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[Red Panda]

levo + dextro = not viable

No expressively reproductive activities are able to be undertaken in the game as well.

[Karlone123]

hljhodr_sunda wrote...

Lol again. Asari logic and morality may not fall to same decision making as human. So, what we would consider "rape", Asari might just consider it a logical decision. She could possibly do so without consent. Even if you romance her, you don't technically give consent for her to have your child. Granted, I guess you could consider it implied... But there was no "have my babies, Liara". Shoot, even Sha'ira could technically have a Shep baby (pending she is still alive) or any other Asari Shep melded minds with.

All I'm saying is, it's possible. Probable? Eh... Don't know, don't care. But if something like this were to happen in an ME game post-reaper war, I wouldn't be surprised. It would be a way of preserving Shep... sort of. An NPC is an NPC...

How the hell does Asari pregnancy develop exactly? When does the Foetus start to grow, and when is it time to deliver? 9 months or 9 years?

Modifié par Karlone123, 09 mars 2013 - 07:23 .

[Aceattack]

OK where to start first off everyone that says it is possible naturally for Shepard and Tali to have a baby is 100% correct in nature two different species of totally different genetic structures could not reproduce, simple as that. On the other side of that everyone saying that it is scientifically impossible are 100% WRONG. Gene manipulation is a presently available technology now, 200 years in the future the science would be significantly more advanced. There is even a codex entry if I'm not mistaken that forbids in council space the creation of hybrids or new species of life more than likely they don't want any one with a God complex making waves.

In conclusion could it happen yes it could, will it happen I have no idea that's up to the writers. Personally I think its a cool game play mechanic that allows you to carry on your own personalized story doesn't need to be Tali or anyone just on general principal and since it would be up to the player to decide that it makes it unique.

[What a Succulent Ass]

No, dude. Seriously, no. Especially of species with opposite chirality.

[Aceattack]

Random Jerkface wrote...

No, dude. Seriously, no. Especially of species with opposite chirality.

So it I could list current day examples in which species or life in general of diffrent backgrounds have been cross breed in order to gain more favoriable traits what would you say ?

[JustGiveItUp]

Never go full r.

[Aceattack]

JustGiveItUp wrote...

Never go full r.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Aceattack, 10 mars 2013 - 12:17 .

[AlexMBrennan]

So it I could list current day examples in which species or life in general of diffrent backgrounds have been cross breed in order to gain more favoriable traits what would you say ?

I'd remind you look up the definition of "species" - two different species are by definition of "species" not able to produce viable offspring.

[JustGiveItUp]

Aceattack wrote...

JustGiveItUp wrote...

Never go full r.

www.youtube.com/watch

PREACH.

[AlphaDormante]

Do they even teach 9th grade biology anymore?

[Aceattack]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So it I could list current day examples in which species or life in general of diffrent backgrounds have been cross breed in order to gain more favoriable traits what would you say ?

I'd remind you look up the definition of "species" - two different species are by definition of "species" not able to produce viable offspring.

You are right there is no way for them to produce
viable offspring "Naturally" but, scientifically that is not the case
gene manipulation and other bioengineering technologies exist today in food and
plant production. It has been used to make plants that are in some cases more
suitable for arid environments to being increasing pest resistant, hell there
is even a genetically modified salmon that was supposed to be pending FDA
approval a few years ago ( not sure what happened to that ). Look don’t mistake
me I’m not advocating Tali babies I’m just explaining that there is a
scientific rooting in the possibility, and stating that I find the concept of a
sequel of mass effect being interesting if Shepard’s off spring were to be used
doesn’t matter who the babies daddy is

[RevenantWolf]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Do they even teach 9th grade biology anymore?

Obviously not in Canada because synthesis is just as stupid as the original post.

I mean seriously, they cannot find a way to have kids, but a colored wave of energy merges synthetics and organics? Science indeed......

[Only-Twin]

The only way it would be possible is if humans and quarians were somehow related...

Guys... What if...hey guys, what if...
Human and quarian life were seeded from a common ancestor.

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't think it's possible.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Aceattack wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So it I could list current day examples in which species or life in general of diffrent backgrounds have been cross breed in order to gain more favoriable traits what would you say ?

I'd remind you look up the definition of "species" - two different species are by definition of "species" not able to produce viable offspring.

You are right there is no way for them to produce
viable offspring "Naturally" but, scientifically that is not the case
gene manipulation and other bioengineering technologies exist today in food and
plant production. It has been used to make plants that are in some cases more
suitable for arid environments to being increasing pest resistant, hell there
is even a genetically modified salmon that was supposed to be pending FDA
approval a few years ago ( not sure what happened to that ). Look don’t mistake
me I’m not advocating Tali babies I’m just explaining that there is a
scientific rooting in the possibility, and stating that I find the concept of a
sequel of mass effect being interesting if Shepard’s off spring were to be used
doesn’t matter who the babies daddy is

>I'm in bioengineering.

