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I fell that there is no need for the "Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod"


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MEHEM isn't a Disney ending, far from it.


Anyone who has really watched the ending knows this. Anderson dies, the Starbrat scene is cut, the crucible is armed, then it cuts to the LOW EMS battle scenes and the fleet is getting its ass torn up. These are scenes you do not see normally because most people have high EMS. You really have to work to see these. I'm writing a score to the battle scene. I've watched it enough times.

EDI takes a shuttle and rescues Shepard from the Citadel just before it fires and gets back to the Normandy barely in time. You don't see the actual rescue. The Crucible fires, and then it cuts to the High EMS destroy ending. The person is replaced by Shepard who puts Anderson's name up, and gets a hug from his/her LI.

This is a bittersweet ending.

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I agree that no happy ending is needed. I admit that I only got into the games after the EC was out, so that's the version I saw when I played the game, but I chose destroy and at the end I had a bittersweet smile on my face. Sure, I did feel bad about EDI (and Joker) and the Geth (because I had accomplished peace), but overall I liked it. For me it was happy enough, considering it was a war.

Of course, that may or may not have something to do with the fact that as much as I managed to keep myself unspoiled about the endings, I had heard about mostly everyone hating it and being really disappointed on it, so I guess I had prepared myself for the worst.

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Everyone seems to get a happy ending and that while the MEHEM is welcome, I do not share the opinion that it is needed to have a happy ending.


+1.

I've said it many times, but I felt the high EMS/Destroy ending was similar to the ending of The Dark Knight Rises, in terms of structure and tone. I really liked how it worked out.

I also don't really understand why its not considered a 'happy ending'... Shepard survived, his crew survived, the Reapers are no more, the galaxy is rebuilding, and the Normandy is pretty obviously on its way to go look for him. Why is that 'sad'? Sure, EDI and the Geth are no more... but realistically, you were going to take losses no matter how you slice it. It's no different to the situation back in ME1 on Virmire.

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ConanTheLeader wrote...

A popular mod for Mass Effect 3 is the Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod (MEHEM). The creation of this mod is based on a fan's disagreement of the ending and set out to fix it, a lot of other fans like this mod and choose to use it as their true ending. Totally fine. However the name would imply it serves the purpose of a happy ending, as if there was not a happy ending. And that irks me because while disliking the current ending is fine, I think most gamers are unrealistic about what would be a happy ending to this war.

I personally feel that the destroy ending with the breath scene is the good ending. Why?

Well, in it we see a damaged citadel and relay, following Hackett's speach about rebuilding we see the citadel with open wards floating above Earth with no damage whatsoever. Hacket even describes the condition of the relays as "damaged" which is different from destroyed, it implies it is not beyond being fixed.

We see images of Quarians relaxing in a city and Krogan raising families, we even see Krogan's going through a new cultural period that was mentioned earlier in the Priority: Tuchanka mission as evidenced by the image of them building new temples. Finally the ending show me Shepherd regain consciousness. I assume on the Citadel, much like how he survived a chunk of Sovereign crashing into him at the end of the first game.

Then there is the factor of destroying all synthetic life. Well, is EDI synthetic? No. She is an AI that took control of a synthetic called EVA. EVA got destroyed, I assume EDI is intact on Normandy and the same probably goes for the geth, they can seperate their AI from their physical body by uploading to the server. Provided one Geth did that at the time of the destroy ending, I'd assume the Quarians could help them rebuild their physical self.

Everyone seems to get a happy ending and that while the MEHEM is welcome, I do not share the opinion that it is needed to have a happy ending.


You're still head-cannoning that Destroy, you realize?

Regardless, Destroy is fine as compared to the other two endings, but not 'happy' in my view. Victory, yes, but not happy. A war is over, now we can recover.

I want a *happy* ending...

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the naming of the mod is a bit missleading ..

its not a happy ending .. only a happier one.

