (heart and brain) it says with blank and blank done and blank ems shep dies. They have several more like this then the last 2 are over 4000 ems and choosing destroy gives the breath scene and the book says shep lives. Now I know people say it goes both ways he could be dead or alive or die from his implants etc. The guide says shep lives why does everyone still argue the breath scene if it was stated since day one in the guide that shep lives if you choose destroy and meet these specs. Just a question I have cause I couldn't believe I never seen this, if I did I don't remember.

[cerberus1701]

Rubios wrote...

PinkToolTheater wrote...
Honestly I get the impression some of you would gladly shove your best friend under a truck if it meant saving your own worthless neck.

I would.

My best friend for, say, 6B other people (which may or may not include me, I can deal either way.)

Fair trade.

One race? Whether that is Geth or Turian or Human to save.... literally.... EVERYTHING ELSE???

I can do that.

Far better to do that than basically guarantee that there will be more cycles (only this time I will be leading the Reapers)

Or summarily decide that I know what's best for trillions of others by choosing to fundamentally alter their very existence without even their knowledge, much less consent.

[Zered]

Yeah tis bothered me the most about synthesis. What right does have Sheppard to alter the lives of trillions?

[Strangewrex]

I can accept the loss of the synthetics because, while they did contribute to the Fall of the Reapers, They're machines. Given time, they can be rebuilt. It sucks to lose a character like EDI, but you need to realize she is a Machine. She would have gladly given her "life" to ensure Joker's Survival and that of the Normandy Crew, Let alone Trillions of Life-Forms across the Galaxy.
The Geth, would have probably been more than happy to face deactivation if it meant that their Creators (the Quarians) got to live.

[Reorte]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

MEHEM = High EMS Destroy but actually shows Shepard alive at the Memorial scene. It is really the only difference. It just cuts out Starbrat.

I thought it removed EDI's name from the memorial wall, and with no Starbrat there's absolutely no reason to believe that the geth are dead either (does it swap Rannoch slides around though?)

[Reorte]

michalooo wrote...

Yeah tis bothered me the most about synthesis. What right does have Sheppard to alter the lives of trillions?

Careful, one poster got angry with me for daring to suggest that considering the numbers between one species and affecting every single living thing in the entire galaxy is something that you should take into account.

[Bill Casey]

michalooo wrote...

Yeah tis bothered me the most about synthesis. What right does have Sheppard to alter the lives of trillions?

He doesn't...
It's an untested experimental procedure on every living thing at once...
It's a severe human rights violation, and it's the most unethical option by far...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 mars 2013 - 01:02 .

[Dr_Extrem]

so much wisdom

[Masha Potato]

haha what can you expect romancing a dying synthetic people

[Astartes Marine]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

so much wisdom

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I closed that immediately after I read the title of it.  Did you really have to use a hypocritical speech from such a horrible movie as an example?

[martiancake]

I chose destroy because even though the Catalyst tells Shepard s/he'll die, if you have a high enough EMS, s/he doesn't die. So maybe the Catalyst was wrong/lied about the geth and EDI too? That's my (possibly self-deluding) headcanon and I'm stickin' to it.

[Dr_Extrem]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

so much wisdom

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I closed that immediately after I read the title of it.  Did you really have to use a hypocritical speech from such a horrible movie as an example?

yes .. because it shows how easily ethics and morals a thrown over board, if the number of affected persons is low enough.

it does not matter that we kill xxx-people ... the end justifies the means.

in the process, we loose, what we are fighting for. we cross the line.

[Astartes Marine]

Dr_Extrem wrote...
yes .. because it shows how easily ethics and morals a thrown over board, if the number of affected persons is low enough.

it does not matter that we kill xxx-people ... the end justifies the means.

in the process, we loose, what we are fighting for. we cross the line.

Oh I understand the meaning of it, no need to explain there...I just found it strange that Picard's going on about forced relocations destroying people and arguing with an Admiral about it when he himself was in the Admiral's position in the tv series on at least 3 occassions and fully supported the moves.  That's what I meant by hypocritical.


But dear god there had to be better examples than that...film...