The GMO salmon and plant products you're thinking of are the results of selective breeding, not AHGT synthetic biology as you're describing. Now, there are examples of "extreme" hybridisation, but that simply involves isolating specific sequences and inserting them into a recipient genome...and only in so far as, say, manufacturing animals that produce foreign polypeptides or have chimeric immune systems. There is currently no precedent for germline chimeras, especially if we're talking about non-somatic engineering. What you're suggesting is complete xenotransplantation between two fundamentally incompatible species (with opposite chirality), who evolved from completely separate phylogenies on separate worlds with separate evolutionary pressures in separate, alien conditions, and having the child somehow reflect both species phenotypically. That's mental.

And if by some miracle (or a show of the true powers of Satan, depending on how you look at it) a viable offspring were created, it would be sterile, there would be no way to predict the sort of cross species disease and/or deformation it would suffer from, and its entire existence would be a rights violation of unimaginable magnitude. It would be a fascinatingly ugly snowflake that would probably slaughter Tali and Shepard in their sleep.

[BioWareM0d13]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Aceattack wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So it I could list current day examples in which species or life in general of diffrent backgrounds have been cross breed in order to gain more favoriable traits what would you say ?

I'd remind you look up the definition of "species" - two different species are by definition of "species" not able to produce viable offspring.

You are right there is no way for them to produce
viable offspring "Naturally" but, scientifically that is not the case
gene manipulation and other bioengineering technologies exist today in food and
plant production. It has been used to make plants that are in some cases more
suitable for arid environments to being increasing pest resistant, hell there
is even a genetically modified salmon that was supposed to be pending FDA
approval a few years ago ( not sure what happened to that ). Look don’t mistake
me I’m not advocating Tali babies I’m just explaining that there is a
scientific rooting in the possibility, and stating that I find the concept of a
sequel of mass effect being interesting if Shepard’s off spring were to be used
doesn’t matter who the babies daddy is

>I'm in bioengineering.

The GMO salmon and plant products you're thinking of are the results of selective breeding, not AHGT synthetic biology as you're describing. Now, there are examples of "extreme" hybridisation, but that simply involves isolating specific sequences and inserting them into a recipient genome...and only in so far as, say, manufacturing animals that produce foreign polypeptides or have chimeric immune systems. There is currently no precedent for germline chimeras, especially if we're talking about non-somatic engineering. What you're suggesting is complete xenotransplantation between two fundamentally incompatible species (with opposite chirality), who evolved from completely separate phylogenies on separate worlds with separate evolutionary pressures in separate, alien conditions, and having the child somehow reflect both species phenotypically. That's mental.

And if by some miracle (or a show of the true powers of Satan, depending on how you look at it) a viable offspring were created, it would be sterile, there would be no way to predict the sort of cross species disease and/or deformation it would suffer from, and its entire existence would be a rights violation of unimaginable magnitude. It would be a fascinatingly ugly snowflake that would probably slaughter Tali and Shepard in their sleep.

Well done.

[Aceattack]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Aceattack wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

So it I could list current day examples in which species or life in general of diffrent backgrounds have been cross breed in order to gain more favoriable traits what would you say ?

I'd remind you look up the definition of "species" - two different species are by definition of "species" not able to produce viable offspring.

You are right there is no way for them to produce
viable offspring "Naturally" but, scientifically that is not the case
gene manipulation and other bioengineering technologies exist today in food and
plant production. It has been used to make plants that are in some cases more
suitable for arid environments to being increasing pest resistant, hell there
is even a genetically modified salmon that was supposed to be pending FDA
approval a few years ago ( not sure what happened to that ). Look don’t mistake
me I’m not advocating Tali babies I’m just explaining that there is a
scientific rooting in the possibility, and stating that I find the concept of a
sequel of mass effect being interesting if Shepard’s off spring were to be used
doesn’t matter who the babies daddy is

>I'm in bioengineering.

The GMO salmon and plant products you're thinking of are the results of selective breeding, not AHGT synthetic biology as you're describing. Now, there are examples of "extreme" hybridisation, but that simply involves isolating specific sequences and inserting them into a recipient genome...and only in so far as, say, manufacturing animals that produce foreign polypeptides or have chimeric immune systems. There is currently no precedent for germline chimeras, especially if we're talking about non-somatic engineering. What you're suggesting is complete xenotransplantation between two fundamentally incompatible species (with opposite chirality), who evolved from completely separate phylogenies on separate worlds with separate evolutionary pressures in separate, alien conditions, and having the child somehow reflect both species phenotypically. That's mental.

