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[Costin_Razvan]

They gain a ally and a chance to strike a massive blow at one of their enemies. As a general I would not miss that opportunity. Though I would agree with what KnightPheonix said about Tevinter.



What you also miss btw is that my plans includes getting rid of any would be traitors, swiftly and silently.

[KnightofPhoenix]

You have to keep in midn though that the elves will become subjects of the Qunari, instead of the humans. As per Qunari convention, the elves can either convert, be deported to labor camps (which is worse then alienages) or be killed. So the elves have to be serious about converting if they want Qunari help. In which case, they are just trading one master over the other.

[internaty inmortelaty]

biomag wrote...

1. Why the heck should the Qunari support the elves? What do they gain by helping the elves? yes they can beat Fereldan and then crush the weakened elves to conquer the land, but I guess this wouldn't be the best plan, right?
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no idea.

2. Dwarfs have a better relationship to human kings than some alienage elves, or do you see the next king of Ozammar at a cocktail party with an elder from a slum? Did you got this idea of dwarfs supporting 2nd-class citizens by looking at the caste-system in Ozammar? Or by the fact that Maric and Calain had a good relationship with the king of Ozammar? Something is telling me, there is little help from a nation fighting the darkspawn day in day out and being afraid of falling into the sky.
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because the dwarf are smart enought human can turn on them just as easy as on the elf's given they dont worship the maker either.

3. Orlais would rather support Fereldan than elves. Why? Because they treat elves even worse.
answer:
large chance orlais let elf's and felerdan kill eachother off then claim what is left for themself.

4. Alienages are easy targets. Yeah, infiltrating the human castle is a good idea, but I would say some elven fans are ignoring the fact that not all elves hate humans. Couslands for example are liked by many of their elven people. So while some think they could easily get rid of the human leaders (good luck with that anyway), a single leak within the elven plans and the humans could decide to execute their whole elven workers and close of the alienages.... and just to be sure, I would burn these city quarters down... just in case they try something as treacherous again.
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yes this weakness is well know and thus is silencing all non loyal elf's and your forgetting that if a war would start the elf's would escape the allieanages not wait there to die.

The only real ally would be the dales. The same dales that aren't willing to keep fighting the humans on a large scale because they don't have the numbers. Also having many clans with different leaders weakens you too much to be effective. Coordinating a strike through many towns to be simultain is nearly impossible at that time. So any such fantasy some here had sounds easier than it is.
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why does everyone espect we attack overnight it requise alot of pations planning and luck to begin with.
and yes we would have to unit the dalis first.

Right now, the elves would be pretty stupid to fight the Fereldan nation. Waiting for an aggressor from the outside who is looking for help would be my plan. But demanding help from the outside makes you just look weak and an easy pray once Fereldan is beaten... The more complicate a plan becomes the higher the chance of failure and a nation wide rebellion would be such a threat that the king would be forced to react harshly, punishing the very same people I am trying to "help".

answer:allies make you stronger not weaker(europeian union anyone)
the king would be the first target.

read inside his storie for my replies

Modifié par internaty inmortelaty, 13 janvier 2010 - 05:41 .

[internaty inmortelaty]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You have to keep in midn though that the elves will become subjects of the Qunari, instead of the humans. As per Qunari convention, the elves can either convert, be deported to labor camps (which is worse then alienages) or be killed. So the elves have to be serious about converting if they want Qunari help. In which case, they are just trading one master over the other.

ok who brought up to ask the damm qunari for help?

[Costin_Razvan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You have to keep in midn though that the elves will become subjects of the Qunari, instead of the humans. As per Qunari convention, the elves can either convert, be deported to labor camps (which is worse then alienages) or be killed. So the elves have to be serious about converting if they want Qunari help. In which case, they are just trading one master over the other.