[daaaav]

PinkToolTheater wrote...

If I can sacrifice Mordin for the greater good of all Krogan...

Then I can EASILY sacrifice EDI for the greater good of the entire Galaxy.

You didn't sacrifice Mordin... Mordin sacrificed himself in the culmination of a fine story arc focussed on a fantastic tragic hero. The Geth and Edi were thrown out with the trash, and had no agency at all in their fate.

There is a difference.

[MKfighter89]

Because no matter how much they evolved they were still created. If you to play God choose synthesis, I am making my choice of the true life. They can be rebuilt if you really want to.

[daaaav]

JillBSuiT wrote...

Because no matter how much they evolved they were still created. If you to play God choose synthesis, I am making my choice of the true life. They can be rebuilt if you really want to.

No they can't. No more than an organic brain can revived after brain death (lazarus project non withstanding). Sorry, but you can't absolve yourself through these means if you pick destroy. 

[Dr_Extrem]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...
yes .. because it shows how easily ethics and morals a thrown over board, if the number of affected persons is low enough.

it does not matter that we kill xxx-people ... the end justifies the means.

in the process, we loose, what we are fighting for. we cross the line.

Oh I understand the meaning of it, no need to explain there...I just found it strange that Picard's going on about forced relocations destroying people and arguing with an Admiral about it when he himself was in the Admiral's position in the tv series on at least 3 occassions and fully supported the moves.  That's what I meant by hypocritical.


But dear god there had to be better examples than that...film...

i have a lot of examples .. but posting geman content on an english board is not very polite ..

and star trek is well known and patric stewards voice is great.


there is a difference between relocating people because their homeplanet is being destroyed and relocating them, because an ally wants to get benefits.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 10 mars 2013 - 01:46 .

[MKfighter89]

daaaav wrote...

JillBSuiT wrote...

Because no matter how much they evolved they were still created. If you to play God choose synthesis, I am making my choice of the true life. They can be rebuilt if you really want to.

No they can't. No more than an organic brain can revived after brain death (lazarus project non withstanding). Sorry, but you can't absolve yourself through these means if you pick destroy. 

I know the endings become what we think in our minds happen. In all movies or stories where man tries to evolve or create some sort of being it ends wrong in some way or another. Use mass effect the salarians uplifted the Krogan, then they became a unmanageble and out of control destructive force. Yes 1000s of years later they become a major player in helping fight the reapers, but were still a problem. Chooseing destroy doesn't mean all the geth and edi die, they are all programs of some sort. The geth or all uploaded on servers, yes they all form some sort of individual brain and become a single being in theur own sort. The thing is if the blast takes out the servers, computer programs, etc. then the whole galaxy is short and will have to start over from the beginning cause a huge mess. Just rebuild the geth and upload them into these bodies. Maybe I'm thinking to much into it ??? anyway thats what I think, maybe just a bunch of BS lol all well. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reorte wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

MEHEM = High EMS Destroy but actually shows Shepard alive at the Memorial scene. It is really the only difference. It just cuts out Starbrat.

I thought it removed EDI's name from the memorial wall, and with no Starbrat there's absolutely no reason to believe that the geth are dead either (does it swap Rannoch slides around though?)

THe new version does remove EDIs name. I think they used the control slides with the geth. I haven't played through yet. I just got my PC set up with my gaming monitor. I can't game with a cheap LCD. My ASUS 144 Hz 1ms just arrived yesterday.

[Dr_Extrem]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Reorte wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

MEHEM = High EMS Destroy but actually shows Shepard alive at the Memorial scene. It is really the only difference. It just cuts out Starbrat.

I thought it removed EDI's name from the memorial wall, and with no Starbrat there's absolutely no reason to believe that the geth are dead either (does it swap Rannoch slides around though?)

THe new version does remove EDIs name. I think they used the control slides with the geth. I haven't played through yet. I just got my PC set up with my gaming monitor. I can't game with a cheap LCD. My ASUS 144 Hz 1ms just arrived yesterday.

congratulations ... 3d-tech i guess?

[ThatDancingTurian]

Dr_Extrem wrote...



so much wisdom

Counterpoint.