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[JaimasOfRaxis]

jimcamx wrote...

 So where did anyone ever say the GSF fired at 800RPM anyway?

Here, for one.

[K9lArthur]

Bump, just trying to keep this alive, I really want the spitfire to be amazing.

[SubjectThriteen]

What kind of buff would be needed to make the Spitfire decent. We're all in agreement that 10% just won't cut it. How drastic would it need to be? 40%? 50%?

[Asebstos]

Nissun wrote...
I get that the thing has considerable recoil and spread, but still, it shouldn't take so long for Collectors to freeze in my opinion. I could be wrong, but with that dps, I think it should kinda happen sooner.

It really, really doesn't. I can't even fathom that people complain about the spread/recoil. Its mindboggling. People that do should just stick to their PPRs and CSRs and similar pinpoint accurate/zero recoil weapons.


Mind you, Nissun, I'm not saying you're complaining these things, just using what you said to make a point.

[Mendelevosa]

That you data analyzers for being so involved with this game.

Biower pls lisn'

[Asebstos]

SubjectThriteen wrote...

What kind of buff would be needed to make the Spitfire decent. We're all in agreement that 10% just won't cut it. How drastic would it need to be? 40%? 50%?

Could test it out on a Human Solider (Adrenaline Rush with the durability boost at Rank 4, for a 50% damage boost) or the T.Sol (50% ROF boost) and see how it performs.

But make sure to bring an Adrenaline Mod III if you want to move at a semi-reasonable speed.


White/Giant might be the best maps. Just stand at the top of the ladder (White) or Ramp/control room (Giant) and let loose.

[Grunt_Platform]

SubjectThriteen wrote...

What kind of buff would be needed to make the Spitfire decent. We're all in agreement that 10% just won't cut it. How drastic would it need to be? 40%? 50%?

Looks like*

It would either needs to be buffed to 800rpm at full ramp-up or a huge damage buff at 600rpm. Nice thing about the latter choice is it would be less susceptible to lost-ammo bugs.

* Apologies for the clunky, incomplete spreadsheet. I never made a cleaner version since Cyonan and tyhw beat me to the punch. Note that I didn't even bother calculating for ramp up or charge times and just calculate those weapons at full ramp. If I wanted to make a sheet that would do that, it probably wouldn't be able to compare more than two weapons at a time effectively. Same reason there's no kill time calculations.

Modifié par EvanKester, 10 mars 2013 - 02:12 .

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Jesus, you'd need a 50% Firepower boost to give it the same DPS as a 10% one with the correct fire rate!

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Just looking at Evan's chart, you can clearly see that the DPS for the current Geth Spitfire is several orders of Magnitude worse than the Collector Rifle.

Words fail.

[iOnlySignIn]

Hear! Hear!

[Grunt_Platform]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Just looking at Evan's chart, you can clearly see that the DPS for the current Geth Spitfire is several orders of Magnitude worse than the Collector Rifle.

Words fail.

Not exactly, but it's close. I had to remove some theorycrafted experiments from the list, for the sake of clarity.

But it's leagues behind the Typhoon in it's current state. Which is crazy.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

EvanKester wrote...

Not exactly, but it's close. I had to remove some theorycrafted experiments from the list, for the sake of clarity.

But it's leagues behind the Typhoon in it's current state. Which is crazy.

It is when you factor in accuracy and mobility loss.

[SubjectThriteen]

EvanKester wrote...

SubjectThriteen wrote...

What kind of buff would be needed to make the Spitfire decent. We're all in agreement that 10% just won't cut it. How drastic would it need to be? 40%? 50%?

Looks like*

It would either needs to be buffed to 800rpm at full ramp-up or a huge damage buff at 600rpm. Nice thing about the latter choice is it would be less susceptible to lost-ammo bugs.

* Apologies for the clunky, incomplete spreadsheet. I never made a cleaner version since Cyonan and tyhw beat me to the punch. Note that I didn't even bother calculating for ramp up or charge times and just calculate those weapons at full ramp. If I wanted to make a sheet that would do that, it probably wouldn't be able to compare more than two weapons at a time effectively. Same reason there's no kill time calculations.

