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[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

[Riot Inducer]

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

[JohnShades]

Most used does not necessarily equal over-used. I'm not saying you're wrong just pointing out a flaw in your logic.

[Feneckus]

It used to be the perfect gun for pretty much every single class.

The Lancer changed that. Much better on casters.

[Rucent]

If 90% of the AR's didn't suck, that might not be the case. Also, it is perfectly balanced.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Riot Inducer wrote...

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

And that's the thingy. It is an AR with sooooooooo much punch. Totally declasses some burst fire and semi-auto-weapons and as we all know these should offer a good niche between rapid fire and heavy damage. It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not. I am happy that the Lancer is pretty much a counterweapon to it, but still....every AR should be viable. Not just these two and the PPR/Brophoon on some stagger resistant classes.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 10 mars 2013 - 05:01 .

[born2beagator]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

if it hasn't happened by now, its not going to happen.  Sorry nerfers.  I think you are out of luck on this one.  Might as well stop whining about it

[SavagelyEpic]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not.

It does the same, actually.

[Jovian09]

Problem is it's a pretty boring gun. Mattock is much more fun and challenging to use.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

Point out how many other assault rifles that operate on the harrier's level. You will only be able to come up with a few. Some of the other assault rifles should be buffed instead of talking nonsense about nerfing the harrier. It packs a punch, it had a pathetically low clipsize to compensate, the hell else do you want?

[TheBunz]

It's not overpowered. It has so little ammo that you have to hug the ammo boxes for it to be useful. In platinum runs, I hate those noobs because they do no damage and steal all your nades and ammo. It's a **** gun if you know how to play.

[Dist0rt3d Hum0r]

I personally don't think its overused per say, just used a whole lot, but thats not overused mind you.

In all seriousness though, I dont really care if someone in my squad wants to use a harrier. By all means, go ahead. I especially love seeing Demolishers use it because I know they'll pick a good vantage point to post up (usually). I don't really use it because I personally dont like the demolisher class, and thats really the only viable class I can see using it that doesnt have to dryhump an ammo box all the time.

I wouldln't mind seeing a small buff to its reserve ammo, or maybe a nerf to the firing rate and a buff to damage? Or a buff to ammo capacity and a nerf to damage to balance it out? IDK, just some thoughts on my part.

[Leeeeeroy jenkins]

The fact that something is used a lot is the dumbest reason possible to nerf it. "Hey people like that thing, let's take it away!"

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not.

It does the same, actually.

On X, yes. On the levels below, it does more.

Jovian09 wrote...

Problem is it's a pretty boring gun. Mattock is much more fun and challenging to use.

And that's what I refer to. I see insane numbers of TGIs, GIs and even AIUs with Harriers. Shouldn't challenging weapons do more damage? (Yes, I bring up that argument since Rebellion came out, but still it is more true than ever). Spare ammo is a problem you say? Immortal TGIs and AIUs don't give a damn. Or just camp out that ammo box and their fellow Cabal has no more ammo for her executioner then. :<

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 10 mars 2013 - 05:07 .

[born2beagator]

Dist0rt3d Hum0r wrote...

I personally don't think its overused per say, just used a whole lot, but thats not overused mind you.

In all seriousness though, I dont really care if someone in my squad wants to use a harrier. By all means, go ahead. I especially love seeing Demolishers use it because I know they'll pick a good vantage point to post up (usually). I don't really use it because I personally dont like the demolisher class, and thats really the only viable class I can see using it that doesnt have to dryhump an ammo box all the time.

I wouldln't mind seeing a small buff to its reserve ammo, or maybe a nerf to the firing rate and a buff to damage? Or a buff to ammo capacity and a nerf to damage to balance it out? IDK, just some thoughts on my part.

Nope.  Doesn't need anything.  The ammo clip is what keeps it balanced.  Its perfect the way it is.

[waltervolpatto]

Used a lot then retired... I like the lancer, but I like the combo of CSMG + tech ammo + explosion much better ... Explosion everywhere... PPR does not need ammo box in plat.....

[SavagelyEpic]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not.

It does the same, actually.

On X, yes. On the levels below, it does more.

Well yes, but let's be frank: who doesn't have a Mattock X? The thing's an uncommon.

And Harrier X's aren't exactly common.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 10 mars 2013 - 05:10 .

[Lisl]

I'd take your Harrier IV, Harrier XIV here I come (should solve that ammo problem, too)

jk

But its an UR so it should be better then the most AR's, the thing is there aren't that much AR's that are that easy to use, more recoil, lower dmg, etc.

