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[Wicked 702]

After seeing this issue persist for more than a week I thought I'd try to lend my two cents....

As many people have mentioned, there has been general widespread success restoring your unlocked specializations via the "clear the cache" method. To be fair, I was part of the group that downloaded the title update but not the DLC...but I don't think that makes much of a difference. Also, this shortened method was not created by me. In fact, I saw it in a similar thread and decided to give it a go since it made sense to me conceptually.

I do believe that many of the people still having problems getting their specs to come back are either doing something wrong or doing too much. At least I hope this helps you. Here's the shortened version that worked for me (and brief explanations). I am assuming you have already experienced the locked specs problem...

Step 1: Clear the cache on your Xbox. This step has been mentioned many times before so I won't regurgitate. (Gets rid of the title update which was supposed to fix achievements. After this whole issue, I now believe that the spec unlocks are stored in a similar fashion as xbox live achievements.)

Step 2: Start up DA:O and load a save from BEFORE you downloaded the title update. Preferably right before the update, when you had the most specs unlocked. Hopefully you have one save like that. (Allows the game to reload and store what SHOULD be your specs, behind the scenes.)

Step 3: Immediately SAVE your game to a NEW file. (This may or may not be necessary. I did it...so best to do it for safety's sake.)

Step 4: Quit your game back to the title menu. Then quit back to your dashboard. Then shut off your Xbox. (Again, not sure if doing it EXACTLY like that is necessary but it worked so best to follow...)

Step 5: Turn Xbox back on. Start DA:O. Now...load the EXACT same save you loaded in Step 2. The one from BEFORE the update.

Step 6: Use a skill/point tome or level up and voila, ALL the specs you had should be returned to you.

The key here is that at no point was I required to re-unlock anything. I DID NOT have to go back and find a spec tome to "re-unlock" it. It was simply a matter of resetting the cache/achievement update and making the program load my specializations from a previous save. Saving and quitting saved it permanently (into some form of achievement style memory I assume) and then when I restarted everything was back. In fact finding an old tome/specialization you already unlocked might end up being a bad thing as it will trick the Xbox into storing that you ONLY had that spec unlocked...

Give this abridged version a try, without the other steps, and see if it works for you. I truly hope it does....

Modifié par Wicked 702, 19 janvier 2010 - 02:13 .

[sethroskull79]

Haven't been on here in 4 or 5 days. Whats up with the patch? Not the achievements patch , but the other one. Is it slated to come out whenever R to O comes out?

[SmJayne]

ApathyInBlood wrote...

I spent an additional 15 hours of gametime trying to get all the specializations unlocked. This is not looking good for my future purchasing within Bioware.

I have to agree. This is the first and probably last bioware product that I will purchase. Please don't misunderstand, I do enjoy the game and I also understand when things can be delayed, but tell us - it's simple PR 101 - keep your public informed. Also, this patch is ridiculous! I did unlock everthing and I also did the deletion and stared to unlock the specialty skills again and once again lost them.... I think it maybe time for Darksiders....very sad about this. I have been raving about the game and now I feel like and idiot for telling all of my gaming friends to purchase this game.....

[Sun and Snow]

Check the General Discussions forum for an update on the 360 patch bugs.

[Jonfrost007]

Wicked 702 wrote...

After seeing this issue persist for more than a week I thought I'd try to lend my two cents....

As many people have mentioned, there has been general widespread success restoring your unlocked specializations via the "clear the cache" method. To be fair, I was part of the group that downloaded the title update but not the DLC...but I don't think that makes much of a difference. Also, this shortened method was not created by me. In fact, I saw it in a similar thread and decided to give it a go since it made sense to me conceptually.

I do believe that many of the people still having problems getting their specs to come back are either doing something wrong or doing too much. At least I hope this helps you. Here's the shortened version that worked for me (and brief explanations). I am assuming you have already experienced the locked specs problem...

Step 1: Clear the cache on your Xbox. This step has been mentioned many times before so I won't regurgitate. (Gets rid of the title update which was supposed to fix achievements. After this whole issue, I now believe that the spec unlocks are stored in a similar fashion as xbox live achievements.)

Step 2: Start up DA:O and load a save from BEFORE you downloaded the title update. Preferably right before the update, when you had the most specs unlocked. Hopefully you have one save like that. (Allows the game to reload and store what SHOULD be your specs, behind the scenes.)

Step 3: Immediately SAVE your game to a NEW file. (This may or may not be necessary. I did it...so best to do it for safety's sake.)