And if by some miracle (or a show of the true powers of Satan, depending on how you look at it) a viable offspring were created, it would be sterile, there would be no way to predict the sort of cross species disease and/or deformation it would suffer from, and its entire existence would be a rights violation of unimaginable magnitude. It would be a fascinatingly ugly snowflake that would probably slaughter Tali and Shepard in their sleep.

Excellent, I'm glad at least you responded in
detail, yes I agree with you 100% while I'm not in bioengineering myself
(electrical/electronic engineering) I get the general principals of the
science. And your right given current understanding of the science of genetics
using two completely different helixes with zero similarities would be
impossible and would require not just a complete mapping of both genomes but, a
fundamental understanding of every bond on a chain by chain basis. With all
that said this is 2013 not 2176, a 163 years of advancement in any science will
dramatically change the landscape hell look 20 years ahead in my industry and
we are looking at flexible inductors and Nano scale micro processing on
non-silicon based chips. 



On to the ethical level your right it is an ethic
nightmare I actually touched on that in an earlier post that if I wasn't
mistaken there was a codex entry that forbid this same type of bioengineering
to prevent hybrid species. My responses were never about the ethical boundaries
just on if it was plausible given possible advancements on existing technological
and scientific bedrock principals to which the answer is yes it is possible in
2176 but not today.


PS: The salmon was not made using cross breading : ."Their AquAdvantage salmon are Atlantic salmon that combine a growth hormone gene from Chinook salmon and a control gene from an eel-like creature called the ocean pout that cranks out the growth hormone. The result is that the AquAdvantage salmon grow faster, cutting the time to reach market weight by about half – 18 months compared instead of three years required by normal salmon. Despite the accelerated growth rate, the resultant salmon don’t grow to be any larger than their wild counterparts."

Modifié par Aceattack, 10 mars 2013 - 03:36 .

[Osena109]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Both adoption and having children are equally special. I just find it slightly annoying the OP is deluding himself into thinking that Dextro/Levo children is possible...

I would like OP to answer this, why not adopt an orphaned Quarian child? Why not Jona? Both his parents are dead. I'm sure Tali and Shepard would love to care for him as if he was their own.

Ok blood is blood in when you male you need a child to carry on your  genes in your family am forma vary irish family that is my logic and i belive adopting is wonderfull thing but am trying to find way to carry on shepard legacey in to ME4

[Artifex_Imperius]

Here we see arrows pointing to Liara for Shepards descendants! though not genetically but close.
Problem occurs if shep dies. No probs for male shep to have a child with any of the human female crew. But the problem comes with fem shep almost no possibility to have children except with liara.
[If you live or die or even if you did not romance liara she can have your love child if she wants to]. liara already made connection to you in me1 and at the end part of me3.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 10 mars 2013 - 01:28 .

[Osena109]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

Here we see arrows pointing to Liara for Shepards descendants! though not genetically but close.
Problem occurs if shep dies. No probs for male shep to have a child with any of the human female crew. But the problem comes with fem shep almost no possibility to have children except with liara.
[If you live or die or even if you did not romance liara she can have your love child if she wants to]. liara already made connection to you in me1 and at the end part of me3.

kaiden if he is alive

[Demonique]

hljhodr_sunda wrote...

Lol again. Asari logic and morality may not fall to same decision making as human. So, what we would consider "rape", Asari might just consider it a logical decision. She could possibly do so without consent. Even if you romance her, you don't technically give consent for her to have your child. Granted, I guess you could consider it implied... But there was no "have my babies, Liara". Shoot, even Sha'ira could technically have a Shep baby (pending she is still alive) or any other Asari Shep melded minds with.

All I'm saying is, it's possible. Probable? Eh... Don't know, don't care. But if something like this were to happen in an ME game post-reaper war, I wouldn't be surprised. It would be a way of preserving Shep... sort of. An NPC is an NPC...

Ignorance of human thought processes is no excuse. Just because an Asari might not consider it to be rape doesn't mean its NOT rape in the eyes of a human. If Liara did conceive a child without consent that doesn't mean she gets a free pass and that other squaddies and Shepard's friends have to accept what she did.

[thehomeworld]

Um dude they've proven you can't cross a human and a Quarian, Turian, Hanar, Volus, or Krogan without a reaper smoothie maker and even then you just end up with a fugly corpse with a face so horrible it would spark galaxy war 1. So we aren't going to be playing ME4 as a hybrid of any of those species.

