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[CronoDragoon]

Xilizhra wrote...
It is not a hurtful generality to acknowledge the complete annihilation of a species for what it is.

It is not a hurtful generality to acknowledge megalomanacial enslavery of a race for the purpose of an authoritarian state in the galaxy for what what it is.

I can play this game all day. Saying something doesn't make it true.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 08 mars 2013 - 05:42 .

[JG The Gamer]

Why can I accept the loss of all synthetics? The cost of not doing so is too high (Reapers will obliterate everyone else in the galaxy if I do not destroy them). Picking one of the other options goes with the idea that the Reapers are here to stay. With Destroy, the Reapers are gone.

GONE.

I personally find it funny that people utterly freeze at the idea of having to sacrifice the geth/EDI to wipe out the Reapers. I wasn't a fan of it either, but I didn't and couldn't let that stop me from shooting the tube. I also highly doubt that the geth will come back due to Council regulations banning the creation of AI. Plus I doubt the quarians want to do anything else that may threaten their chances of getting an embassy on the Citadel again once the war is over and things get rebuilt. Sucks for the geth, but it has to be done.

Why not MEHEM? Because I can handle making hard choices with major consequences. Plus I'm on XBox. 

[Xilizhra]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It is not a hurtful generality to acknowledge the complete annihilation of a species for what it is.

It is not a hurtful generality to acknowledge megalomanacial enslavery of a race for the purpose of an authoritarian state in the galaxy for what what it is.

I can play this game all day. Saying something doesn't make it true.

The Destroy ending shows the former. The Control ending does not show the latter.

[Kingthlayer]

I have no problems with sacrifice. Destroy eliminates the Reapers, and that is with any cost.

[CronoDragoon]

Xilizhra wrote...
The Destroy ending shows the former. The Control ending does not show the latter.

Please explain how Destroy is genocide, because the annihilation of a race doesn't make it so.

[Hexley UK]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Destroy ending shows the former. The Control ending does not show the latter.

Please explain how Destroy is genocide, because the annihilation of a race doesn't make it so.

"Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Schooled -

"Taught a lesson (the hard way), to lose humiliating"

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php

Modifié par Hexley UK, 08 mars 2013 - 05:52 .

[CaptainCommander]

To quote Hackett: "It will take time, but we can rebuild everything that was destroyed." They are machines and we can rebuild them. And given that the Normandy seems to function fine I assume some form of EDI exists still.

[CronoDragoon]

Hexley UK wrote...

"Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Thank you. Destroy is neither deliberate nor is it systematic. Although, if your intent was to destroy all synthetics then yeah it'd be approaching genocide. As it stands, it's a sucky side-effect for most Destroyers.

[Hexley UK]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

"Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Thank you. Destroy is neither deliberate nor is it systematic. Although, if your intent was to destroy all synthetics then yeah it'd be approaching genocide. As it stands, it's a sucky side-effect for most Destroyers.

It is deliberate...you deliberately press the destroy button.

[eye basher]

In the war against the reapers all species in the galaxy are assest and all assets are expendable. My job is to destroy the reapers and that's what destroy is mission acommplished.

[Avissel]

I just like to pretend he was wrong.

I hate the concept of the Reapers being Quasi Good Guys.

[luzburg]

machines can be rebuilt. for example the only thing edi misses afther the explotion is the bluebox

[Reapling]

The catalyst itself tells Shepard that the future generations will rebuild synthetics. Who's to believe that it's impossible to bring the Geth and EDI back? Besides, the Destroy ending (High EMS of course) is the one that provides the most closure (need a little more) in my opinion.

[Xilizhra]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

"Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Thank you. Destroy is neither deliberate nor is it systematic. Although, if your intent was to destroy all synthetics then yeah it'd be approaching genocide. As it stands, it's a sucky side-effect for most Destroyers.

It is deliberate; you make the choice to kill them all. You claim it's for a greater good... as has been the case for basically every genocide in our own world.

[CronoDragoon]

Hexley UK wrote...

It is deliberate...you deliberately press the destroy button.

That is not what the definition of genocide is trying to say. The question is one of intent. In cases of genocide in real life, the intent of the act is inseparable from the act itself. You kill a race because you want the race dead. If you want synthetics dead, then suddenly it changes the nature of the act.