Step 4: Quit your game back to the title menu. Then quit back to your dashboard. Then shut off your Xbox. (Again, not sure if doing it EXACTLY like that is necessary but it worked so best to follow...)

Step 5: Turn Xbox back on. Start DA:O. Now...load the EXACT same save you loaded in Step 2. The one from BEFORE the update.

Step 6: Use a skill/point tome or level up and voila, ALL the specs you had should be returned to you.

The key here is that at no point was I required to re-unlock anything. I DID NOT have to go back and find a spec tome to "re-unlock" it. It was simply a matter of resetting the cache/achievement update and making the program load my specializations from a previous save. Saving and quitting saved it permanently (into some form of achievement style memory I assume) and then when I restarted everything was back. In fact finding an old tome/specialization you already unlocked might end up being a bad thing as it will trick the Xbox into storing that you ONLY had that spec unlocked...

Give this abridged version a try, without the other steps, and see if it works for you. I truly hope it does....

This works but you dont have to restart your xbox , you also do not need to go to the dashboard. Just go to a toon you beat the game with before the patch load it up make a new save and load the new toon or make one. Thanks alot Wicked 702

Modifié par Jonfrost007, 19 janvier 2010 - 05:02 .

[Recon101]

Just to clarify. In my case I had no saves with specs. unlocked to go back to. I just used a new game I had started from scratch. The spec. info came from some outside source, ms servers like GT info. or EA servers that I am linked to finally. I didn't load old games resave etc. just CC played for a half-hour and voila. I see what you're saying Wicked and thanks for spelling it all out but the actual info must have come from the servers in my case.

[SmJayne]

so I tried once again the deletion that the tech support suggest.....well not only did I loose all of the specialty skills, now I don't have ANY of my characters because the Bioware server will not communicate with my Xbox.....not sure about anyone else, but I am done with Bioware and I regret the fact that I pre-ordered the next expansion disk.......waste of money

[ZombieEyez]

I've only recently started playing and have one level 3 character and I have no specializations unlocked. I did the title update beofre I knew it was broken. Does anyone know if, when I do unlock stuff, I'm going to have any problems? Should I just clear the cache anyway? I don't have any saves from before I did the update (overwrote it just before I heard about the bugs...).

[xXJimJam89Xx]

thanks wicked, all my specs are back. worked like a charm.

[Wicked 702]

Recon101 wrote...

Just to clarify. In my case I had no saves with specs. unlocked to go back to. I just used a new game I had started from scratch. The spec. info came from some outside source, ms servers like GT info. or EA servers that I am linked to finally. I didn't load old games resave etc. just CC played for a half-hour and voila. I see what you're saying Wicked and thanks for spelling it all out but the actual info must have come from the servers in my case.

Exactly, I'm just not super good at explaining stuff like this. But it appears to me, after lots of forum reading and research, that the specs are stored in a way as to be separate from your actual game files like saves and updates. Hence the comparison to Xbox live achievements as those are stored on the MS servers or something.

Essentially, the idea is to clear out the faulty patch (simple enough) and trick the machine into thinking it needs to go find those outside files. Makes sense that starting a new game would do that too. And I think you are right that steps 3/4 are essentially overkill. Once the game has decided to go looking for whatever file contains the achievements you've unlocked, it's only a matter of time before it will become a permanent update again.

[Wicked 702]

SmJayne wrote...

so I tried once again the deletion that the tech support suggest.....well not only did I loose all of the specialty skills, now I don't have ANY of my characters because the Bioware server will not communicate with my Xbox.....not sure about anyone else, but I am done with Bioware and I regret the fact that I pre-ordered the next expansion disk.......waste of money

I'm really sorry this isn't working for you. I too have experienced periodic inability to connect to whatever EA/Bioware profile thing I set up (which I have never used yet). But actually booting the game and connecting to the servers to check saves and dlc, I have had no problems. After a couple days I didn't get the failed to connect to profile message and then I got it again last night.

Ten years ago I'd have called myself an expert with computers. Nowadays I'm just a user like most everyone else but I can tell you that deleting something like the cache on the Xbox SHOULD NOT affect your ability to connect to this or that. (I'm sure it's possible but it should be highly unlikely.) Basically what I am saying is that I think that is just a Bioware server problem you have run in to as I frequently see other people with the same issue. And like I said, I did my step by step thing and couldn't connect to profile for a day or two, then it came back....now it's gone again. I think that issue is totally separate.

