Count me among those who, even after all this time, am still dissatisfied with the ending.. There is no doubt that Mass Effect, since its beginning, was my favorite IP.. I still can't wrap my head around the ending, even with the extended cut..
Seriously Bioware.. Its not too late to earn an epic place in video game history.. Fix the ending with one last "choice actually matters and hey why not a happy ending option" DLC..
Hold the Line.. For life..
The writers of ME3 should have killed their darlings
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#152
Posté 14 mars 2013 - 01:26
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Endings are good and fitting.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 03:53
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That really depends on your personal standards of storytelling coherence and consistency.Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
Endings are good and fitting.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 03:58
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#155
Posté 14 mars 2013 - 03:59
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Take a gander at the last link in my sig, mate.
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#156
Posté 14 mars 2013 - 04:08
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OP: Yep.
Don't listen to the naysayers to your post. They have no legitimate retort. Liking something is entirely different from it having flaws. And nobody retorting has any ground to stand on, other than, "I like it, even if it is grossly flawed."
You took a lot of time, I read it. I doubt BioWare is smart enough to take the correction, but it was a worthwhile read for anyone else paying attention and who played Mass Effect 3.
Don't listen to the naysayers to your post. They have no legitimate retort. Liking something is entirely different from it having flaws. And nobody retorting has any ground to stand on, other than, "I like it, even if it is grossly flawed."
You took a lot of time, I read it. I doubt BioWare is smart enough to take the correction, but it was a worthwhile read for anyone else paying attention and who played Mass Effect 3.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 04:57
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Mordanticus wrote...
Seriously Bioware.. Its not too late to earn an epic place in video game history.. Fix the ending with one last "choice actually matters and hey why not a happy ending option" DLC..
It's been a year and this board stil can't come up with a more accurate phrase than that?
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 05:16
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AlanC9 wrote...
Mordanticus wrote...
Seriously Bioware.. Its not too late to earn an epic place in video game history.. Fix the ending with one last "choice actually matters and hey why not a happy ending option" DLC..
It's been a year and this board stil can't come up with a more accurate phrase than that?
What do you mean? Mordanticus actually managed to rally the entirety of this boards active members to help him phrase that sentence?
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 05:27
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Well that's one way to sum up the OP.chmarr wrote...
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 05:33
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chmarr wrote...
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CH + Deux Ex: Human Revolutions + supermac = worst endings delivered by bioware in their gaming history.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 05:33
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Bill Casey wrote...
I think the underlying racism and war crime worship are far bigger issues for the ending...
What racism and war crimes? Not trolling, just want your take.
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I'm just going out on a limb here, but:Jukaga wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
I think the underlying racism and war crime worship are far bigger issues for the ending...
What racism and war crimes? Not trolling, just want your take.
Racism = Destroy.
War Crime = Synthesis.
Where that leaves Control, I don't know.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:06
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It is very easy to see an undercurrent of racism in the Synthesis ending and "genocide" in Destroy, not to mention facism and slavery in Control while we're at it. Unintentional though they may be, that does not excuse their presence.
Synthesis operates on the premise that since two different groups (i.e. organics and synthetics) are "inevitably" doomed to come into conflict than the only way to permanently address the issue is to remove any meaningful distinction from them. If we were to derive any applicability to that idea to real life it suddenly comes off as ridiculously prejudiced and cynical; even moreso when you consider one of the strongest themes of the ME games was that even if groups of people and even different species are different, those differences could be overcome and the galaxy as a whole was made better with that diversity.
Many people also equate Destroy as "justifying" genocide as it involves sacrificing the Geth and EDI in order to destroy the Reapers. If one considers the Reapers themselves to be valid embodiments of the species that were harvested to create them, it also technically means you destroy those species as well.
Control was actually rather ambigious until the EC, though with the EC it is made clear that the Reapers and their new master are here to stay and not going to sit idly by. While one could headcanon the Reapers as being "benevolent" peacekeepers or guardians, given their capabilities they literally can only do that through force, the threat of force, or literally mentally subjugating others and can also only keep serving such a role so long as they remain the dominant force in the galaxy. In short, if they honestly wanted to do things like prevent wars or conflict in any lasting capacity they would have to institute a galaxy-wide police state and if you do again see the Reapers as embodiments of the races used to create them, this regime would literally be built upon and enforced by countless numbers of slaves.
