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[nicethugbert]

Companies either learn their lesson or go out of business. Customers either learn their lesson or keep buying garbage. I've learned my lesson. I'll wait long after a game is launched to see what it actually is. There is no sense in paying premium for a game. When customers finally learn this lesson, then so will game companies.

[corporal doody]

robarcool wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

being forced to always be online isnt new and it isnt just a EA thing.

Doesn't mean it's good. I don't buy Ubisoft games because of the Uplay. Now EA has crossed that line too. If this happens with every company I love, I would rather stop gaming than bend to these idiots.

no...doesnt mean it is good...but when someone wants to point a finger and say EA-oppression and blah blah...i scoff. 

this is just another attempt to shieyt on EA (not gonna defend everything they do..but this case is a non-issue)...when they are just following ESTABLISHED industry practices. sucks...but it aint just about EA.

Modifié par corporal doody, 08 mars 2013 - 05:10 .

[DoingItRight]

i get "Connection refused" from the link

[hawgwild5757]

I'm a capitalist at heart and I'm usually the first one to stand up for corporate greed, that is when "greed" is defined as staying profitable, providing jobs, paying taxes and first and foremost, providing a good product with good customer support. If that's greed, then we need a lot more of it.

But EA is one of those companies that I find hard to support. Their first layer of customer support ranges from horrible to downright abysmal. Once you get past the first layer it gets much better, those people actually care and want to help, but their knowledge is limited. I've never reached the third layer since the one major problem I had was solved by a BSN'er.

Their products are becoming subpar, but rushing a game to market with bugs and missing content is nothing new, those of you that think it is either have a very short memory or are very young because this has been going on since computer/video games were first made. There's a lot of pressure to bring a product to market and then "fix it" later.

As far as DLC sales and microtransactions are concerned, if the content is created at the same time as the game then removed and sold later, I think that's a little bit shady. But I don't think that's the case most of the time. It may be envisioned at the time the game is created, but I doubt it exists in any but the most rudimentary form. And microtransactions are a way to add longevity and profitability. But here's the rub, you aren't forced to buy either the SP DLC or use microtransactions. There are players here with hundreds of hours who have never purchased a SP DLC or payed for packs with real money. It's your choice, don't **** because you spent money you didn't have to.

As far as DRM is concerned, I find it hard to support that in any way in it's current forms. Exposing your paying customers to boatloads of aggravation to prevent theft is not productive, you'll lose more money than you save. Either find a way to cut back on piracy without harming your legit customers, or write it off as the cost of doing business. But whatever, just find a less intrusive method.

[billy the squid]

corporal doody wrote...

robarcool wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

being forced to always be online isnt new and it isnt just a EA thing.

Doesn't mean it's good. I don't buy Ubisoft games because of the Uplay. Now EA has crossed that line too. If this happens with every company I love, I would rather stop gaming than bend to these idiots.

no...doesnt mean it is good...but when someone wants to point a finger and say EA-oppression and blah blah...i scoff. 

this is just another attempt to shieyt on EA (not gonna defend everything they do..but this case is a non-issue)...when they are just following ESTABLISHED industry practices. sucks...but it aint just about EA.

Well that's why Sim city is taking a vast amount of flak, just like Diablo 3 and all the ubisoft games which have always online DRM.  And established industry practice my arse. Ubisoft backed down, after every PC game using online DRM they released was hacked, pirated and the DRM removed then distributed across the net. 

Ubisoft backed off when they finally realised they weren't going to win that round.

[Nitrocuban]

Klokos wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Origin just shows us how good Steam actually works.
btw: had my 2nd Online Passcode Issue yesterday, still not fully fixed, EA support told me to "wait for the next ME3 patch". Lovely.

Origin isn't the issue here, contact @AskEASupport on twitter to get your nline pass issue fixed in ~10 minutes instead of the rather bad livechat.

I don't have twitter but maybe I try it via email. Thanks anyway.

[Blind2Society]

DoingItRight wrote...

i get "Connection refused" from the link

Yeah, Yahoo's gaming section seems to be down for some reason.

EDIT: Should be up now.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 08 mars 2013 - 05:49 .

[Klokos]

hawgwild5757 wrote...


As far as DRM is concerned, I find it hard to support that in any way in it's current forms. Exposing your paying customers to boatloads of aggravation to prevent theft is not productive, you'll lose more money than you save. Either find a way to cut back on piracy without harming your legit customers, or write it off as the cost of doing business. But whatever, just find a less intrusive method.

That's the issues, there doesn't seem to be any easy way to "fight" against pirate without annoying legit customers, companies seems to try different things but it never really works.

[78stonewobble]

@hawgwild5757: Heh... Well I'm perhaps even socialist in some areas, but I do think that private enterprise is a good thing. With one caveat though.

People should be awarded for being "smart". Ie. making a better TV, a more stylish tv, a low energy consumption TV... Rather than being "smart" at selling TV's that crap out on people or lying about specifications and what not.

But thats another debate.



Regarding DRM: God I hate the idea, but the fact of the matter is that it's too easy to get a pirated version. However when the pirates arguably get a better version of the game because the DRM was taken out, then I do believe you're actually pushing people to pirate the game.

In anycase I don't see the point in having to force customers to be allways online. Lets keep it to an online activation thingy mobob once per install. Or something like what windows does.

[MichaelFinnegan]

billy the squid wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

robarcool wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

being forced to always be online isnt new and it isnt just a EA thing.