Check out this forum to see what I mean:
http://social.biowar...67/index/595153

Methinks not directly related to the specs problem.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:23 .

[Wicked 702]

ZombieEyez wrote...

I've only recently started playing and have one level 3 character and I have no specializations unlocked. I did the title update beofre I knew it was broken. Does anyone know if, when I do unlock stuff, I'm going to have any problems? Should I just clear the cache anyway? I don't have any saves from before I did the update (overwrote it just before I heard about the bugs...).

Simply put once you reach the point where you can unlock a specialization, if you do so, it will lock itself again once you exit the game. Of course, now you'll have used whatever tome or quest dialog used to get that specialization, so now you'll have no other way of obtaining it again.

If by chance you unlock it and assign it to a char without quitting, your char will keep the unlock but only that character will have access to the skills. Ultimately, you will either have to wait for the patch (they are testing it as mentioned in the general discussion forum) or clear your cache if you care to use your specialization skills on another person.

Ultimately for you it will likely be more of an annoyance than a real game breaking problem because I think they'll release the fix before you start pulling your hair out because none of your characters have those skills. Hopefully anything you unlock will come back once they release the patch.

[Chessrook44]

OK, so, before I do any of this Cache Clearing or whatever, I just have a few questions...



One: If I start a completely new game, will it still have the "unsaved specs" bug?

Two: What are the side effects of clearing a cache? What does it actually do? What is lost?

[Seanfall]

Wicked 702 wrote...

After seeing this issue persist for more than a week I thought I'd try to lend my two cents....

As many people have mentioned, there has been general widespread success restoring your unlocked specializations via the "clear the cache" method. To be fair, I was part of the group that downloaded the title update but not the DLC...but I don't think that makes much of a difference. Also, this shortened method was not created by me. In fact, I saw it in a similar thread and decided to give it a go since it made sense to me conceptually.

I do believe that many of the people still having problems getting their specs to come back are either doing something wrong or doing too much. At least I hope this helps you. Here's the shortened version that worked for me (and brief explanations). I am assuming you have already experienced the locked specs problem...

Step 1: Clear the cache on your Xbox. This step has been mentioned many times before so I won't regurgitate. (Gets rid of the title update which was supposed to fix achievements. After this whole issue, I now believe that the spec unlocks are stored in a similar fashion as xbox live achievements.)

Step 2: Start up DA:O and load a save from BEFORE you downloaded the title update. Preferably right before the update, when you had the most specs unlocked. Hopefully you have one save like that. (Allows the game to reload and store what SHOULD be your specs, behind the scenes.)

Step 3: Immediately SAVE your game to a NEW file. (This may or may not be necessary. I did it...so best to do it for safety's sake.)

Step 4: Quit your game back to the title menu. Then quit back to your dashboard. Then shut off your Xbox. (Again, not sure if doing it EXACTLY like that is necessary but it worked so best to follow...)

Step 5: Turn Xbox back on. Start DA:O. Now...load the EXACT same save you loaded in Step 2. The one from BEFORE the update.

Step 6: Use a skill/point tome or level up and voila, ALL the specs you had should be returned to you.

The key here is that at no point was I required to re-unlock anything. I DID NOT have to go back and find a spec tome to "re-unlock" it. It was simply a matter of resetting the cache/achievement update and making the program load my specializations from a previous save. Saving and quitting saved it permanently (into some form of achievement style memory I assume) and then when I restarted everything was back. In fact finding an old tome/specialization you already unlocked might end up being a bad thing as it will trick the Xbox into storing that you ONLY had that spec unlocked...

Give this abridged version a try, without the other steps, and see if it works for you. I truly hope it does....

Thanks for posting this and I do intend to try it. But before that I have a real quick question. Does this fix the Specs on all my charcters even those I made after the update? or just that one charcter? 

[Carmen_Willow]

I have a newbie question. Where do you look to tell if your specializations are locked or unlocked? Ignorant question, I know, but I haven't played many RPGs before this one.

[Nazraxo]

It's not such a newbie Question. I think you can only see your Specs when you're in the Level-Up Screen.

[peterstep]

What if you don"t have a save which happened before the update? I have been playing and I tend to recycle old saves. Is there any way that one can clean cache, load, turn off, rinse, repeat with any existing games?



