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[AllThatJazz]

Because Destroy is completing Shepard's mission, as I saw it. Which was to destroy the Reapers. I don't want a galaxy in which they still exist, even under the control of Shepard (which I think is a tenuous solution anyway), and definitely not by forcibly changing everyone's DNA in order to accommodate the Reaper's survival. Yes, killing the Geth is atrocious - but then I think there are appalling aspects to all of the choices.

Had the situation been different, and it had been a Geth standing before the Catalyst with these options, I believe they would have reached consensus that the destruction of one race in order to help preserve all the rest both present and future is an acceptable, if horrific, loss. Particularly if that race can be recreated to an extent, albeit not exactly. Destroy may mark the end of these specific Geth, but not of all Geth forever. To me, Control and Synthesis mark a permanent end to any kind of self-determination for the galaxy, which in the long run is worse (again, to me).

Besides, pretty much as MinttyMint said, in my personal headcanon the Geth are just disabled temporarily by the Destroy beam and are eventually reactivated, self-awareness and individual personalities and all. Perfect! x

[Enhanced]

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 mars 2013 - 02:26 .

[Fixers0]

Because I do not recognize them.

Modifié par Fixers0, 08 mars 2013 - 02:28 .

[mumba]

They aren't alive. They can be rebuilt.

[cyrslash1974]

Enhanced wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It's what the catalyst said, but I think he 's wrong.

[Colancio]

Javik minded all the way, I didn't like the sex bot and the geth were only a good resource to use against the reapers but they are still machines.

[Enhanced]

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It's what the catalyst said, but I think he 's wrong.

You haven't played Leviathan DLC?

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 mars 2013 - 02:35 .

[cyrslash1974]

Mumba1511 wrote...

They aren't alive. They can be rebuilt.

Their bodies, yes, but with a different bluebox, so their "personnality" won't be the same (codex AI on ME1)

[Ophiskc]

Enhanced wrote...

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It doesn't mean there will be never chaos in the future. And organics being eliminated by synthetics is evitable, the Geth proved so.

[Dr_Extrem]

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

They aren't alive. They can be rebuilt.

Their bodies, yes, but with a different bluebox, so their "personnality" won't be the same (codex AI on ME1)

while this is entirely true, geth have no bluebox - they are pure software. they could install themselfes on onmitools.

[ElSuperGecko]

Why not MEHEM? Because it's fan fiction.

[DeinonSlayer]

Enhanced wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

Who's to say that wasn't a byproduct of the Leviathans themselves? If all of the races back then were enthralled, that's a levelling factor - an outside homogenizing influence imposed from above which altered behavior and channeled everyone down similar paths. Organics were under their control, synthetics were not. A pattern of initial variables would result in a pattern of outcomes - the deck was stacked, but that outside influence is not being enforced now. Also, bear in mind who coded the brat in the first place. We're really supposed to take his word for it?

[cyrslash1974]

Enhanced wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It's what the catalyst said, but I think he 's wrong.

You haven't played Leviathan DLC?

touché

I was waiting for all ME3 DLCs to replay the... trilogy ^^

[Dr_Extrem]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Why not MEHEM? Because it's fan fiction.

why care? ... there is no canon and the next-gen consoles (at least the ps4) will not even have save import ..

[Argolas]

Enhanced wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It's what the catalyst said, but I think he 's wrong.

You haven't played Leviathan DLC?

Organic life as a whole was never threatened, only the species that created them. The Intelligence was a precaution that backfired.

Organics won every war against Synthetics so far- except when the Reapers themselves were involved.

[MetioricTest]

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

[Dieb]

Because it's the way I think. And I like the endings, because they showed me that. I do not value synthetic life as much as organic life.

If there would have been a way to save both, I would have done it - yes, even to the point of self-sacrifice. But all other choices are either entirely repulsive in their very foundation (control), or would make the galaxy something I didn't fight for (synthesis).

[LieutenantSarcasm]

MetioricTest wrote...

