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[Dr_Extrem]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...



so much wisdom

Counterpoint.

made irrelevant by star trek 3

[Drewton]

Auld Wulf wrote...

You crazy people need to form an exclusive club for sociopaths or something.

You kill people in violent games?

You monster!

[noobcannon]

Pakundo wrote...

Why not MEHEM?

because it's a really poorly done fan fic mod.

Modifié par noobcannon, 10 mars 2013 - 02:38 .

[Solmanian]

Let's be honest. The main reason destroyers maid this genocidal choice is because shepard can survive, and that somehow made them proclaim that it was the "best" choice. They're fine with sacrifice, as long as they don't have to make them...

[Drewton]

Solmanian wrote...

Let's be honest. The main reason destroyers maid this genocidal choice is because shepard can survive, and that somehow made them proclaim that it was the "best" choice. They're fine with sacrifice, as long as they don't have to make them...

I think most people chose Destroy since that was the goal throughout the entire trilogy.

[d-boy15]

Solmanian wrote...

Let's be honest. The main reason destroyers maid this genocidal choice is because shepard can survive, and that somehow made them proclaim that it was the "best" choice. They're fine with sacrifice, as long as they don't have to make them...

Let's be honest. The main reason synthesis/control suppoter maid their choice because they don't want to kill
the geth ,and that somehow made them proclaim that they are superior than destroy supporter. they're fine
with forced peoples against their will  so they can keep their honor intact.

I can do that too...

Modifié par d-boy15, 10 mars 2013 - 02:59 .

[grimkillah]

This is why I couldn't finish the game, stuck on the ending.

Green - It is what Reapers wanted, so never
Blue - It is what Illusive Man wanted, so no
Red - I cared too much to lose EDI and betray Legion's legacy

[Korra23]

I personally first chose destroy, but then after time passed i realized Synthesis was the best option for all the galaxy. That's because i think that destroy in it's core is selfishness, you saved your MC, but you commit genocide against your friend and a whole civilization.
Destroy is for the players who can´t and/or don't want to say goodbye to Shepard, his heroic death bringed me more closure than the rubble scene and Shepard being alive but tainted with all that death .

[Kaorunandrak]

destroy times infinity! I wins the internets!

[essarr71]

denethor23 wrote...

I personally first chose destroy, but then after time passed i realized Synthesis was the best option for all the galaxy. That's because i think that destroy in it's core is selfishness, you saved your MC, but you commit genocide against your friend and a whole civilization.
Destroy is for the players who can´t and/or don't want to say goodbye to Shepard, his heroic death bringed me more closure than the rubble scene and Shepard being alive but tainted with all that death .

Naive.

And your idea of heroic is suspect.  Tho, even Lenin was a hero.

[cerberus1701]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

so much wisdom

...


I closed that immediately after I read the title of it.  Did you really have to use a hypocritical speech from such a horrible movie as an example?

yes .. because it shows how easily ethics and morals a thrown over board, if the number of affected persons is low enough.

it does not matter that we kill xxx-people ... the end justifies the means.

in the process, we loose, what we are fighting for. we cross the line.

Crap example, dude.

In the case of the Ba'ku, we're talking about relocating...not killing...relocating 600 people in return for basically eternal life for everyone else in the galaxy.

...600 people who were squatters in the first place.

But if we were talking about killing those 600 to save the galaxy?

No problem.

It's not as if Picard is the moral authority he thinks he is anyway. He let the Reapers (Borg) cull hundreds of races by not even attempting to stop them when he had the chance ("I,Borg")

All because hims made a fwend wif one dwone.

Cold comfort for the inhabitants of every world that the cubes sliced up since.

[Reapling]

*cough* Indoctrination *cough*

[cerberus1701]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...



so much wisdom

Counterpoint.

made irrelevant by star trek 3

The point made is not irrelevant.

[Deadpool9]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...



so much wisdom

Counterpoint.

made irrelevant by star trek 3

The point made is not irrelevant.

I feel like Shepard having to choose who to support, but here's the applicable episode for all of you, from ST:TNG, Season 1, Episode 8, "Justice" --

Data: Would you choose one life over one thousand, sir?
Picard: I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that.

Picard wouldn't choose Destroy based on the ruthless calculus of war.

But Picard would probably still be forced to pick Destroy.  

He wouldn't--couldn't--pick Synthesis because it seriously violates the Prime Directive all across the galaxy.  Season 1, Episode 10, "Hide and Q" would negate Picard's interest in Control, as he chastised Riker for accepting Q's tempting gift of power: "Perhaps they're remembering that old saying, 'power corrupts.' "  I don't have a quotation, yet, for why he would reject Refuse, but knowing that conventional victory is impossible and then letting everyone and all of civilization die probably, logically, wouldn't be accepted by Picard.

As to how Kirk and Spock would've handled the ending, I made a thread called How Kirk and Spock Handled the Ending, *Completely Devastated Edition*

Modifié par Deadpool9, 10 mars 2013 - 07:26 .

[BatmanTurian]

Mims wrote...

I like MEHEM! And believe me, I dislike the fact that EDI and the Geth are killed without so much as a nod in the ending slides.