Damn, that RoF needs to get fixed pronto! And then a 10% buff on top of that!

[Asebstos]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Not exactly, but it's close. I had to remove some theorycrafted experiments from the list, for the sake of clarity.

But it's leagues behind the Typhoon in it's current state. Which is crazy.

It is when you factor in accuracy and mobility loss.

It isn't innaccurate when you actually aim with it. Why do people insist on calling the Spitfire inaccurate? L2Aim FFS.

Modifié par Asebstos, 10 mars 2013 - 02:45 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Devs need to see this.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Asebstos wrote...

It isn't innaccurate when you actually aim with it. Why do people insist on calling the Spitfire inaccurate? L2Aim FFS.

Stop defending this. The Typhoon's firing cone is much tighter, and you know this. It's not quite Revenant bad, but it's definitely worse off than the CAR as far as accuracy goes.

As an aside, this revelation means that the Geth Spitfire has the single worst power:size ratio of any weapon in the entire game, bar none.

[Asebstos]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

It isn't innaccurate when you actually aim with it. Why do people insist on calling the Spitfire inaccurate? L2Aim FFS.

Stop defending this. The Typhoon's firing cone is much tighter, and you know this. It's not quite Revenant bad, but it's definitely worse off than the CAR as far as accuracy goes.

Stop being wrong?

Also, it is faaar from Revenant bad.

[Kittstalkur]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Just looking at Evan's chart, you can clearly see that the DPS for the current Geth Spitfire is several orders of Magnitude worse than the Collector Rifle.

Words fail.

Having used the CAR on the Awakened spec'd for power damage and the Spitfire on the Juggernaut spec'd for weapon damage (though with the 15% penalty from MAXIMUM ARMOR), the CAR is definitely much, much better at killing things.

Which is pathetic.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

This explains why it feels so much worse than it technically should.

Hope they see the light and buff the f*ck out of it.

/Signed.

Plz, BW. It's the heaviest gun in the game and the unique slowdown effect is a HUGE disadvantage.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Asebstos wrote...

Also, it is faaar from Revenant bad.

Again, it's nowhere near as finicky/weird as the Revenant.

But for a UR? A UR with that many drawbacks? Are you serious?

[Grunt_Platform]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Not exactly, but it's close. I had to remove some theorycrafted experiments from the list, for the sake of clarity.

But it's leagues behind the Typhoon in it's current state. Which is crazy.

It is when you factor in accuracy and mobility loss.

And all other factors... yeah.

Just saying, it at least has better damage. However small an edge that is, considering everything else.

But, unless something changed between the data Cyonan posted and the in-game performance there's not much difference between the CAR's [0.5-0.9] zoom spread and the Spitfire's [0.5-1.0]. Still, that damage is pathetic. For twice the weight, with a slowdown penalty and extreme rarity you'd expect the gun to be pretty badass.

Modifié par EvanKester, 10 mars 2013 - 03:02 .

[Grunt_Platform]

Bunp

Can't let this slip the forum's consciousness before Monday

[TG XTerminatorX]

Thank you for providing numbers, not simply raging.

[Asebstos]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Also, it is faaar from Revenant bad.

Again, it's nowhere near as finicky/weird as the Revenant.

But for a UR? A UR with that many drawbacks? Are you serious?

I'm not saying it doesn't need a damage buff, but people that complain about the accuracy/recoil are just flat wrong (as the data posted above shows)

Modifié par Asebstos, 10 mars 2013 - 03:46 .

[JohnDoe]

tyhw wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

should also test with TC bonus duration (2.5 seconds) ... or ammo pack (10 seconds) ...

Yeah, it was a  crude test.  But when I got the results I did, I figured I should let people know.  This isn't a definitive test.

I just hope its not a particle limitation similar to Team Fortress2, where it only shows  a certain amount of particles despite the damage the minigun and sentry level 2-3 doo.