I don't think you understand the concept of ALLIED. The Quanri did start a war with the Humans ( who btw deserved it ) but they are certainly reasonable ( as Sten who is Infantry Commander shows )

[Creature 1]

internaty inmortelaty wrote...
the circle of magi i would offer independes witch is someting many crave for.
the dwarves i would covince that its only a mather of time befor they do to them what they did to us.
the elf's who got trained do so in there free time so they wont draw attation of the gaurds.
like i said befor i would also hire HUMAN infeltraitors and bribe human gaurds who ofcourse would be threated as equil. as i said i would poison most of the army so that even if they outnumber us many die at the first day.
as i said most of the leader's of the human's will die at there lovers hand leaving the humans leaderless for the most part giving us free reign for a few days atleast.
as for the eating problem thanks for reminding me all it take is some thieves to steal money for me from the humans and use corrupt mercant and dalis suppliers to smuggle food inside the city.

the only 2 problems i can see with my plan is if i am discovered to early for a attack there will be public exicusions and a price on my head.
2 people dont wanne rebel.
 p.s if you where a human leader you would be dead.

I've played the mage origin a couple times.  Some of the mages want independence, others are happy with the way things are, and others think that the Chantry needs to keep the mages sequestered to keep things under control.  The mages are not just going to fall over themselves to ally with you just because you say "No more Templars."  The mages may be less racist than most Ferelden humans, but they probably still think of non-mage elves as servants.  They would be unlikely to believe you would succeed.  They would probably fear that if you did succeed you would decide that they were no longer necessary and abandon them, since they are mostly humans, whom you hate.  If that happened they would be Annulled.  Siding with the elves in a human/elf war would be stupid. 

When you're working menial labor trying to support a family, you don't have much free time.  The elves live in poverty or at its edges.  Hunger is a problem for many of them.  They don't work 9 to 5 jobs and get two days off a week. 

In order to want to throw their lives away fighting an overwhelming force and betraying their race (since this is a human/elf conflict) and their country, a human would need to have a fanatical devotion to the elven cause.  I'm having a hard time imagining why this would be.  Maybe you could find a few such humans, but mostly they'd laugh at you and then report you as a troublemaker if you tried to hire them. 

Good luck with your poisoning plan.  Having that work on any large scale is impossible.  The logistical challenge is insurmountable. 

You seriously expect to get every key human figure to bed an elf, keep them around for up to several years, and then have them be conveniently present when it's time to start the attack?  If I were a human I think I'd start to notice that hot, willing elves were suddenly popping up around every noble in the city.  I'd get a bit suspicious! 

And lets look at the food problem.  We'll make up some numbers.  Say Denerim has a population of 250,000.  Say the population is 5% elf, leaving 12,500 in the Alienage.  We'll split those up into 2,500 families of 5.  Since our party has no need to eat, we have no idea how much food costs, so lets look at real-life numbers.  Suppose each family needs $300/month, which is actually on the frugal side.  We'll suppose loss of wages due to training requires $150/month/family to afford food.  That means every month you need to steal $375,000.  That's nearly a half a million dollars monthly.  So you think the law enforcement won't notice that crime wave?  Where do you expect to pull in that kind of money? 

Yeah, you'd totally die. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You have to keep in midn though that the elves will become subjects of the Qunari, instead of the humans. As per Qunari convention, the elves can either convert, be deported to labor camps (which is worse then alienages) or be killed. So the elves have to be serious about converting if they want Qunari help. In which case, they are just trading one master over the other.

I don't think you understand the concept of ALLIED. The Quanri did start a war with the Humans ( who btw deserved it ) but they are certainly reasonable ( as Sten who is Infantry Commander shows )

An alliance is done between equals. The Qunari are much more powerful than the elves, they can't possibly see them as being equals and allies. They might be allies during the war. But after, the elves are goign to be treated just like any other Non-Qun.  

[IPerrin]

and then there is the cash for the poison, the bribes, and the weapons

[Costin_Razvan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You have to keep in midn though that the elves will become subjects of the Qunari, instead of the humans. As per Qunari convention, the elves can either convert, be deported to labor camps (which is worse then alienages) or be killed. So the elves have to be serious about converting if they want Qunari help. In which case, they are just trading one master over the other.