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i can't until bioware makes a sequel and the tears of the MEHM flood the forums

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Gangnam Style wrote...

i can't until bioware makes a sequel and the tears of the MEHM flood the forums


you imply, that i care about a sequel (that will never come).


the next game will not be mass effect 4 - it will be something new and disconnected from this trilogy.

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With how the plot fizzled out in my opinion they and their EA overlords deserved a bit of nose thumbing. 


As far as I'm concerned, that's not your right.

Bioware told the story they wanted to tell.  It's okay to not like that story, but it smacks of that dreaded "entitlement" label when fans say to the content's creators, "We know your story better than you!"

That IS a slap to the face to the people who create the stuff for you to enjoy; which is kinda funny how up in arms the fans were when they thought they were the ones being slapped.

But here I go ranting when I had just said that we should let the dog sleep.

My apologies.

Modifié par chemiclord, 10 mars 2013 - 12:24 .


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As far as I can tell, nobody is forcing you to use it. If you're happy with the way things are, then fine.



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chemiclord wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

With how the plot fizzled out in my opinion they and their EA overlords deserved a bit of nose thumbing. 


As far as I'm concerned, that's not your right.

Bioware told the story they wanted to tell.  It's okay to not like that story, but it smacks of that dreaded "entitlement" label when fans say to the content's creators, "We know your story better than you!"

That IS a slap to the face to the people who create the stuff for you to enjoy; which is kinda funny how up in arms the fans were when they thought they were the ones being slapped.

But here I go ranting when I had just said that we should let the dog sleep.

My apologies.


i see this mod as a kind of criticism ...


if you argument like this, every fanfiction and every headcanon (what bioware even encourages), who touches the endings or takes place post ending, has no right to exist either.

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if you've read most fanfiction you'd probably agree that it shouldn't exist

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Gangnam Style wrote...

if you've read most fanfiction you'd probably agree that it shouldn't exist


its still not your job to decide whats allowed and whats not. i know .. freedom of speach is totally overrated.

if you dont like it, dont consume it.

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Dr_Extrem wrote...


i see this mod as a kind of criticism ...


if you argument like this, every fanfiction and every headcanon (what bioware even encourages), who touches the endings or takes place post ending, has no right to exist either.


There IS a difference.

Fanfiction and headcanon (even post-ending) is not the issue, provided that it works within the framework given.

MEHEM cuts out and outright changes the framework.  To me, that is not okay.  Whether or not you think the framework is particularly good isn't the issue (I think it's outright terrible), but it's still the creator's intent.  You can at least respect the story the creator tried to tell, even if you despise it.

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Is it so hard to show Shepard getting pulled out of the rubble?


I think it would've been a nice nod to ME1, sort of coming full circle.

An ending like this would've been nice:


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if you've read most fanfiction you'd probably agree that it shouldn't exist


I have, and yes there is a lot of **** in the sea but to say no gems exist at all is asinine.

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chemiclord wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...


i see this mod as a kind of criticism ...


if you argument like this, every fanfiction and every headcanon (what bioware even encourages), who touches the endings or takes place post ending, has no right to exist either.


There IS a difference.

Fanfiction and headcanon (even post-ending) is not the issue, provided that it works within the framework given.

MEHEM cuts out and outright changes the framework.  To me, that is not okay.  Whether or not you think the framework is particularly good isn't the issue (I think it's outright terrible), but it's still the creator's intent.  You can at least respect the story the creator tried to tell, even if you despise it.


well .. there are enough youtube videos out there, who show the "best places in the house"-scenario to be the ending. they just ignore the catalyst and let shepard die next to anderson. in this case, the creators intent is violated as well.

the only thing that bothers you, is the medium this fanficition uses.


mehem respects the story to a big degree. it does not claim, that the catalyst does not exist - it is not shown but that does not disregard its existance. imo, the original endings do not respect the rest of the story and what mass effect ued to stand for.


if the creators intent was to force my avatar (and therefore myself) to accept the enemies values and methods, it is my duty to show them my disrespect.

the endings stand for 3 very evil notions. mass murder, eugenics, rule by terror. i cant accept them to be valid choices.