Thanks

[Recon101]

Clearing cache will delete all game updates from your HD. This will mean the next time you pop Kotor or ES IV in your box it will automatically d-load fixes, updates and emulators that are stored on ms servers for those games. I have done this a dozen times and never lost any dlc, saves or anything I stored on my HD. As far as I can see the only reason to keep the faulty patch would be if you got 'Ostagar' but didn't finish and want the achievements. The patch fixed my GS for WK and that didn't change when I deleted it.

A new game will not have your unlocked specs or allow you to store new ones unless you CC.

I am no expert but if you CC there is a chance your previously unlocked specs. will come back automatically after a half hour connected to the servers. If you are getting the "cannot connect to severs error" there is a small chance they won't. (because that refers to DA or EA servers not MS where we think the spec. info is stored).

My specs lit back up while playing a new game not a previous save as I had no pre-patch saves on my hd. The trick is to force your box to check the servers after the patch is gone by restarting or just reloading which worked for JonFrost. Sorry that's alls I know.

Modifié par Recon101, 20 janvier 2010 - 08:51 .

[peterstep]

This is getting too complicated. It would be best if bioware just sent a "fix all specializations unlock problems" patch

[SmJayne]

Wicked 702 wrote...

ZombieEyez wrote...

I've only recently started playing and have one level 3 character and I have no specializations unlocked. I did the title update beofre I knew it was broken. Does anyone know if, when I do unlock stuff, I'm going to have any problems? Should I just clear the cache anyway? I don't have any saves from before I did the update (overwrote it just before I heard about the bugs...).

Simply put once you reach the point where you can unlock a specialization, if you do so, it will lock itself again once you exit the game. Of course, now you'll have used whatever tome or quest dialog used to get that specialization, so now you'll have no other way of obtaining it again.

If by chance you unlock it and assign it to a char without quitting, your char will keep the unlock but only that character will have access to the skills. Ultimately, you will either have to wait for the patch (they are testing it as mentioned in the general discussion forum) or clear your cache if you care to use your specialization skills on another person.

Ultimately for you it will likely be more of an annoyance than a real game breaking problem because I think they'll release the fix before you start pulling your hair out because none of your characters have those skills. Hopefully anything you unlock will come back once they release the patch.

Thanks for understanding and I did clear the cache before trying my final effort of deleting everything in hopes that I could re-connect to the Bioware server and deleting the cache did not affect the game in any form.

I am just going to put the game down for a little while in hopes that Bioware can correct ALL of the issues. From what I have discoverd (I have many gaming friends who are techs also) that Bioware is using a new platform for this game and most likely didn't test proberly for 'bugs.' I've also found out that Bioware has a history of producing games that have 'issues.' So in the future, it maybe wiser to wait and for-go the goodies for pre-ordering.

[Wicked 702]

Chessrook44 wrote...

OK, so, before I do any of this Cache Clearing or whatever, I just have a few questions...

One: If I start a completely new game, will it still have the "unsaved specs" bug?
Two: What are the side effects of clearing a cache? What does it actually do? What is lost?

No problem, easy answer to your questions. The bug is related to the title update ("patch" if you will) that was temporarily released with RTO. The bug will persist until either A: Bioware fixes it or B: You get rid of the offending update. Clearing the cache only removes updates, doesn't affect saves or settings.

So yes, a new character will still encounter the problem unless you clear it...

[Wicked 702]

Seanfall wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

After seeing this issue persist for more than a week I thought I'd try to lend my two cents....

As many people have mentioned, there has been general widespread success restoring your unlocked specializations via the "clear the cache" method. To be fair, I was part of the group that downloaded the title update but not the DLC...but I don't think that makes much of a difference. Also, this shortened method was not created by me. In fact, I saw it in a similar thread and decided to give it a go since it made sense to me conceptually.

I do believe that many of the people still having problems getting their specs to come back are either doing something wrong or doing too much. At least I hope this helps you. Here's the shortened version that worked for me (and brief explanations). I am assuming you have already experienced the locked specs problem...

Step 1: Clear the cache on your Xbox. This step has been mentioned many times before so I won't regurgitate. (Gets rid of the title update which was supposed to fix achievements. After this whole issue, I now believe that the spec unlocks are stored in a similar fashion as xbox live achievements.)

Step 2: Start up DA:O and load a save from BEFORE you downloaded the title update. Preferably right before the update, when you had the most specs unlocked. Hopefully you have one save like that. (Allows the game to reload and store what SHOULD be your specs, behind the scenes.)

Step 3: Immediately SAVE your game to a NEW file. (This may or may not be necessary. I did it...so best to do it for safety's sake.)