I don't think you understand the concept of ALLIED. The Quanri did start a war with the Humans ( who btw deserved it ) but they are certainly reasonable ( as Sten who is Infantry Commander shows )

An alliance is done between equals. The Qunari are much more powerful than the elves, they can't possibly see them as being equals and allies. They might be allies during the war. But after, the elves are goign to be treated just like any other Non-Qun.  

We know so little of the Qunari that either way we can't say for sure what would happen ( though I still think they would allow the elves to be )

[internaty inmortelaty]

Creature 1 wrote...

internaty inmortelaty wrote...
the circle of magi i would offer independes witch is someting many crave for.
the dwarves i would covince that its only a mather of time befor they do to them what they did to us.
the elf's who got trained do so in there free time so they wont draw attation of the gaurds.
like i said befor i would also hire HUMAN infeltraitors and bribe human gaurds who ofcourse would be threated as equil. as i said i would poison most of the army so that even if they outnumber us many die at the first day.
as i said most of the leader's of the human's will die at there lovers hand leaving the humans leaderless for the most part giving us free reign for a few days atleast.
as for the eating problem thanks for reminding me all it take is some thieves to steal money for me from the humans and use corrupt mercant and dalis suppliers to smuggle food inside the city.

the only 2 problems i can see with my plan is if i am discovered to early for a attack there will be public exicusions and a price on my head.
2 people dont wanne rebel.
 p.s if you where a human leader you would be dead.

I've played the mage origin a couple times.  Some of the mages want independence, others are happy with the way things are, and others think that the Chantry needs to keep the mages sequestered to keep things under control.  The mages are not just going to fall over themselves to ally with you just because you say "No more Templars."  The mages may be less racist than most Ferelden humans, but they probably still think of non-mage elves as servants.  They would be unlikely to believe you would succeed.  They would probably fear that if you did succeed you would decide that they were no longer necessary and abandon them, since they are mostly humans, whom you hate.  If that happened they would be Annulled.  Siding with the elves in a human/elf war would be stupid. 

When you're working menial labor trying to support a family, you don't have much free time.  The elves live in poverty or at its edges.  Hunger is a problem for many of them.  They don't work 9 to 5 jobs and get two days off a week. 

In order to want to throw their lives away fighting an overwhelming force and betraying their race (since this is a human/elf conflict) and their country, a human would need to have a fanatical devotion to the elven cause.  I'm having a hard time imagining why this would be.  Maybe you could find a few such humans, but mostly they'd laugh at you and then report you as a troublemaker if you tried to hire them. 

Good luck with your poisoning plan.  Having that work on any large scale is impossible.  The logistical challenge is insurmountable. 

You seriously expect to get every key human figure to bed an elf, keep them around for up to several years, and then have them be conveniently present when it's time to start the attack?  If I were a human I think I'd start to notice that hot, willing elves were suddenly popping up around every noble in the city.  I'd get a bit suspicious! 

And lets look at the food problem.  We'll make up some numbers.  Say Denerim has a population of 250,000.  Say the population is 5% elf, leaving 12,500 in the Alienage.  We'll split those up into 2,500 families of 5.  Since our party has no need to eat, we have no idea how much food costs, so lets look at real-life numbers.  Suppose each family needs $300/month, which is actually on the frugal side.  We'll suppose loss of wages due to training requires $150/month/family to afford food.  That means every month you need to steal $375,000.  That's nearly a half a million dollars monthly.  So you think the law enforcement won't notice that crime wave?  Where do you expect to pull in that kind of money? 

