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[CronoDragoon]

MEHEM is not an ending. It's a fanfic.

I pick Destroy because I consider the alternatives to be worse in terms of potential consequences.

As for the whole chaos thing, war is going to be a product of valuing autonomy and self-determination. If ending war was the only thing you cared about, the best choice would be Control.

[Ophiskc]

fr33stylez wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It doesn't mean there will be never chaos in the future. And organics being eliminated by synthetics is evitable, the Geth proved so.

Um, what?

The Geth by nature never had intentions of going and kill all organics

[DeinonSlayer]

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

They got burned for trying to comply with a law imposed from above by the Citadel Council. Outlawed by an organization that hunted the Rachni to extinction, sterilized the Krogan, and whose enforcers would later bombard Shanxi because an unknown, uninitiated species was spotted trying to open a dormant relay nearby.

Had the Citadel Council helped the Quarians when they needed it, or not pre-emptively outlawed AI to begin with, we'd have been looking at a different outcome. I'd say the same for the Protheans and the Zha, but even that was an example of Reaper corruption. If organic races help each other when existential threats rise up, there's no limit to what they can accomplish.

The AI ban was only implemented in the wake of the geth war, NOT before. The Quarians had an embassy before the war, as well. Still, in the long run, the organics are winning the wars.

Not according to the books and ME1 dialogue. Tali tells you they were skirting the law, but never did anything illegal. Creating an AI is considered a crime against the entire galaxy, on par with unleashing von Neumann machines, biological warfare, and asteroid drops.

[Sagar DKar]

I didn't trust star freak child anyway. I thought it was lying. It didn't want Shepard to kill it as destroy would have done. Just shoot it and you can see its real intentions - Make everyone a husk (synthesis) or make you a reaper (control). I believe the Geth and Edi survived.

[LieutenantSarcasm]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Not according to the books and ME1 dialogue. Tali tells you they were skirting the law, but never did anything illegal. Creating an AI is considered a crime against the entire galaxy, on par with unleashing von Neumann machines, biological warfare, and asteroid drops.

I really am quite sure you are confused, the citadel archives for example show AI's pulled out of service aboard a Council naval vessel, the same year of the geth war. And from the AI's response, this was a sudden judgment just made.

Modifié par LieutenantSarcasm, 08 mars 2013 - 03:07 .

[Mixon]

because Destroyer ending is the only way to make Shep alive even if there will no be any story with him, it's important to remember him alive and safe. He deserved to live calm his rest of life.

[DeinonSlayer]

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

The AI ban was only implemented in the wake of the geth war, NOT before. The Quarians had an embassy before the war, as well. Still, in the long run, the organics are winning the wars.

Not according to the books and ME1 dialogue. Tali tells you they were skirting the law, but never did anything illegal. Creating an AI is considered a crime against the entire galaxy, on par with unleashing von Neumann machines, biological warfare, and asteroid drops.

I really am quite sure you are confused, the citadel archives for example show AI's pulled out of service aboard a Council naval vessel, the same year of the geth war. And from the AI's response, this was a sudden judgment just made.

I saw that too. We have little context for that scene - where those AI came from, who made them, and what they were doing there. It's possible their development was sanctioned - in the modern timeline, the Council permits Synthetic Insights to research AI, another company may have been granted a similar waiver back then. I replayed ME1 quite recently, and I can assure you that AI research was just as illegal then as it is now.

A work force like the Geth would have made the Quarians an economic powerhouse. It makes sense that there would be competing firms. Given that they have five fingers, I'm going to guess they were an Asari creation.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 mars 2013 - 03:12 .

[Giantdeathrobot]

Because I think the selective destruction of the synthetics is simply Bioware trying to make Destroy arbitrarily less attractive in favor of the others. Control only affects the Reapers, but Destroy somehow kills EDI and the Geth too? And this isin't even explained, it's just a throwaway line? It reeks of the writer(s) figuring out that that option is just more attractive to many and that they have throw a completely illogical disadvantage in there to justify you not taking it.

To be clear; if Destroy, say, made the Reapers explode so that both Earth and the fleet would be severely damaged (a logical conclusion of their absurdly massive Mass Effect cores overloading), I would be OK with that, it makes sense and it gives the Destroy ending a consequence (which it needs). If Control also targeted synthetics with Reaper code, I would be fine and dandy with it too, there's a logic and consistency behind that. As it is, there is no explanation as to why Destroy kills all synthetics but Control leaves them be, so I consider the death of EDI and the Geth an outstandingly poor narrative device, so bad that I can't not meta and accept it in-universe, it's just so disgustingly convenient and arbitrary.

If I had to, I'd say in-universe it's the ruthless calculus of war. Some will die to save the others. The Geth and EDI die so that the rest of the galaxy is free of the Reapers, forever. The fact that they are synthetics, I don't care about; had it been the Salarian, Asari, Krogan, even mankind that had to be sacrificied, I would have done it. Yes it sucks, yes it's a decision Shepard makes for them. But it's no different than (say) saving 3 planets at the expense of letting one burn.

[Enhanced]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

Not in my game they didn't.

Morning War. That's when the Quarians lost their own planet to their creations

[Steelcan]

Because I don't care about the geth dying. At all.

[Steelcan]

Enhanced wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

^ Geth beat the Quarians.

Not in my game they didn't.

Morning War. That's when the Quarians lost their own planet to their creations

. The only relevant outcome is the outcome on Rannoch.  The Catalyst says all organics WILL be destroyed, Rannoch proves him wrong.

[Fawx9]

Enhanced wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Pakundo wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Because the synthetics can be rebuilt to exact specifications.

It's a non-issue.

http://masseffect.wi...al_Intelligence

Which the Geth aren't.