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

They won a temporary victory, as shown by the utter devastation when the quarian fleet struck back. Had the reapers not intervened, all geth would be dead. Smoking scrap metal.

[fr33stylez]

Ophiskc wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It doesn't mean there will be never chaos in the future. And organics being eliminated by synthetics is evitable, the Geth proved so.

Um, what?

Modifié par fr33stylez, 08 mars 2013 - 02:54 .

[EarthboundNess]

I hate the collateral damage of destroy, but I personally cant see a positive outcome from either synthesis or control in the long term. Therefore, destroy is my only option.

Modifié par Earthbound N, 08 mars 2013 - 02:54 .

[Fairybolt]

Honestly, I am of the opinion that Javik and the Catalyst are probably right. They have significantly more data on the relationship between synthetics and organics. I also believe, though, that there are few inevitables and certaintys in life and that it shouldn't be my decision to guide life in any specific direction. Choice is always paramount.

So, the Reapers had to go.

Plus, I had already done in the geth, and I did that specifically because Koris and Tali mourned the war and started to see the geth in a new light. he quarians demonstrated room to grow for me. Legion, while performing the upload, was immensely cold and calculating about destroying the quarians. He managed to destroy my faith in the geth in just a few lines, and so I stopped him. If anything, the conversation with EDI following that action is what annoyed me the most about the game. They can't account for my feelings, of course, but what EDI said was way off base as to why the quarians came out alive and the geth did not.

[KwangtungTiger]

MetioricTest wrote...

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

 For a short time yes. But in my play through the geth are quite easily destroyed by me and they quarians.

 And the protheans destroyed the zha'til even after the reapers upgraded them. 

 Now at the end, even the catalyst and the reapers have/can be destroyed by organics.

[DeinonSlayer]

MetioricTest wrote...

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

They got burned for trying to comply with a law imposed from above by the Citadel Council. Outlawed by an organization that hunted the Rachni to extinction, sterilized the Krogan, and whose enforcers would later bombard Shanxi because an unknown, uninitiated species was spotted trying to open a dormant relay nearby.

Had the Citadel Council helped the Quarians when they needed it, or not pre-emptively outlawed AI to begin with, we'd have been looking at a different outcome. I'd say the same for the Protheans and the Zha, but even that was an example of Reaper corruption. If organic races help each other when existential threats rise up, there's no limit to what they can accomplish.

Destroy is a declaration of trust that the galaxy's inhabitants, organic and synthetic, can find their own way forward as we are. We don't need to be fundamentally altered, and we don't need an unassailable, unaccountable overlord "protecting" us from what we might do.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 mars 2013 - 02:59 .

[LieutenantSarcasm]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

They got burned for trying to comply with a law imposed from above by the Citadel Council. Outlawed by an organization that hunted the Rachni to extinction, sterilized the Krogan, and whose enforcers would later bombard Shanxi because an unknown, uninitiated species was spotted trying to open a dormant relay nearby.

Had the Citadel Council helped the Quarians when they needed it, or not pre-emptively outlawed AI to begin with, we'd have been looking at a different outcome. I'd say the same for the Protheans and the Zha, but even that was an example of Reaper corruption. If organic races help each other when existential threats rise up, there's no limit to what they can accomplish.

The AI ban was only implemented in the wake of the geth war, NOT before. The Quarians had an embassy before the war, as well. Still, in the long run, the organics are winning the wars.

[KwangtungTiger]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

They got burned for trying to comply with a law imposed from above by the Citadel Council. Outlawed by an organization that hunted the Rachni to extinction, sterilized the Krogan, and whose enforcers would later bombard Shanxi because an unknown, uninitiated species was spotted trying to open a dormant relay nearby.

Had the Citadel Council helped the Quarians when they needed it, or not pre-emptively outlawed AI to begin with, we'd have been looking at a different outcome. I'd say the same for the Protheans and the Zha, but even that was an example of Reaper corruption. If organic races help each other when existential threats rise up, there's no limit to what they can accomplish.

Exactly this.