Yeah, you'd totally die. 

lol your funny.
first off the magi will be will to cooperatide sins they respect irving and other leaders i would offcourse pusede people are after all like sheep they follow there herder if they argee or not.
secondly you would be supirsed how many people are willing to turn on there own for money.
third there is more the lovemaking to get close to a lord cooks can posion just as easly as can  clearners and other low jobs humans all too happy take elves for.
like i said most people use elven cooks with make posioning rather easy.
most elves in allainage are unemployed thos got plenty of free time.
the overwellming force you keep speaking off can be posioned trapped ambushed starved and numbers other way to make the lose massive losses only fools attack a larger force head on.
as for the money if there are 250,000 people in the city 2,500 of them are elven that would mean there are 247,500 humans. lets say we take 2 coin from them per month w would have 495,000 money a month minus bribe's and smuggle fee lets say we have 400,000 a month to feed people plus the small fact its the middleages gaurds can be bride to look the other way rather easy

Modifié par internaty inmortelaty, 13 janvier 2010 - 06:07 .

[internaty inmortelaty]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You have to keep in midn though that the elves will become subjects of the Qunari, instead of the humans. As per Qunari convention, the elves can either convert, be deported to labor camps (which is worse then alienages) or be killed. So the elves have to be serious about converting if they want Qunari help. In which case, they are just trading one master over the other.

I don't think you understand the concept of ALLIED. The Quanri did start a war with the Humans ( who btw deserved it ) but they are certainly reasonable ( as Sten who is Infantry Commander shows )

An alliance is done between equals. The Qunari are much more powerful than the elves, they can't possibly see them as being equals and allies. They might be allies during the war. But after, the elves are goign to be treated just like any other Non-Qun.  

We know so little of the Qunari that either way we can't say for sure what would happen ( though I still think they would allow the elves to be )

i wouldnt allied the qunari unless they offered it first must beter chance with dwarf's and magi you shoud ally those who are supprised by human giving a must higher chance of succes

[Creature 1]

internaty inmortelaty wrote...
lol your funny.

lol No, you're funny. 

first off the magi will be will to cooperatide sins they respect irving and other leaders i would offcourse pusede people are after all like sheep they follow there herder if they argee or not.

Are you under the delusion that Irving would join with the elves to fight against the humans???  He's in Greagoir's pocket (some have speculated more. . .)  Irving is not a friend of the elves, he's a friend of the mages, and he thinks the best way to serve them is being a friend of the Chantry. 

secondly you would be supirsed how many people are willing to turn on there own for money.

Provided it's safe, yes.  Joining with the elves against the humans is not by any means safe.  Where do you expect your traitors to go after the war?  Should they live with the elves?  The elves hate the humans.  The humans will definitely hate the elves after your little genocide plot.  They would crucify human traitors.  

third there is more the lovemaking to get close to a lord cooks can posion just as easly as can  clearners and other low jobs humans all too happy take elves for.
like i said most people use elven cooks with make posioning rather easy.

This is actually a better plan than putting an elf in their bed.  But it's still impractical.  I can't think of a single historic war that has started with a mass poisoning project.  If it were feasible, it would have been done.  Poison has only been used against isolated targets. 

most elves in allainage are unemployed thos got plenty of free time.

If they're unemployed they're occupied starving. 

the overwellming force you keep speaking off can be posioned trapped ambushed starved and numbers other way to make the lose massive losses only fools attack a larger force head on.

The thing about an overwhelming force is that it is overwhelming.  An overwhelming force cannot lose.  The only cases in which an overwhelming force has lost involve logistical problems with moving lots of people over lots of land and having to keep supply lines intact.  They are in Ferelden, they know the land, the infrastructure is present.  You're planning on hiding in the forests?  Burn it down.  Hiding in the Alienage?  Wall it in and wait.  There's no way to win. 

as for the money if there are 250,000 people in the city 2,500 of them are elven that would mean there are 247,500 humans. lets say we take 2 coin from them per month w would have 495,000 money a month minus bribe's and smuggle fee lets say we have 400,000 a month to feed people plus the small fact its the middleages gaurds cant be bride to look the other way rather easy

So you're depending on thousands of small scale crimes?  That means lots of pickpockets, and lots of opportunity for failure--and lots of really annoyed people demanding to know why the guards aren't cracking down on the Alienage.  I'm afraid you'd have a lot of elves dead on the ground in the marketplace if that's how you expect to bring in your funds.  There's no way a bribe can cover that amount of public outrage.  You won't investigate the rash of elven crimes?  Fine, you're fired, your replacement will do a better job.  If he doesn't get things straightened out pretty fast, he'll be out on the streets as well.  