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JaegerBane wrote...

I've said it many times, but I felt the high EMS/Destroy ending was similar to the ending of The Dark Knight Rises, in terms of structure and tone. I really liked how it worked out.


Batman commited genocide?

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chemiclord wrote...
There IS a difference.

Fanfiction and headcanon (even post-ending) is not the issue, provided that it works within the framework given.

MEHEM cuts out and outright changes the framework.  To me, that is not okay.  Whether or not you think the framework is particularly good isn't the issue (I think it's outright terrible), but it's still the creator's intent.  You can at least respect the story the creator tried to tell, even if you despise it.

That's kinda why it's called a mod...the very purpose is to change things. 

Do you have problems with say for example a conversion of an RTS that rebalances the game, changes units around, and/or completely redoes factions, etc. like Tiberium Essence for C&C3 Tiberium Wars or Purgation of Kaurava for Dawn of War Soulstorm?  They redo the framework and deviate from the original intent, sometimes essentially rewriting the game...and many consider them superior to the original...but I don't see anyone complaining with those.

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That's the great thing about mods. They're not necessary.


Yeah this.  Don't download it and it won't bother you, OP.  I promise it won't activate all on its own.

But really, you see the endings as happy ones OP?  Particularly Destroy?  Well, that's kind of part of what was wrong with the way they were presented.  I speak for myself-I wanted a "happier" ending that often is just said to be a happy one.  That means I wanted an ending that was possible that really just meant that you could find a way for Shepard to live, friends to live, LI to live, Earth and all to be "saved", and to destroy the reapers.  But happy would be a long way off with a galaxy that's still a mess, millions or billions have died this cycle alone, the planets are trashed, Shepard's fatigued and injured and has already been through a meat grinder and so on.  I wanted an ending that was possible to include the themes of diversity, unity, redemption, and love, yes love.  And I wanted a post-ending epilog that included even just a minor reunion-not big or flashy but memorable.

My happy ending would have been one that allowed me to play the game through to the end and not sit and watch Shepard (a person passing herself off as Shepard) have a conversation and not a confrontation with idiot boy.  I wanted a game and story about a huge big nasty war with huge big people goo sucking monsters to end as big as the story was-and to have that "WE DID IT" moment of catharsis that stories need to have.  I didn't need nor did I ever want super happy sappy stuff that does not fit what just happened.  But yes, I wanted Torso Shepard brought up out of the rubble so that she could see her friends and LI were ok and vice versa.  I wanted that as one POSSIBLE ending because that is how I played the game-that was the story Bioware had created with all the dialogue they made for me to put into Shepard's mouth.  I wanted a story at the end that did not act like it had Alzheimers and forgot what happened with the geth-one mention was that too much or that did not forget the kind of Shepard I played.  One that would not have ever thought these choices made any sense at all because the Shepard I played wouldn't have thought the problem the kid needed to solve made sense either.

So a happy ending?  If you have it then great.  But this game and these characters deserved a coherent one that fit the story that came before.  They deserved a real "happier" ending based upon their hard work and effort and one that showed what people who worked together could do, one that didn't need cutscenes and slide shows to say, "look this is happy".  I know happy when I see it.  Those people after these endings should not be smiling.

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Dr_Extrem wrote...

the endings stand for 3 very evil notions. mass murder, eugenics, rule by terror. i cant accept them to be valid choices.


To my mind, the main problem is that these three choices are derived from the creator/created (organic vs. synthetic) problem and not from the Crucible's operation.

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Astartes Marine wrote...

That's kinda why it's called a mod...the very purpose is to change things. 

Do you have problems with say for example a conversion of an RTS that rebalances the game, changes units around, and/or completely redoes factions, etc. like Tiberium Essence for C&C3 Tiberium Wars or Purgation of Kaurava for Dawn of War Soulstorm?  They redo the framework and deviate from the original intent, sometimes essentially rewriting the game...and many consider them superior to the original...but I don't see anyone complaining with those.