Step 4: Quit your game back to the title menu. Then quit back to your dashboard. Then shut off your Xbox. (Again, not sure if doing it EXACTLY like that is necessary but it worked so best to follow...)

Step 5: Turn Xbox back on. Start DA:O. Now...load the EXACT same save you loaded in Step 2. The one from BEFORE the update.

Step 6: Use a skill/point tome or level up and voila, ALL the specs you had should be returned to you.

The key here is that at no point was I required to re-unlock anything. I DID NOT have to go back and find a spec tome to "re-unlock" it. It was simply a matter of resetting the cache/achievement update and making the program load my specializations from a previous save. Saving and quitting saved it permanently (into some form of achievement style memory I assume) and then when I restarted everything was back. In fact finding an old tome/specialization you already unlocked might end up being a bad thing as it will trick the Xbox into storing that you ONLY had that spec unlocked...

Give this abridged version a try, without the other steps, and see if it works for you. I truly hope it does....

Thanks for posting this and I do intend to try it. But before that I have a real quick question. Does this fix the Specs on all my charcters even those I made after the update? or just that one charcter? 

It will fix ALL specs you've unlocked for ALL characters as research seems to indicate that your "specs" are stored somewhere other than locally on your Xbox. Clearing the cache and either loading a save from before the update or starting a new game is simply getting rid of the offending data and forcing the game to contact whatever source or server that is storing your "spec" file. Once the game grabs that file again, your problem should be fixed....wherever it is.

[Wicked 702]

peterstep wrote...

What if you don"t have a save which happened before the update? I have been playing and I tend to recycle old saves. Is there any way that one can clean cache, load, turn off, rinse, repeat with any existing games?

Thanks

Sure like others have mentioned, do the first step like normal but instead of loading a save just start a new game with a new char and play for maybe 30 min. Save that game just to be safe and quit. From what others have said you don't actually have to totally quit the game to your dashboard or power down your Xbox but obviously that doesn't hurt. Once you start back up you should be able to load up any game (loading your new char's save and checking there probably wouldn't hurt) and the specs should all be back...for all characters and saves.

[B376Bishop]

Like many others, I got caught in the title update (for you noobs, it's the update that says, "A new update is available for this game. Would you like to download it now?) I didn't get stuck in the whole Return to Ostagar mess, but was just as disappointed, believe me.

After spending a handful of hours on hold with the EA people (1-866-543-5435) I learned that they really don't have any idea what they're talking about (one of the reps, an ignorant broad named Brandi, actually told me that all she could do for me was "google my problem"...)

It seems EA is too busy strokin' themselves to actually come up with a solution, or even the ability to tell the general public that they simply don't know the answers to our questions...



So I came here out of desparation. My specializations were "re-locked" and no matter how much time I spent backtracking to get the darn Blood Mage, it would still "re-lock" after I turned my 360 off.



After reading Wicked 702's thoughts, I figured "what the poop", I might as well try to fix it (that or give up on the whole game entirely out of anger and frustration).



Surprisingly, after following all of Wicked's directions (to the freakin' letter), "poof", there were my specializations again. Let me mention too, that I'm something of a noob, I had never cleared my 360's cache before (I don't even know what exactly the cache is).



I was just thankful that it worked and I'm givin' shouts to you Wicked 702, you rock. And whomever you pieced those thoughts from, I give it up to you too.

You did what EA and Bioware could not, you tried somethin'. And, you had the balls to post what you tried online, something that even the stupidest exec at EA or Bioware should jump on and scream. Hey, if someone else was smart enough to solve your problem, send 'em a hundred bucks and a T shirt and post their solution on your web site and all the other associated sites.

At least try to look good in front of your customers. Hell, admit you made an error and be the big boy you know..?



And finally (while I'm in the bashin' mood), to everybody that criticizes the programmers and the playtesters and the designers... What the crap is wrong with you? You really think writing a game program is simple?

Do you really think you could do any better?



Come on people, I complain as loud as everyone else but I also know that I don't have a clue what makes a video game operate. I can't imagine spending years on designing a code. I can't imagine the pressure of having to be certain that everything is flawless and that nothing conflicts.

And, we can't imagine the pressure from above, the basterds at the top that whine like little girls and say, "When's it good? When can we release it and get our bonuses? Come on, isn't it good enough? Can you have it done by midnight, tonight?"



Be good people and keep tryin' stuff.