[Lord Phoebus]

Conventional wisdom is that you can't beat a guerilla force as long the population supports them unless you're willing to annihilate the population. A guerilla force also can't hope to win if it doesn't have the support of the population. As long as the common folk aren't behind the elves, the humans don't have a problem. They can kill every man/woman/child in the Alienage and all the Dalish can do is launch guerilla strikes from the forest. They won't have support from the surrounding areas, since they're held by humans, they won't be able to extend their supply lines far from the forest since they won't be able to hold any territory and without an agrarian/manufacturing base they won't be able to create a stockpile of goods. The Dalish are essentially nomads, on the one hand that's good for the Dalish since they won't end up in an Alesia type of situation, but it also limits their aibilty to stockpile food and manufacture weapons for a protracted war.

As the human commander, you clear paths through the woods, construct a double wall with guard posts every 100 yds, or so, you send your patrols between the walls. The idea here is to divide the forest into sectors that divide the Dalish and break up their communication. If they want to stop you, they have to attack you and fight a battle on your terms. If they don't stop you, they're either divided, letting you bring all your forces against individual tribes, or all caught in the same section of the forest, in which case they'll deplete their resources and starve to death while you besiege them. The problems with this strategy is that it takes a long time and a lot of money, and if the elves don't surrender unconditionally you have to be willing to commit genocide.

As an elven commander, you really don't want to fight this war. To start with you need to convince the city elves to stay neutral, the humans might still wipe them out, but this is their best chance of survival. Maybe they can feed you some intelligence, but if they rebel they will be wiped out so you don't want them to fight. Next you want to start breeding mages, the Chantry keeps the human mage population under control so, while you can't mount an army that can defeat the humans using conventional warfare, you can out magic them. You also want to stress mobility in your forces. After this you need to be opportunistic, you have to wait until Ferelden is fighting someone else, preferably non-humans (since if they're fighting humans they may decide to put their differences aside to crush you). When you do strike, you want to be swift, use a fraction of your forces to begin attacking the countryside, destroying crops and grain supplies. When the humans send their first army against you want them to underestimate you so you can use your true forces to crush them. After this you want to continue moving around cutting off trade routes and destroying foodstuffs. You won't be able to win (eventually neighbouring states will help the humans and the Chantry might launch a crusade), but you should be able to negotiate an armstice under favorable terms, hopefully gaining some arable land and possibly an independent state.

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 13 janvier 2010 - 06:38 .

[biomag]

[quote]internaty inmortelaty wrote...

[quote]biomag wrote...

[/quote]


Sorry, but all who think that allies just make you stronger and thats reason enough to trust someone else, especially someone who has more power than you yourself , would not survive a single year as a political leader. The very least you should do before even start thinking about a rebellion is to put "The Art of War" back into the bookshelf and take out Machiavellis "Il duce". He spent enough time with medieval italian history and struggle for power as well its MAiNTENANCE.

