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[BD Manchild]

MECavScout01 wrote...

Also, for everyone's reading pleasure: http://awtr.wikidot....s-is-not-a-pipe

Holy hell, I hope someone at Bioware read that. It spells out everything that's wrong with the endings, and it also outlines my reasons for choosing Refuse (or just not playing out the ending at all) better than I ever could (not that anybody would listen on this forum even if I could).

Yeah, as you can guess, I'm firmly in camps 2, 3 and 4.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Camp 3 and 4 myself.

[mcz2345]

Synthesis: how much more happy can it get ?

[NoReapers]

For me Shepard HAD TO DIE!

[Wayning_Star]

and here I thought the Citadel DLC was the mehem via bioware? It was done to appease the destroy crowd. Give them closure and a lot to drink...

[Dr_Extrem]

Wayning_Star wrote...

and here I thought the Citadel DLC was the mehem via bioware? It was done to appease the destroy crowd. Give them closure and a lot to drink...

did the endings change?

we got one big booze-up before the crap finally hits the fan. we did not get closure - only more reasons to see shepard getting dragged out of the rubble.

this dlc spilled oil into the fire ..

[Reorte]

BD Manchild wrote...

MECavScout01 wrote...

Also, for everyone's reading pleasure: http://awtr.wikidot....s-is-not-a-pipe

Holy hell, I hope someone at Bioware read that. It spells out everything that's wrong with the endings, and it also outlines my reasons for choosing Refuse (or just not playing out the ending at all) better than I ever could (not that anybody would listen on this forum even if I could).

Yeah, as you can guess, I'm firmly in camps 2, 3 and 4.

I was with him until he started defending Refuse because that sends out an even worse message IMO (as opposed to refuse to play the ending at all, or by sticking something like MEHEM in).

[BizkitRebellion]

Alright, I'm hungry and I got three choices:
CONTROL the frying pan to make some pancakes
DESTROY the package of the ordered pizza
SYTHESIZE a sandwich

If I REFUSE
Stomach- SO BE IT.
your hunger continues

[Dr. Megaverse]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

and here I thought the Citadel DLC was the mehem via bioware? It was done to appease the destroy crowd. Give them closure and a lot to drink...

did the endings change?

we got one big booze-up before the crap finally hits the fan. we did not get closure - only more reasons to see shepard getting dragged out of the rubble.

this dlc spilled oil into the fire ..

Few things could have poured more hydrogen into the flame than showing you everything, and everyone, you were working so hard to come back to. 

[Necrotron]

Did you miss the part that people who want to use that mod mainly want to skip all the horrible dialogue of the catalyst?

[Voodoo2015]

I just played the ending again without the MEHEM. Oh man I had forgotten how badly written it was no heart and no fantasy. Installing the MEHEM acap.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 10 mars 2013 - 08:17 .

[Little Princess Peach]

Nelatherion wrote...

People just wanted to see Shepard having a reunion with his/her love interest. Because apparently everyone needs a Disney fairy tail ending otherwise it is a terrible ending.

are you kding me I wanted a singing Krogan,at shepards wake, if I don't get one in me4 im gonna cry :/

all joking aside, mods are like dlc you are not forced at gun point to use them.

[Cobretti ftw]

People fail to comprehend some easy things sometimes. That makes me wonder if some of u guys are trolling, or what.

A "disney" ending would be interesting as ONE of the possibilities.

BUT the problem is not that. THe endings are bad despite the lack of "disney ending". I honestly duno where did u guys came up with that idea.

[apeabel]

ConanTheLeader wrote...
Then there is the factor of destroying all synthetic life. Well, is EDI synthetic? No. She is an AI that took control of a synthetic called EVA. EVA got destroyed, I assume EDI is intact on Normandy and the same probably goes for the geth, they can seperate their AI from their physical body by uploading to the server. Provided one Geth did that at the time of the destroy ending, I'd assume the Quarians could help them rebuild their physical self.

You can see EDIs name on the memorial wall in the upper left corner. At least I got it after choosing destroy in my latest playthrough. Also, there is no slideshow picture of the geth and quarians, which is only seen in the synthesis ending I belive. That means EDI and the geth are just dead. Why ? Who knows...

Honestly. I feel the mod is needed it shows more of Shepard. A reunion with your friends, yada yada yada..
While its true that the destroy ending with a high EMS is somewhat happy, I personally don't feel I've gotten a happy ending. Shepard breathing in some rubble ? Awesome... really... I mean it leaves room for interpretation, I give you that, but that was meant to be after we knew what happend to everyone.

What I expected from ME3s ending was that it tells me what happens to Shepard! Like idk. a year after the ending ? I don't want to see how Shep dies at old age or something like that. Just a little bit more and then give room for interpretation.

So yea, I disagree. This mod is needed and I welcome it.

[Dr. Megaverse]

ConanTheLeader wrote...
Then there is the factor of destroying all synthetic life. Well, is EDI synthetic? No. She is an AI that took control of a synthetic called EVA. EVA got destroyed, I assume EDI is intact on Normandy and the same probably goes for the geth, they can seperate their AI from their physical body by uploading to the server. Provided one Geth did that at the time of the destroy ending, I'd assume the Quarians could help them rebuild their physical self.

Makes me wonder, did VIs get knocked out too?  Is Avina still working?  The hardware would have been fried, and IMO the Reapers seem to be a hardware AND software blend (i.e. non seperate able, hence to bio goo injected into hardware), however would all software be fried?  Like shipboard VI system management? If thats the case, would AI software be fried?

I realize that particular discussion has been talked about ad nauseum....still I'm curious...

