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[waltervolpatto]

Rhayak wrote...

Dammit i still have to unlock it >

How's the Lancer tho, compared to the CSMG? I only tried it on the DLC but of course that's not indicative.

if you have the CSMG at a decent level is one of the best.... I like that better than lancer but my lancer is at V

[COLZ7R]

So if the harrier gets nerffed so it is not the most used wep. What then? Their will always be a most used something, do they all need nerffed?

[Tonymac]

No other AR is powerful. Why would I use anything else?

[waltervolpatto]

  Based on this nerf the collector and the destroyer

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

etm125 wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...
 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.
Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

if it hasn't happened by now, its not going to happen.  Sorry nerfers.  I think you are out of luck on this one.  Might as well stop whining about it

Based on that nerf the acolyte the hurricane and the destroyer..... And the collectors...
OP where is this data? I'm interested.

Gator, I think most so called nerfers would also be ok with a buff to the other ARs so long as you don't see blatantly skewed use statistics like OP says. It's just a whole lot of work to buff everything else rather than tone down 1 thing. If you buff all other ARs then you run the risk of making ARs overpowered in relation to other weapon types and have to consider a chain reaction of buffing all other weapon types-- which makes the game easier-- which means you have to consider buffing enemies.

It's just really sad to see a game with boatloads of kits and weapons boiled down to a handful that see actual use. 

This post is a win. +1 for you good sir.

This is the data I'm refering to:



You can also get it here

@The guy above: The pro-nerf fraction is not some kind of anti-fun-gestapo. It is a pro-variety fraction.

Modifié par waltervolpatto, 10 mars 2013 - 05:37 .

[STRANGE10VE]

Fix the recoil glitch on the harrier and it's fine. Buff the other ARs. Because of the harriers popularity, a straight up damage or rof nerf would drive off whats left of the player base.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

born2beagator wrote...

JPN17 wrote...

If you don't like the Harrier then don't use it. No reason to get upset at the people who do.

I think this guy just wanted some attention today

You are aware that I have always said no to the Harrier since it was introduced? I expected a gun with some nice mechanics. Instead, it is an AK-47 with an Apple Design that spoiled the entire variety. Long range AR? Saber? No. Harrier. Short range AR? Argus? No, Harrier. Medium range? Of course Harrier! Pure damage? What else but the Harrier, no ramp-up! Caster AR? Okay, now there is the lancer, I'll give you that. 

It simply makes too much stuff obsolete. I'd like all ARs buffed as I said but I do not assume it will happen. A nerf is more likely and also more of a common solution. The recoil bug fixed, that would be the solution. But no patches in the near future. Meh.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 10 mars 2013 - 05:38 .

[WaffleCrab]

i actually use the harrier on pretty few classes. Demolisher, aaaaand.... thats it, other than that it is an odd whim here and there, i prefer weapons that dont force me to give a diamond ring to an ammobox.

[Flardan]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

And that's the thingy. It is an AR with sooooooooo much punch. Totally declasses some burst fire and semi-auto-weapons and as we all know these should offer a good niche between rapid fire and heavy damage. It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not. I am happy that the Lancer is pretty much a counterweapon to it, but still....every AR should be viable. Not just these two and the PPR/Brophoon on some stagger resistant classes.

Let me throw in my few cents here about the Mattock vs Harrier.

The Harrier is auto-fire weapon, hence it is able to deal out damage quite faster than the Matthock can. I use the Mattock on Gold and I can say they are both powerful, except Matthock is semi-automatic, which means you fire one shot per trigger squeeze. But the shots are no doubt powerful.

So Mattock isn't unviable because of it, but it has a diffrent playstyle to it due to it's semi-automatic nature, aswell as it's bigger ammo capacity than the Harrier. If anything, Harrier is only slightly more powerful pre shot, but it is the automatic nature of the Harrier that makes it that powerful, though suffer in clip-size in order to balance it. I have to run often to an ammo pack whenever I take out phantoms or brutes since they can take a full clip or 1.5 each to down. Phantoms even more since they get DR whenever they dodge (unless this is fixed?).

I use my asari vanguard with a Mattock and stasis as the ultimate 'anti-phantom' as it rips the Phantom to shreds once she is immobilized and shots to the head are OUCH in damage. Even Brutes, if you are using AP rounds, flinch at the sight of someone with a Mattock.

But yeah, Harrier seems OP, except it is more like a rapid fire version of Mattock suffering in terms of clip-size, but some think the Mattock is useless compared to the Harrier. Just saying.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I don't really have a strong opinion on the Harrier, since mine's at level 1, and I prefer the Sabre (which I have at X.)

But, technically, doesn't the telemetry simply prove that there is a most popular weapon? I haven't looked, but I don't recall a ratio comparing Harrier use and other weapons' use. Maybe I should check again.

[nrcrane]

So... your basis on something that needs to be nerfed is that it is the most used? Ok, so lets nerf the harrier so it's no longer the most used, but wait! Now there is another most used weapon, maybe it's the hurricane, what should we do? Nerf it!