The only AI you kill is EDI.

lol what?

Tell me, do the Geth have blue boxes?

[Barquiel]

Pakundo wrote...

 Provided you're not Javik-minded, and you liked EDI, the Geth and every A.I. that isn't an absolute crapshoot, why can you accept Destroy?
Why not cast it away, along with the lol-Shepard-dies-lol-sacrifice endings that're Control and Synthesis?
(Refuse isn't counted, doesn't matter that Shepard stands by their principle - everybody dies.)

Why not MEHEM?

I am sorry that EDI and the Geth died, especially because I saved the Geth over the Quarians (the Citadel DLC didn't help either...it made me really love EDI), but I just can't pick Control or Synthesis. Synthesis requires altering how life in the entire galaxy operates while Control is simply too risky imo. MEHEM is nice, but it's fanfiction

[Artifex_Imperius]

in destroy, Im sad edi had to die! but the GETH NO. GETH are the MOST EVIL by FAR. its not that they wipe out the quarians. its because they follow SIMPLE LOGIC. and the HERETIC GETH were the GOOD GETH make no mistake about it.

reapers synthetic that fight for the survival of organics. goes out of its logical though to save organics, self preservation is only second to the survival of organics.

geth- fight for self preservation at all cost even at the cost of organics. eventuality will have no need for organics. geth use reaper technology to destroy organics.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 08 mars 2013 - 03:43 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

in destroy, Im sad edi had to die! but the GETH NO. GETH are the MOST EVIL by FAR. its not that they wipe out the quarians. its because they follow SIMPLE LOGIC. and the HERETIC GETH were the GOOD GETH make no mistake about it.

*slowly blinks*

...okay?

[ChrisDV]

Because it means the Reapers are no longer looming above us.

[Enhanced]

Argolas wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...


Destroy: Reapers are destroyed, no more danger to the galaxy. Synthetics, which have reaper code inside of them, also get destroyed, eliminating any possibility of reaper corruption and eventually chaos.
I like EDI and the Geth, but for me to destroy them was the most reasonable solution, wanting to get rid of anything intelligent reaper related. Is regrettable but necessary action for me.

Chaos existed before the Reapers. Remember, they were created to stop the chaos before all organics in the galaxy get eliminated by synthetics. It's inevitable.

It's what the catalyst said, but I think he 's wrong.

You haven't played Leviathan DLC?

Organic life as a whole was never threatened, only the species that created them. The Intelligence was a precaution that backfired.

Organics won every war against Synthetics so far- except when the Reapers themselves were involved.

Right. But, eventually there won't be any advanced species left. You don't see their point?

Modifié par Enhanced, 08 mars 2013 - 03:23 .

[Kel Riever]

OP: Because I can't accept the stupidity the moment the glowjob opens its mouth. It has less to do with Destroy and more to do with the whole end of the game is dumb.

You asked.

[d-boy15]

may be, I'm a cold blood killer who just want a pointless breath scene to head canon further
about reunion with LI or racist about synthetic race... hey! I might be an a-hole that blow all
synthetic just to prevent Joker from getting laid.

because you know what? I think many peoples who choose destroy already answer this for
many times... perhaps my answer can satisfy you more than their.

[Lilla Snorkan]

Meh, couldn't care less about EDI. The geth i do feel kinda bad for, but it would have made no sense for my Shepard to take starbrat at his word and simply abandon the mission he'd been trying to accomplish since the very beginning.Destroy it is.

[Jonathan Sud]

I can accept it because its mandatory. As much as I like EDI and the Geth, they will always be machines. And they can be rebuilt. 

[Bfler]

Without MEHEM there isn't an alternative. I don't want to switch the kid AI against a Shepard AI dictator in control, synthesis is against every rule of nature and against the free will of people and refuse is game over with a Shepard who looks and acts like an idiot after his speech.

Destroy and MEHEM is what people usually do in war: Defeat the enemy at all cost.


My prefered ending would be the one from the Star Trek Destiny novels, where the Caeliar (Leviathans in ME), the peaceful creators of the Borg (Reapers), destroy the Borg hive mind, free all drones,  integrate the drones into their gestalt (the good Caeliar hive mind) and leave the galaxy with all Borg technology

Modifié par Bfler, 08 mars 2013 - 03:46 .

[Xilizhra]

Given the impossibility of somehow creating an import feature from ME3 into ME4 to take the ending into account (especially since the game ends without saving; the same thing happening in ME1 is why the human Councilor choice wasn't imported into ME2 and you had to decide it in conversation with Jacob and Miranda), it seems unlikely that the next game will be continuing from any of the three endings there in particular; hence, MEHEM will probably not be any less canon than the other three endings in that it can seem to have been logically chosen in the next game (assuming it's even a sequel).

Anyway. I choose Control, but I'm holding out for a Control version of MEHEM where Shepard also survives.

I can accept it because its
mandatory. As much as I like EDI and the Geth, they will always be
machines. And they can be rebuilt. 

In the same way that organics could theoretically be cloned and repopulated, perhaps.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 08 mars 2013 - 03:39 .

[DecCylonus]

If I choose synthesis, I fundamentally alter all life in the galaxy without their consent. If I choose control, I become the monster I set out to stop. Both choices are just as repugnant as wiping out the Geth.

Destroy is victory, period. Everyone knew the fight with the Reapers is a fight to the death. The Geth and EDI both chose to fight the Reapers. You don't make that choice without being willing to pay the price. Shepard has the responsibility of command and is used to it from an extraordinary career. In the end, Destroy makes the most sense according to the ruthless calculus of war. You expend some of your soldiers to achieve the objective. That is why I am comfortable choosing destroy with either a Paragon or a Renegade.