I would agree with the OP, because all the endings as they are, except perhaps refuse, utterly betray the themes that came before them throughout the Trilogy.
Synthesis operates on the premise that since two different groups (i.e. organics and synthetics) are "inevitably" doomed to come into conflict than the only way to permanently address the issue is to remove any meaningful distinction from them. If we were to derive any applicability to that idea to real life it suddenly comes off as ridiculously prejudiced and cynical; even moreso when you consider one of the strongest themes of the ME games was that even if groups of people and even different species are different, those differences could be overcome and the galaxy as a whole was made better with that diversity.
Many people also equate Destroy as "justifying" genocide as it involves sacrificing the Geth and EDI in order to destroy the Reapers. If one considers the Reapers themselves to be valid embodiments of the species that were harvested to create them, it also technically means you destroy those species as well.
Control was actually rather ambigious until the EC, though with the EC it is made clear that the Reapers and their new master are here to stay and not going to sit idly by. While one could headcanon the Reapers as being "benevolent" peacekeepers or guardians, given their capabilities they literally can only do that through force, the threat of force, or literally mentally subjugating others and can also only keep serving such a role so long as they remain the dominant force in the galaxy. In short, if they honestly wanted to do things like prevent wars or conflict in any lasting capacity they would have to institute a galaxy-wide police state and if you do again see the Reapers as embodiments of the races used to create them, this regime would literally be built upon and enforced by countless numbers of slaves.
I would agree with the OP, because all the endings as they are, except perhaps refuse, utterly betray the themes that came before them throughout the Trilogy.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:11
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Or is itArcian wrote...
I'm just going out on a limb here, but:Jukaga wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
I think the underlying racism and war crime worship are far bigger issues for the ending...
What racism and war crimes? Not trolling, just want your take.
Racism = Destroy.
War Crime = Synthesis.
Where that leaves Control, I don't know.
Racism=Synthesis (The ending basically says diverse peoples will never coexist unless they are all the same).
War Crime=Destroy (Genocide)
Could go either way.
#166
Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:12
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chmarr wrote...
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:12
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And Refuse is a giant 'screw you' anyway, where somebody else becomes the hero and your civilizations fade into the ether.
Why people can't understand that Mass Effect 3 keeps providing the laughs for years to come is beyond me. Every time I think about the ending(s), Starbrat, the lack of choice, the ornary insistence on not changing anything in any DLC,etc., and what BioWare people must be thinking, its like the gift that keeps on giving...in the sense of something to make fun of!
Why people can't understand that Mass Effect 3 keeps providing the laughs for years to come is beyond me. Every time I think about the ending(s), Starbrat, the lack of choice, the ornary insistence on not changing anything in any DLC,etc., and what BioWare people must be thinking, its like the gift that keeps on giving...in the sense of something to make fun of!
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:26
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I didn't realize that the Extended Cut had changed it so if you shot the Star Child you'd get the refuse ending. As someone who enjoyed shooting him for a little while at the end of my other two play throughs before picking my colour I did laugh when the third time he turned around and went all SO BE IT.
Like he finally snapped or something.
Like he finally snapped or something.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:35
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So is it true that a month before they wrote the endings Casey spent a month gushing about the Deus Ex sereis?
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:42
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I disagree. Plenty of people who role played their Shepard as believing the Reapers could/should be controlled, just that TIM shouldn't be the one to do it, would readily select Control even if it Destroy was a happy, no-downsides resolution. The same for Synthesis. It would likely be a metagaming call on a second play through, but options are important, even if there is one that is "obviously the best."Arcian wrote...
That's the problem with Destroy. If the writing made sense, EDI and the geth wouldn't die. And if they didn't, there would be no incentive to pick Control or Synthesis.
Also, there would definitely be a potential downside to Destroy: you could very well be damning the galaxy to the future that Catalyst envisions. At best you're merely passing the problem on to some future generation to solve.
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Posté 14 mars 2013 - 06:56
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https://twitter.com/...400850922053632WarGriffin wrote...
So is it true that a month before they wrote the endings Casey spent a month gushing about the Deus Ex sereis?
https://twitter.com/...174162557349888
Here are some quotes from twitter. I don't feel like digging for more.