But here is how I can rationalize it when not using the above mod or headcanoning they 'just got better'. And its pretty simple. WE are the only person who knows that every option will work. I can sit here pondering what choice to make because I know all the outcomes- Shepard doesn't. In Shepard's mind there's no reason to believe everything the Catalyst says.

In fact, even if Shepard believes she's possibly killing EDI and the Geth, she also believes she's going to die in the process.

I think a key factor in shoveling the guilt about this is that Shepard doesn't offer up EDI or the Geth as trade. It isn't a trade. Its the reapers that impose this demand- and my Shepard likely holds the majority of the blame towards the reapers for bringing them to that conclusion. They are the final casualties of a very brutal war.

a thousand times this

[Nicottia]

Shepard wanted and was told to destroy them Reapers since ME1. I'd rather ask, why would you suddenly change your mind? Because you don't want to lose EDI and the Geth?

You didn't want to lose Kaidan/Ashle (whomever you sacrificed) either, did you? That's the beauty of ME. Hard choices that have to be made.

Also, logically the destruction is the best ending. Why? The Reapers, EDI and the Geth (and all other synthetics out there) don't explode, they're just neutralized and shut down. I'd not call it a critical overload tho. That doesn't prevent you from salvaging the data (tho I'm sure some of the databanks got wiped out) and recovering them, does it? The ending clearly shows that the Reapers just fall down on the ground, slightly overloaded. That would be silly of everyone not to study them further, recover and use whatever advanced tech that can be salvaged.

Letting the Reapers live is too risky... way too many loose ends and... nasty possibilities are there.

Modifié par Nicottia, 10 mars 2013 - 06:52 .

[Rip504]

Fact:Shepard is considered a Hero after choosing Destroy.

*Stands up in Living room and does the Shepard Hero Dance* (Dancing Like Shepard)

[Spartas Husky]

Because nothing that happened after the beam was real!

[DeinonSlayer]

I first posted this in a different thread, but it applies here:

DeinonSlayer wrote...

When I first played Bring Down The Sky, I tried both outcomes. I spoke with Kate Bowman, learned that it was her brother we saw executed earlier, got a sense of who this woman was who was brave enough to break radio silence to try to give me intel.

I then reloaded the save before that, and did what I knew was right - sacrificed her life and that of the other two engineers to thwart Balak's escape, and ensure he could never harm anyone again. I knew who I was sacrificing. As much as it hurts, as cold as it may sound, I knew it was the right choice.

That perspective, that humanizing conversation, puts the weight of the choice in focus. Her sacrifice is not an easy thing to stomach, but I know it has to be done. It is no different with EDI now. Seeing the humanity she gains, shaped by your influence... it does not sway my ultimate decision for even a moment's pause, but it brings the true weight of it to light.

I have to applaud the writing in that it makes you care about these people to such a degree.

[cdzander]

It's a video game. I've played through it four times. I picked very ending at least once.

[ConanTheLeader]

They are just robots, build them again if its so bad but they are not living creatures. Didn't anyone think the whole Joker & EDI thing was creepy?

[DeinonSlayer]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

They are just robots, build them again if its so bad but they are not living creatures. Didn't anyone think the whole Joker & EDI thing was creepy?

Hated the character design, liked the character. I don't really think it's any of my business where Joker sticks it so long as it doesn't disrupt his ability to perform his duties. As far as her being a robot, Shepard is in a relationship with an immuno-deficient, dextro-amino based alien woman whom he has exactly zero chance of impregnating (or was it a turian? Or a drell? Or a woman artificially grown in a lab with a converted Y-chromosome? Or a Chobot? Or a...) - really, who is Shepard to judge?

That said, I've shaken up the dialogue in alternate playthroughs, and it's interesting how things branch out if you dissuade EDI and Joker from hooking up. It's worth trying at least once - speak to her in Purgatory, and EDI isn't sure where she fits in the Normandy's command structure.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Because the Geth can be rebuilt. For example, EDI's memories can be backed up. The Geth don't have any feelings, except for Legion.

You can't do that with a human. Geth>Space rats.

[shodiswe]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Because the Geth can be rebuilt. For example, EDI's memories can be backed up. The Geth don't have any feelings, except for Legion.

You can't do that with a human. Geth>Space rats.

And how do you know the other Geth havn't got "feelings" but Legion has them? I guess you must know a lot of them.

It's hard to say anyone who's shoting at you, like those mercs or pirates or whatever has feelings, they chertainly arn't showing it.

Killing the geth and rebuilding them would be like shooting a random human you don't know, then clone them and claim everything is ok.

[PainCakesx]

shodiswe wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Because the Geth can be rebuilt. For example, EDI's memories can be backed up. The Geth don't have any feelings, except for Legion.

You can't do that with a human. Geth>Space rats.

And how do you know the other Geth havn't got "feelings" but Legion has them? I guess you must know a lot of them.

It's hard to say anyone who's shoting at you, like those mercs or pirates or whatever has feelings, they chertainly arn't showing it.

Killing the geth and rebuilding them would be like shooting a random human you don't know, then clone them and claim everything is ok.

So you're okay with the alternative? A galaxy forever under the shadow of its overlord (Shepalyst) or forced genetic manipulation on a galactic scale?