[SiriusXI]

http://awtr.wikidot....s-is-not-a-pipe

I fit in group 2, 3, and mainly 4.

Being German, and dealing a lot with the 3. Reich in school, in university, in discussions with friends and in fights with actual Naz*s, the "Reaper-Reich" always stuck out to me as symbolizing the 3. Reich. A lot of people seem to miss that, disregarding such interpretations as unvalid. I gues these people lack education in literature, are too young maybe, or are just not very bright.

Bioware, your endings are horrible! The are depressing and lack different outcomes, they are flawed from a storytelling point of view and most importantly, they introduce morally repugnant "solutions" to the Reaper-Problem.

Shame on you!

Modifié par SiriusXI, 10 mars 2013 - 08:28 .

[CroGamer002]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

I think most gamers are unrealistic about what would be a happy ending to this war.

Because official endings are so realistic.

/sarcasm

[Dr_Extrem]

SiriusXI wrote...

http://awtr.wikidot....s-is-not-a-pipe

I fit in group 2, 3, and mainly 4.

Being German, and dealing a lot with the 3. Reich in school, in university, in discussions with friends and in fights with actual Naz*s, the "Reaper-Reich" always stuck out to me as symbolizing the 3. Reich. A lot of people seem to miss that, disregarding such interpretations as unvalid. I gues these people lack education in literature, are too young maybe, or are just not very bright.

Bioware, your endings are horrible! The are depressing and lack different outcomes, they are flawed from a storytelling point of view and most importantly, they introduce morally repugnant "solutions" to the Reaper-Problem.

Shame on you!

i know exactly what you mean.

maybe we are a bit more sensitised because of our her®itage. the decision chamber literally shouts "endlösung" - disgusting.


edit: different cultures and backgrounds can see different themes in the endings. writers should expect this, when they are working with stuff like this.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 10 mars 2013 - 09:01 .

[SiriusXI]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

maybe we are a bit more sensitised because of our her®itage. the decision chamber literally shouts "endlösung" - disgusting.

Yeah, but how can people not SEE this? It's just beyond me...

[Dr_Extrem]

SiriusXI wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

maybe we are a bit more sensitised because of our her®itage. the decision chamber literally shouts "endlösung" - disgusting.

Yeah, but how can people not SEE this? It's just beyond me...

see my edit .. different cultural backgrounds and educations. we see it, because we live with this background every day. i cant walk to the rail station, without passing by several "tripping stones".

[SiriusXI]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

edit: different cultures and backgrounds can see different themes in the endings. writers should expect this, when they are working with stuff like this.

And this is not even something remote to anyone. It was the freaggin WWII. It affected EVEYONE. Who can witness the ME3 ending and not see this connection?

And worst part is that Mass Effect is such a beloved game series (for very good reasons) that the ending might literally influence younger minds in a bad way. The themes are applicable in may ways. Just think of bullying:

Diversity or Deviancy always leads to conflict with "Normality", and there is no way the two will ever get along. The solution is to either get rid of the "Deviant", have a powerful third party control the two conflicting parties, or making everyone the same (like introducing school uniforms, same hair cut obligation, and so on). --- wonderful <_<

[Dr. Megaverse]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

maybe we are a bit more sensitised because of our her®itage. the decision chamber literally shouts "endlösung" - disgusting.

Yeah, but how can people not SEE this? It's just beyond me...

see my edit .. different cultural backgrounds and educations. we see it, because we live with this background every day. i cant walk to the rail station, without passing by several "tripping stones".

Wow. I had never heard of Stolpersteins before. A quick read and I'm amazed these exist. I'm a fan of history and having German heritage I take special interest in all things German and I have to admit these are kind of amazing.  

[Adanu]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Adanu wrote...

The entitled brats that are the disney ending people are constantly living in denial. Let them have their fan fiction if it makes them happy and stop spamming the damn forums about it.

have you played the citadel-dlc?

I have. The fact that these people are clinging to the CItadel DLC stuff as 'canon ending' now just further proves my point.

[Dr_Extrem]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

maybe we are a bit more sensitised because of our her®itage. the decision chamber literally shouts "endlösung" - disgusting.

Yeah, but how can people not SEE this? It's just beyond me...

see my edit .. different cultural backgrounds and educations. we see it, because we live with this background every day. i cant walk to the rail station, without passing by several "tripping stones".

Wow. I had never heard of Stolpersteins before. A quick read and I'm amazed these exist. I'm a fan of history and having German heritage I take special interest in all things German and I have to admit these are kind of amazing.  

the reason i have to walk by those reminders is, that some *insert randon rant here* thought A, B, and C were good ideas ..and the rest ignored the injustice or was too afraid to stand up. people should listen to their grandparents.

my grand and great grand parents lived during very dark times. my family members were active social democrats and my great grandfather was considered "unworthy life". my familiy knows first hand what happenes, if your basic rights are taken away.

[Ownedbacon]

DinoSteve wrote...

I wish people would stop thinking everyone who disliked the ending wanted a happy Disney ending, most just want a ending that was well written and fit with the overarching narrative of the Mass Effect trilogy.

This!
The Catalyst and the Crucible plot goes against what was already was established in the previous games. The Reapers themselves were the Ancient beings that established the cycle. What need was there to turn them essentially into Terminators to an ancient SKYNET? The Citadel was used as a trap and was used to shut down the relays. The trap failed and yet the Reapers don't bother to take the Citadel to shutdown the relays?

Theres just so many things that contradict, are overlooked, not explained or are completely ignored from the previous games (Harbinger, Dark Energy, and Human-Reaper relevance). It goes beyond the endings, but just from removing the Catalyst the story becomes much more coherent.