And a lot of people think MEHEM is superior to the ME3 Ending (myself included if I'm being perfectly honest with myself.

I still don't think it's right.

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chemiclord wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

That's kinda why it's called a mod...the very purpose is to change things. 

Do you have problems with say for example a conversion of an RTS that rebalances the game, changes units around, and/or completely redoes factions, etc. like Tiberium Essence for C&C3 Tiberium Wars or Purgation of Kaurava for Dawn of War Soulstorm?  They redo the framework and deviate from the original intent, sometimes essentially rewriting the game...and many consider them superior to the original...but I don't see anyone complaining with those.


And a lot of people think MEHEM is superior to the ME3 Ending (myself included if I'm being perfectly honest with myself.

I still don't think it's right.


and some people think, that synthesis is better than the other endings .. or destroy is superior.


really .. mehem is not better - its different.

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well .. there are enough youtube videos out there, who show the "best places in the house"-scenario to be the ending. they just ignore the catalyst and let shepard die next to anderson. in this case, the creators intent is violated as well.

the only thing that bothers you, is the medium this fanficition uses.


mehem respects the story to a big degree. it does not claim, that the catalyst does not exist - it is not shown but that does not disregard its existance. imo, the original endings do not respect the rest of the story and what mass effect ued to stand for.


if the creators intent was to force my avatar (and therefore myself) to accept the enemies values and methods, it is my duty to show them my disrespect.

the endings stand for 3 very evil notions. mass murder, eugenics, rule by terror. i cant accept them to be valid choices.


For the record, I think those youtube videos are wrong too.

And it's not just about the Catalyst (the mod handwaves it, but it still cuts it completely out).  The MEHEM also spares the geth and EDI, which was explicity stated (and shown) would not be the case with the Destroy ending.  Like it or not (I particularly don't), that's still completely changing the framework of the ending.

That's disrespecting the creator's intent.  I'm sorry, but it's true.

Modifié par chemiclord, 10 mars 2013 - 01:03 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

I've said it many times, but I felt the high EMS/Destroy ending was similar to the ending of The Dark Knight Rises, in terms of structure and tone. I really liked how it worked out.


Batman commited genocide?


No, nor did he go to space or have blue alien space babies with catwoman.

My point wasn't that the ending was literally like TDKR, my point was that it took the same approach. There's in't some big cheesy sequence where Shepard gets found, gets married and sits in a bar with his homies and basks in the adulation of the entire galaxy. Instead, it elects to drop little hints as to what happened, where the story of the galaxy will go, showing you just enough that he and his friends survived the ordeal and won.

Much like how TDKR showed you that Bruce survived and was happy, and vague idea of how he did it, and that he made a point of letting Alfred know.

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chemiclord wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

That's kinda why it's called a mod...the very purpose is to change things. 

Do you have problems with say for example a conversion of an RTS that rebalances the game, changes units around, and/or completely redoes factions, etc. like Tiberium Essence for C&C3 Tiberium Wars or Purgation of Kaurava for Dawn of War Soulstorm?  They redo the framework and deviate from the original intent, sometimes essentially rewriting the game...and many consider them superior to the original...but I don't see anyone complaining with those.


And a lot of people think MEHEM is superior to the ME3 Ending (myself included if I'm being perfectly honest with myself.

I still don't think it's right.


I don't get what you think is so wrong about it.  Did you have a problem with someone modding Shepard's appearance or things like that?

The MEHEM mod is just a visual representation of someone's imagined ending that is shared with others.  It brings out what many have imagined would work better for themselves.  It is something that no doubt Bioware realized people would want even before the game was released, a happy ending.  It isn't forced viewing and does not change what is the official ME3 ending.  It does not hurt ME3 and no fish were harmed in its creation.