If BW is going to do a hybrid they can do Asari x anybody, or human x human but if you're a player that takes the scientific approch that after 24 hours a dead body's sperm and eggs will be dead completely then shep is sterile and therefore having no kids with anyone once they wake up in ME2.

Personally I think BW shouldn't make the shep link at all and if you didn't romance an npc then they could claim that the unromanced npcs are the great great grandparents of ME4's new hero. For instance humans have unromanced Jacob, Jack, or Vega maybe the ancestor is picked via skin tone, eye color, and class. Turians get Garrus but maybe we can expand this to also cover Gavon, Septim, and Noveria Turian who wants to write that human book, Quarian would have to be dice roll between Tali, Xen, Han and Garrel, ect

[thehomeworld]

Demonique wrote...

hljhodr_sunda wrote...

Lol again. Asari logic and morality may not fall to same decision making as human. So, what we would consider "rape", Asari might just consider it a logical decision. She could possibly do so without consent. Even if you romance her, you don't technically give consent for her to have your child. Granted, I guess you could consider it implied... But there was no "have my babies, Liara". Shoot, even Sha'ira could technically have a Shep baby (pending she is still alive) or any other Asari Shep melded minds with.

All I'm saying is, it's possible. Probable? Eh... Don't know, don't care. But if something like this were to happen in an ME game post-reaper war, I wouldn't be surprised. It would be a way of preserving Shep... sort of. An NPC is an NPC...

Ignorance of human thought processes is no excuse. Just because an Asari might not consider it to be rape doesn't mean its NOT rape in the eyes of a human. If Liara did conceive a child without consent that doesn't mean she gets a free pass and that other squaddies and Shepard's friends have to accept what she did.

Of all the Asari who melded with Shep Liara is the one that shows a creepy obsession over him/her she tracks down his corspe when its made clear that is infact all she'll be getting, she keeps his armor in her home as an art piece, she melds with him showing him snow or star like orbs that in some media represent sex the white light doesn't help this she shows him nothing if she really showed her something of her life bw could've done voices to help illustrate she was showing him something or better yet pick a story from her life and play it for us in CG or mix it together in fast beacon style images don't do what they did Shep and the players are all confussed. With Liara's past obsessions with shep it is a high possibility she would simply copy his dna and keep it on file until she wanted or the galaxy needed a Shep like hero to save the day.


The next canidate would be Shi'ira she could use that baby as leverage and could help her in her future survival though in the citidel dlc I met her and she forgot about me shep says I heard about you and she says I heard about you and I'm thinking you did more then just hear you raped me! Maybe the Shep I used wasn't her victum shep but then again maybe it was and BW forgot about that.... 

[Aceattack]

thehomeworld wrote...

Um dude they've proven you can't cross a human and a Quarian, Turian, Hanar, Volus, or Krogan without a reaper smoothie maker and even then you just end up with a fugly corpse with a face so horrible it would spark galaxy war 1. So we aren't going to be playing ME4 as a hybrid of any of those species. 

Actually no one has proved anything the closest you could make to that statement is that it has been proven it isn't possible today, 200 years from now who knows it is science fiction after all. 

If BW is going to do a hybrid they can do Asari x anybody, or human x human but if you're a player that takes the scientific approch that after 24 hours a dead body's sperm and eggs will be dead completely then shep is sterile and therefore having no kids with anyone once they wake up in ME2. 

Wow this just shows a complete lack of any
scientific knowledge at all I really mean AT ALL. Let me share a few links with
you on how current genetics researchers are contemplating making a Neanderthal
baby using DNA recovered from various sources such as fossils.

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9814620/I-can-create-Neanderthal-baby-I-just-need-willing-woman.html

www.bizjournals.com/boston/blog/mass_roundup/2013/01/create-neanderthal-baby.html

Personally I think BW shouldn't make the shep link at all and if you didn't romance an npc then they could claim that the unromanced npcs are the great great grandparents of ME4's new hero. For instance humans have unromanced Jacob, Jack, or Vega maybe the ancestor is picked via skin tone, eye color, and class. Turians get Garrus but maybe we can expand this to also cover Gavon, Septim, and Noveria Turian who wants to write that human book, Quarian would have to be dice roll between Tali, Xen, Han and Garrel, ect

Why couldn't they do both, why would they have to be limited to one idea? I mean its really strange that everyone seems to think that there is only one possiblity for any of the future games in the mass effect universe, but at the end of the day this is Sci-Fi meaning as long as there is some rooting in scientific fact and the writers can suspend disbelief then it makes sense.

Modifié par Aceattack, 10 mars 2013 - 06:46 .