Thinking the Qunari are interested in just beating the Fereldan is simply carless. You are risking your whole race based on a assumption that does not pass the test of experience and even less it took the Qun into your conciderations. People far too often see things just from their own point of view when they think about allies. Check the situation more closely:
1. Qunari and Tevinter are at war, so they can't afford a second war, even if they can, you force an alliance between Tevinter and Fereldan... and if these two win, get used to the fact of elven slaves - Fereldans elf-friends will become pretty seldom and their hate towards the elves would rise.
2. Qunari are the stronger part of this alliance, so what do the elves bring them? Just a bad equiped, badly trained, small in numbers, living in a position of weakness and missing any kind of war supplies (mainly food as they neither have farms nor can they steel such amounts as needed without getting noticed nor do they have the room for storage) army. The qunari would also have a valueable information. The elves a on the virge of a rebellion. They could simply tell Fereldan about the rebellion watch the humans and elves fight and meanwhile gether their forces while Fereldan forces are bound to the cites and not having the numbers needed to scout the borders. The chance the elves survive this war are slim anyhow, why waste energy forcing the own army pushing to the relive of the elves who will have tremendous losses anyhow?
3. Even if the elves win. What will prevent the Qunari from finishing off what Fereldan failed? They are already there, they have the bigger and stronger army and the elves want to follow the old elven ways and not the Qun. Why leave only to return years later when the elves may have recovered? I would finish the job.
4. What do the Qunari get? Nothing, except for beating Fereldan... while its a quite nice feeling, I would guess its not that satisfying once you look at the bill. Such an army costs quite a bit. Why leave the conquered territories to the elves?


You can exchange the Qunari for any ally. Only the dales have some interest in helping the alienage elves. Dwarfs aren't stupid. They get nothing by helping a most probably helpless case, while they could loose an ally in Fereldan. Also there is no sign of sympathy for the elves, especially those 2nd-rate people in the alienage. Most probably the dwarfs wouldn't interfere in this war. They need their forces against the blight anyway. There is also no more reason to belive humans would attack the dwarfs than elfs. No one showed any signs of interest for Ozammar, except for the darkspawn.


Mages... is this a joke? A really bad one even? Elves could provide pretty much NO HELP AT ALL. The elven army would be fighting at the cities. The human army would need no mages at the cities as they see them as a bigger danger than the elves for sure. So we have to expect the mages would be in the tower, still surrounded by the very same templars that are always there. The templars are not part of the Fereldan army so they won't participate in the battle around the cities. Face it, the mages don't dare to oppose the templars for their own freedome even less they would stay united in such a rebellion just to support the elves who can't help those in the mage tower. During the most critical time in this war, the beginning neither of them could support the otherone and both need the help of each other to even start dreaming of success.


Killing traitors and assinating noblemen... right. Its pretty easy, especially the king. We know it from our own history. Most political leaders got killed by assassins and no one ever survived to tale the story. You also see it in Fereldan day in day out. Nothing easier than that, its a sure win. Also traitors can always be recognized. Right. Human lords are not suspicious about elven maids, but elven rebells on all levels of command know and can trust all their conspiritors... yeah, right. You just forget that betraying an operation that has a slime chance of success anyhow compared to helping defeating it earning you quite some reward sounds maybe a little bit too temping as to be able to prevent any leaks within a rebellion through out the whole nation. The bigger it get the more sure you can be informations will leak and you won't be able to prevent it. Only hope left is that the enemy doesn't believe such informations and thinks its just stupid rumors. Thats taking chances and not a sure plan.

Next you forget is that you loose allies. No trustworthy human lord would support the elves when it comes to rebellion. You are demanding from them to turn on their own people and excpet them mass murder, while for stoppping the rebellion it may be enough to kill its leaders and grant the elves more rights. So why should they support you? How you will even convince all elves to stay on your side facing terrifying punishment for failure? How will you really prevent being betrayed by your own kin?

About the alienages - the last comment from my side - leaving the alienages is hardly an option. The old and the children would not survive being hunted by the human army... so either you leave them behind or you stay in the alienage. Leaving them behind is not an option (goodbye troop-moral), staying in the city is even less of an option. You have less troops, worse armor and arms, worse training AND your alienage is surrounded by citywalls and gates (I think we all know which side has free access to walls and gates and who they should keep out). You also don't have any siege equipment as you can hardly hide something like this within the city. You won't infiltrate the militia as they are human. So basicly after the first hours of chaos most certainly the humans would push the elven forces back into the alienage and then simply cut them of of supplies, which already are scarce.