Doesn't mean it's good. I don't buy Ubisoft games because of the Uplay. Now EA has crossed that line too. If this happens with every company I love, I would rather stop gaming than bend to these idiots.

no...doesnt mean it is good...but when someone wants to point a finger and say EA-oppression and blah blah...i scoff. 

this is just another attempt to shieyt on EA (not gonna defend everything they do..but this case is a non-issue)...when they are just following ESTABLISHED industry practices. sucks...but it aint just about EA.

Well that's why Sim city is taking a vast amount of flak, just like Diablo 3 and all the ubisoft games which have always online DRM.  And established industry practice my arse. Ubisoft backed down, after every PC game using online DRM they released was hacked, pirated and the DRM removed then distributed across the net. 

Ubisoft backed off when they finally realised they weren't going to win that round.

Here.

Always on DRM doesn't quite work as one expects.

[Nitrocuban]

I never ever thought about pirating games, I pay for games I enjoy and Steam is more of a service for me than DRM punishment.
But every time Origin locks me out of ME3 I begin to think that pirating it instead of paying 100.- for it and getting effed by Origin on a regular basis could have been the better option.

[Blind2Society]

MichaelFinnegan wrote...

Here.

Always on DRM doesn't quite work as one expects.

That was a great thing on Ubis part and EA needs to follow suit.

[billy the squid]

Klokos wrote...

hawgwild5757 wrote...


As far as DRM is concerned, I find it hard to support that in any way in it's current forms. Exposing your paying customers to boatloads of aggravation to prevent theft is not productive, you'll lose more money than you save. Either find a way to cut back on piracy without harming your legit customers, or write it off as the cost of doing business. But whatever, just find a less intrusive method.

That's the issues, there doesn't seem to be any easy way to "fight" against pirate without annoying legit customers, companies seems to try different things but it never really works.

It does seem to be the mentality of "if we could only stop piracy then those people would have to buy the game too" unfortunately those people were never going to buy the game in the first place, it's a way of covering their arse I think. When share holders go to a meeting and ask what they're doing to prevent errosion of a revenue stream, "well we've implemented a tough new.. blah, blah, blah, blah."

Rather it causes those who actually buy the game more aggrivation than anyone else. Hell I can do without the game, it's meant to be used to relax in my free time, not fight with various invasive DRMs. Frankly I've refused to pick up any Ubisoft game for years, because they did this. I just refuse to buy games like that, I might even pirate it just because I can, even if I have no intention of playing it. 

[eye basher]

scream and complain all you want it won't change anything.

[DesioPL]

RIP Command & Conquer...

[JohnDoe]

unfortunately, this happens with every big company.. anyone remembers how bad was the Diablo 3 Launch?

[Hausner85]

I made the decisions to avoid buying and EA products in the future. I will probably buy ME4 and DA3 but i will never ever buy any race sim, shooters, RTS, sport games and anything else.

Look what they done to new Simcity... The game is hugely overpriced, unfinished in two years you won't be able to plat it when they shutdown the servers, there will be no mods and despite you already paid a lot for the game they will try to force you to pay for new buildings (the didn't include subway for that purpose) and some essentials like bigger land titles so you can have a city bigger then 30k-50k. And of course DRM+Origin...

[AndanteInBlue]

EA ruins everything >.>

They did already change their tune about microtransactions though. They've revised an earlier statement that they want to include microtransactions in everything, to focusing them on mobile free-to-play games.

[78stonewobble]

JohnDoe wrote...

unfortunately, this happens with every big company.. anyone remembers how bad was the Diablo 3 Launch?

Even back in the days with cd keys and a relatively popular TFC (before cs even went beta) I remember completely overloaded fileservers for any and all new patches for it.

So yeh... those peak load moments have been there for ages.

[MichaelFinnegan]

eye basher wrote...

scream and complain all you want it won't change anything.

What won't what change? It seems to me that profits in the longer run will be an indicator of how well something worked in the marketplace. Things either work or they don't. It is my opinion that always on DRM is just a passing fad - an inappropriate solution to a more or less imagined problem.

[RaptorSolutions]

DesioPL wrote...

RIP Command & Conquer...

I was so happy to hear about Generals 2, until I heard what they are going to do with it.

[Hausner85]

eye basher wrote...

scream and complain all you want it won't change anything.

So you're telling use if a large number of user don't buy their game and will by others instead nothing will change? If i remember correctly EA was losing money in last few years...

[Klokos]

eye basher wrote...

scream and complain all you want it won't change anything.

Except it does, EA or any company can't ignore fan reactions forever, if anything EC prove that screaming and complaining can do something (wether you're happy about EC content or not).

[billy the squid]

eye basher wrote...

scream and complain all you want it won't change anything.

It might not in this game's case. But it's worked before, and it will work again. Unless they like people pirating the crap out of their games or just refusing to buy them. I'm not going to list all the examples of where getting companies to back peddle on invasive DRM has worked.

Sims like Diablo is a bit different, they built it from the ground up to require an online connection, because I believe certain assets are stored server side, rather than locally. It was specific design choice to force online connections in. Hence it's currently getting trashed.

[Chevyboy88]

EA will continue to be the EA we know now as long as people continue to purchase half finished, DLC packed games festering with DRM and poor support, both customer and servers for said games.

I remember a few months back seeing some stories about how EA's stock was falling considerably, this is the only way this dense company will ever get the message, through sales. That said I don't think they will ever figure it out, plenty of companies have gone bankrupt before being able to put 2 and 2 together and I suspect this would be the case with EA if it ever came to that.

ME3 was the last EA purchase I made, and ME2 before that (I had BF3 gifted from a friend and played it all of a week) and the only reason I even purchased those is because hey, it's ME. I will not be purchasing further ME games as to me, the series was destroyed with that train wreck of an ending but that's another story for another time.

For all the whining people do, justified or not, nothing will change if people don't speak with their wallets.