[Xilizhra]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

It is deliberate...you deliberately press the destroy button.

That is not what the definition of genocide is trying to say. The question is one of intent. In cases of genocide in real life, the intent of the act is inseparable from the act itself. You kill a race because you want the race dead. If you want synthetics dead, then suddenly it changes the nature of the act.

Bull****. The purpose of many other genocides has been to protect one's own race from supposed corruption... much like this one in Destroy, where the obliteration of an entire species is an unfortunate side effect, but evidently not so unfortunate that you can't take another choice.

[Hexley UK]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

It is deliberate...you deliberately press the destroy button.

That is not what the definition of genocide is trying to say. The question is one of intent. In cases of genocide in real life, the intent of the act is inseparable from the act itself. You kill a race because you want the race dead. If you want synthetics dead, then suddenly it changes the nature of the act.

No but nice try.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

"Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Thank you. Destroy is neither deliberate nor is it systematic. Although, if your intent was to destroy all synthetics then yeah it'd be approaching genocide. As it stands, it's a sucky side-effect for most Destroyers.

It is deliberate; you make the choice to kill them all. You claim it's for a greater good... as has been the case for basically every genocide in our own world.

. It isn't deliberate.  The Catalyst does not say explicitly "This will kill the geth". It obviously does, but it wasnt the intent of Destroy.

[CronoDragoon]

Xilizhra wrote...
Bull****. The purpose of many other genocides has been to protect one's own race from supposed corruption... much like this one in Destroy, where the obliteration of an entire species is an unfortunate side effect, but evidently not so unfortunate that you can't take another choice.

Having something be an unfortunate side effect and the deliberate intent of an act are two mutually exclusive classifications.

[Lisa_H]

Because the price of their survival is simply too high. Destory kills a few, while synthesis violates every living being. Forcefully change all life in the galaxy in such a way goes against everything I believe in.
And control, I don't know what Shepard truly becomes after that, but no one should have that kind of power, and to doom shepard or anyone else to that kind of fate seems dangerous, and extremely cruel. If anyone told me that I could save a race of robots, but I would be forced to spend eternity as some kind of reaper consciousness I would shoot that pipe straight away. No one should be doomed to spend eternity in such a form.

Modifié par Lisa_H, 08 mars 2013 - 05:59 .

[eye basher]

History is written by the victor you call destroy genocide i call it mission acommplished.

[Xilizhra]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Bull****. The purpose of many other genocides has been to protect one's own race from supposed corruption... much like this one in Destroy, where the obliteration of an entire species is an unfortunate side effect, but evidently not so unfortunate that you can't take another choice.

Having something be an unfortunate side effect and the deliberate intent of an act are two mutually exclusive classifications.

Not as much as you'd like to think. You're making the deliberate choice to kill all the geth because killing the geth will prevent you from needing to pick Control or Synthesis.

[Urdnot Amenark]

Fawx9 wrote...

Pakundo wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Because the synthetics can be rebuilt to exact specifications.

It's a non-issue.

http://masseffect.wi...al_Intelligence

Which the Geth aren't.

The only AI you kill is EDI.

Not if the Geth upload the Reaper code. Then they become true AI also.

[Hexley UK]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

"Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Thank you. Destroy is neither deliberate nor is it systematic. Although, if your intent was to destroy all synthetics then yeah it'd be approaching genocide. As it stands, it's a sucky side-effect for most Destroyers.

It is deliberate; you make the choice to kill them all. You claim it's for a greater good... as has been the case for basically every genocide in our own world.

. It isn't deliberate.  The Catalyst does not say explicitly "This will kill the geth". It obviously does, but it wasnt the intent of Destroy.

Intent or not that's what it does and we as players know that's what it does.

Even if we didn't it's still "Accidental Genocide" but Genocide nonetheless.

[CronoDragoon]

Xilizhra wrote...
Not as much as you'd like to think. You're making the deliberate choice to kill all the geth because killing the geth will prevent you from needing to pick Control or Synthesis.

Something is either intended or it's not. A side effect is unintended.

Yes, I am making a choice to pick an ending that happens to kill the geth, because I think Control and Synthesis are worse. See how much more accurate we can be when we don't classify other people as monsters?