I don't judge anyone for using the Harrier, but I wouldn't use it on every kit like some people do.


IMO the Harrier is fine, no need to nerf.

[Riot Inducer]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

And that's the thingy. It is an AR with sooooooooo much punch. Totally declasses some burst fire and semi-auto-weapons and as we all know these should offer a good niche between rapid fire and heavy damage. It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not. I am happy that the Lancer is pretty much a counterweapon to it, but still....every AR should be viable. Not just these two and the PPR/Brophoon on some stagger resistant classes.

Well yes, lower tier ARs need some love, especially the full auto ones. They're either outclassed by SMGs of the same rarity or completely outclassed by UR ARs. Thing is, I don't believe nerfing the Harrier will suddenly make the Collector AR or Phaeston the go-to guns, the underperforming ARs need some buffs.

[Curzyfish]

I'd like to see it's recoil fixed personally

[etm125]

born2beagator wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.
Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

if it hasn't happened by now, its not going to happen.  Sorry nerfers.  I think you are out of luck on this one.  Might as well stop whining about it

OP where is this data? I'm interested.

Gator, I think most so called nerfers would also be ok with a buff to the other ARs so long as you don't see blatantly skewed use statistics like OP says. It's just a whole lot of work to buff everything else rather than tone down 1 thing. If you buff all other ARs then you run the risk of making ARs overpowered in relation to other weapon types and have to consider a chain reaction of buffing all other weapon types-- which makes the game easier-- which means you have to consider buffing enemies.

Edit: It's just really sad to see a game with boatloads of kits and weapons boiled down to a handful that see actual use. I think even by Stikman's "dominant theory" argument against balancing this says the Harrier has become the dominant strategy.

For the record, as a nerfer, I'm in the air on this one. The harrier has incredible damage but even at 10 you get like 5 clips. Gone in the blink of an eye. But, if I'm being faithful to an idea of balance, if 90% of the people are using it then that says it has made the AR selection irrelevant. What holds me back is the fact that it's one of the few ARs that is serviceable. I'd take a hurricane over 90% of the ARs. Hell I'd take most of the pistols over the ARs. Yeesh. If we look at AR balance then it's clearly out of whack. This suggests a nerf. But if we look at overall weapons, I can't really justify nerfing an AR.....

Modifié par etm125, 10 mars 2013 - 05:16 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

born2beagator wrote...

Dist0rt3d Hum0r wrote...

I personally don't think its overused per say, just used a whole lot, but thats not overused mind you.

In all seriousness though, I dont really care if someone in my squad wants to use a harrier. By all means, go ahead. I especially love seeing Demolishers use it because I know they'll pick a good vantage point to post up (usually). I don't really use it because I personally dont like the demolisher class, and thats really the only viable class I can see using it that doesnt have to dryhump an ammo box all the time.

I wouldln't mind seeing a small buff to its reserve ammo, or maybe a nerf to the firing rate and a buff to damage? Or a buff to ammo capacity and a nerf to damage to balance it out? IDK, just some thoughts on my part.

Nope.  Doesn't need anything.  The ammo clip is what keeps it balanced.  Its perfect the way it is.

So.
-> Insanely high damage per shot
-> Extremely precise
-> Precise even out of cover
-> Medium weight, a maybe on casters

-> low ammo.

Yep, exactly the same number of pros as contras.

The devs said that they balance stuff if it is used too much themselves. These are not my words.

[born2beagator]

Riot Inducer wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

And that's the thingy. It is an AR with sooooooooo much punch. Totally declasses some burst fire and semi-auto-weapons and as we all know these should offer a good niche between rapid fire and heavy damage. It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not. I am happy that the Lancer is pretty much a counterweapon to it, but still....every AR should be viable. Not just these two and the PPR/Brophoon on some stagger resistant classes.

Well yes, lower tier ARs need some love, especially the full auto ones. They're either outclassed by SMGs of the same rarity or completely outclassed by UR ARs. Thing is, I don't believe nerfing the Harrier will suddenly make the Collector AR or Phaeston the go-to guns, the underperforming ARs need some buffs.

I think a nerf to the harrier will just make people only use the PPR or Lancer if they have them.  But then the nerfers will go after those guns because "they are overused"

[Rhayak]

Dammit i still have to unlock it >

How's the Lancer tho, compared to the CSMG? I only tried it on the DLC but of course that's not indicative.

[MittelBienchen2]

Where are these telemetrical data, you're talking abou?
A link would be nice.