Ok... this post is far too long... oups... I am done;)

[internaty inmortelaty]

good point biomag they would die

[Suron]

I can't help but laugh at these "tactics" the elf "leaders" on here say they'd employ to conquer humans.



yah "knife-ears" you'd get destroyed. You lost at the pinnacle of your civilization..and you think some poison and throwing a few elven ****s at nobles is gonna win a war? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..and the Qunari side with you? what planet are you from...yah they'd side with you only to turn around and conquer yer sorry butts when it was halfway done. Mages join you? yah predominantly human mage circles are gonna back your pathetic behinds...like Tevinter mages? yah ok...



the BEST elves can hope for is (as someone said) humans GIVING them (note the "GIVING" not the elves "taking" the Dales back.) And if you think even that would happen you're nuts...Sure let's say Fereldin agree's to this...Fereldin is a small country in the world..with the elves in Fereldin being even smaller then Elf population as a whole..



Try again. Elven uprising? You DO remember the Denerim Alienage don't ya?

[InvaderErl]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

As an elven commander, you really don't want to fight this war. To start with you need to convince the city elves to stay neutral, the humans might still wipe them out, but this is their best chance of survival. Maybe they can feed you some intelligence, but if they rebel they will be wiped out so you don't want them to fight. Next you want to start breeding mages, the Chantry keeps the human mage population under control so, while you can't mount an army that can defeat the humans using conventional warfare, you can out magic them. You also want to stress mobility in your forces. After this you need to be opportunistic, you have to wait until Ferelden is fighting someone else, preferably non-humans (since if they're fighting humans they may decide to put their differences aside to crush you). When you do strike, you want to be swift, use a fraction of your forces to begin attacking the countryside, destroying crops and grain supplies. When the humans send their first army against you want them to underestimate you so you can use your true forces to crush them. After this you want to continue moving around cutting off trade routes and destroying foodstuffs. You won't be able to win (eventually neighbouring states will help the humans and the Chantry might launch a crusade), but you should be able to negotiate an armstice under favorable terms, hopefully gaining some arable land and possibly an independent state.

This is the closest to a victory the Elves could imagine and I think it falls under everything turning out just how you want it and even this is a bit of a longshot simply because the Dalish are so disorganized.

[Few87]

We all know the elves would win, the humans are too clumsy

[KnightofPhoenix]

The elves can't out-mage humans. The Chantry is always on the look out for maleficars and apostates. If they find out that the elves are breeding more mages, they will immediately call for an exalted march.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The elves can't out-mage humans. The Chantry is always on the look out for maleficars and apostates. If they find out that the elves are breeding more mages, they will immediately call for an exalted march.

How do you breed mages btw? The Dhalish seem to keep theirs, how are they supposed to get more?

[InvaderErl]

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[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The elves can't out-mage humans. The Chantry is always on the look out for maleficars and apostates. If they find out that the elves are breeding more mages, they will immediately call for an exalted march.

How do you breed mages btw? The Dhalish seem to keep theirs, how are they supposed to get more?

Dagna can answer that
Someone suggested that the elves should get more mages. I don't know how they can do that.

[IPerrin]

A good enough assassin could kill the right Arl or Bann, at the right time, and get their family convinced a rival was to blame. With the right mix of civil wars, I could find the right human leader to set up to be king/queen, one open to equality between humans and elves. Hopefully the alienage wouldn't get trampled in all the mess (I'd be assuming I could go personally undiscovered the whole time).

[Valmy]

just because people are opressed doesnt mean they cant rebel serious does nobody read history.

The Humans and the Elves have fought constantly in Dragon Age history and the Elves have lost everytime (the exception being when they joined up with Andraste to fight the Imperium...and even then it did not end well).

People usually become oppressed because they lose, you might read some history yourself.