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[Brovikk Rasputin]

I always sit there for 5-10 minutes at the end, trying to decide what to do. One of the hardest decisions in the trilogy imo.

[DextroDNA]

scyphozoa wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

I love EDI, but I still pick Destroy without a second thought.

I just hope that they can rebuild her and the Geth somehow. I hope.

If this were possible, why wouldn't the Geth have restored Legion? They were on a planet that housed thousands Geth, had entire Geth facilities and servers established. If it were possible, it would have been possible on Rannoch.

It is odd how many people here seem to view synthetics as sub-life, or not "really alive." 

I don't know if they really believe this, or if they just want to believe this because it makes killing synthetics easier to swallow.

I'm pretty sure Legion destroyed his entire platform and all the Geth programs running inside it to upload the Reaper code. How do we know that the Crucible didn't just destroy the Geth units (bodies) and not their programs? They could still be safe inside the Consensus and be rebuilt.

[Deathsaurer]

scyphozoa wrote...

Simply put, if you are willing to commit genocide for your goals, then you are no better than a Reaper or the Catalyst. It shows the same kind of callous lack of appreciation for life that the catalyst and reapers show by using their solution.

I don't get this reasoning. All the endings make you no better than the Reapers when you get down to it. I'm not a fan of killing all synthetics either but every option (except refuse but I don't count it) is something the Reapers have done at some point.

Fredvdp wrote...

The Reapers do value life. That's why they want to preserve it in Reaper form.

And they deem synthetics alive and preserve them as well.

Modifié par Deathsaurer, 10 mars 2013 - 10:58 .

[DextroDNA]

scyphozoa wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...
I'm pretty sure Legion destroyed his entire platform and all the Geth programs running inside it to upload the Reaper code. How do we know that the Crucible didn't just destroy the Geth units (bodies) and not their programs? They could still be safe inside the Consensus and be rebuilt.

Are you willing to risk committing genocide to be that optimistic?

It's not optimisim.

It makes sense that the Geth would be safe in the Consensus, and only their physical bodies would be destroyed. But we don't know, because we're never really told.

[Neizd]

I still refuse. I won't discriminate other races. We fight and either win or die together.

[revo76]

If control was the ending which made Shepard 'The Space Emperor', i mean him/herself not his/her AI, i'd go for it... However i dont like the idead of AI Shepard..

[Crypticqa]

I will never pick destroy, I could never kill the Geth.
And really? That they can be rebuilt? Yea, they can be rebuilt as a synthetics in general, but you cant rebuild individuals like EDI and Legion.
Their experiences made them who they are.

[Fredvdp]

scyphozoa wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...
I don't see killing a race of synthetics as genocide because they are not alive. They may be programmed to pass the Turing test with flying colors, but in the end, they're still tools.

This is probably what a race of hyper-advanced synthetics think of humans and turians. its not a big deal because they are just meatbags that we can regrow a new crop of.

Not valuing life doesn't make it any more acceptable to take. 

The Reapers do value life. That's why they want to preserve it in Reaper form.

So what you're saying is that you value the preservation of life less than the Reapers? Grats, you're a monster.

The Reapers value life so much that they're willing to do monstrous things. As EDI said, the Reapers care only about preservation of life, but there is more to life. That's why she would risk nonfunctionality to save others.

Whether synthetics can truly be alive is up for a philosophical debate. Know that I when I destroyed the geth, I used the geth's philosophy to make my decisions. Legion said we shouldn't use the technology of others to advance, and I agreed, so I destroyed it.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 10 mars 2013 - 01:04 .

[Meeeps]

Yes, the Geth, Edi or other AI can be rebuild after you chose destroy, the Starchild AI itself tells you that, and the conflict between organics and syntetics will start again.

Edi is not just a sexbot, its experience with Shepard and the Crew made it. Same with Geth, you can't just rebuild those and hope your quilty concinence goes away, you won't bring Legion and those Geth back, which during time made peace with their makers.

[Fredvdp]

Meeeps wrote...

Yes, the Geth, Edi or other AI can be rebuild after you chose destroy, the Starchild AI itself tells you that, and the conflict between organics and syntetics will start again.

Edi is not just a sexbot, its experience with Shepard and the Crew made it. Same with Geth, you can't just rebuild those and hope your quilty concinence goes away, you won't bring Legion and those Geth back, which during time made peace with their makers.

I think it depends a bit on how you interpret the detsroy ending. I see it as a software wipe, and with high EMS, it mainly targets Reaper code. I think the geth can be restored to their old form, but not to the form they had after the Reaper upgrades.

[Meeeps]

yes but programming a AI again will never bring Edi or Geth back, just some other AI, maybe they are as nice or they go rogue, who knowns.

The key is you can't code Edi or Geth back, envolved AI code/improve them self, which make those Selfaware and alive.

Edit: I just meant you lie to yourself, if you chose destroy and think you can restore Edi and Geth. If you chose that, please also accept that you made genocide. (I don't judge if it is bad or good decision. ;-)

Modifié par Meeeps, 10 mars 2013 - 01:39 .

[Fredvdp]

Meeeps wrote...

yes but programming a AI again will never bring Edi or Geth back, just some other AI, maybe they are as nice or they go rogue, who knowns.

The key is you can't code Edi or Geth back, envolved AI code/improve them self, which make those Selfaware and alive.

EDI will definitely be unrestorable because of her Reaper code. With the geth it depends a bit on how the Crucible works. If it only targets Reaper code, then they're just dumber, but with their old code intact. Still, since the geth are not in the destroy ending, it's safe to assume the damage was too great and in that case they can't be restored to their old form.

[anmiro]

Destroy only makes sense for a renegade.

[Meeeps]

I chosed every ending once and I still have no favorite, maybe least is syntesis. What again do you guys fear if you chose control? You fear you will become like TIM, misuse your power.

Maybe you can also compare with WW2, they also chosed control over destroy.