You see how dumb your argument is? There is always going to be a weapon that is used more then the others. It doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

nrcrane wrote...

So... your basis on something that needs to be nerfed is that it is the most used? Ok, so lets nerf the harrier so it's no longer the most used, but wait! Now there is another most used weapon, maybe it's the hurricane, what should we do? Nerf it!

You see how dumb your argument is? There is always going to be a weapon that is used more then the others. It doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed.

That is the dev's opinion. And that's also why for instance HM and Cloak were nerfed. If something is used too much, it gets nerfed, period. See demo and destroyer. Shooting gets more and more important, soldiers are the most popular class, destroyer is the most used kit, Harrier is the most popular weapon. Basically, the statistic says that powers are less and less important.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 10 mars 2013 - 05:48 .

[DHKany]

Meh.

Harrier got stale quickly. Although it is fun to use on the Quarian Marksman.

Makes it sound like a popgun on steroids.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

nerf, no, buff everything else even to harrier, yes

[etm125]

nrcrane wrote...

So... your basis on something that needs to be nerfed is that it is the most used? Ok, so lets nerf the harrier so it's no longer the most used, but wait! Now there is another most used weapon, maybe it's the hurricane, what should we do? Nerf it!

You see how dumb your argument is? There is always going to be a weapon that is used more then the others. It doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed.

I don't expect people to read other threads on nerf v buff but it'd be nice if people read the replies in the actual thread before saying the exact same thing that's already been pointed out/discussed. Especially when it's only 3 pages.

Re: There is no percentage given on the weapon choices. If it's by a few percentage, correct. This is not a valid reason for a balance. However, if it is by a huge margin, >20%, then we probably have a problem. See page 2.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...

nerf, no, buff everything else even to harrier, yes

I like this human! He understands.

[dcal31]

The thing that I find assuming is that you see "Nerf the Harrier" about every two hours. According to the referred data, the Hurricane is the second most used gun. Where are all the "Nerf the Hurricane" threads? Think about it, when was the last time you saw an assault rifle other than the Harrier in a match (above Silver)? Probably not that long ago. Now how about the Hurricane? I'm going to guess months. So why no hate on the Hurricane, a gun which clearly about classes every one in it's class, who's only drawback is stability, which can be almost completely elliminated with gear and/or equipment? By your own argument, the Hurricane should be right on the top of your list of guns that need nerfed.

[St3v3H]

Stop your ****ing and whining and find some friends to play with. I hardly see the Harrier being used. And even if a lot of random lobbies use the Harrier what is the problem?

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

dcal31 wrote...

The thing that I find assuming is that you see "Nerf the Harrier" about every two hours. According to the referred data, the Hurricane is the second most used gun. Where are all the "Nerf the Hurricane" threads? Think about it, when was the last time you saw an assault rifle other than the Harrier in a match (above Silver)? Probably not that long ago. Now how about the Hurricane? I'm going to guess months. So why no hate on the Hurricane, a gun which clearly about classes every one in it's class, who's only drawback is stability, which can be almost completely elliminated with gear and/or equipment? By your own argument, the Hurricane should be right on the top of your list of guns that need nerfed.

With the difference that also the Hurricane runs out of ammo quite fast. And it is only obtainable with RNG luck. 

And unlike the Harrier it is not auto-suited for every distance.

[U Bite My Pillow]

If they were going to "nerf" the Harrier at least make it a balanced change. If anything increase its weight by .2 BUT increase its spare ammo by 40.

Makes it less usable for power based kits like a Fury but better for Soldiers.

[VII Revenant]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

And that's the thingy. It is an AR with sooooooooo much punch. Totally declasses some burst fire and semi-auto-weapons and as we all know these should offer a good niche between rapid fire and heavy damage. It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not. I am happy that the Lancer is pretty much a counterweapon to it, but still....every AR should be viable. Not just these two and the PPR/Brophoon on some stagger resistant classes.

Which means others should be brought in line with the Harrier, Lancer, Typhoon and Particle Rifle. No assault rifle should be nerfed.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

VII Revenant wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

It's overused because there are too few alternatives that offer similar handling and power. I fully expect the Lancer to take a chunk out of the Harrier's popularity once more people start getting it.

And that's the thingy. It is an AR with sooooooooo much punch. Totally declasses some burst fire and semi-auto-weapons and as we all know these should offer a good niche between rapid fire and heavy damage. It deals more damage than the fricking Mattock despite the desc clearly says it does not. I am happy that the Lancer is pretty much a counterweapon to it, but still....every AR should be viable. Not just these two and the PPR/Brophoon on some stagger resistant classes.

Which means others should be brought in line with the Harrier, Lancer, Typhoon and Particle Rifle. No assault rifle should be nerfed.

That's what I'd prefer as well. but buffing lotsa ARs is more work and may unbalance the game more than nerfing one AR. :/

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 10 mars 2013 - 06:03 .

[LegionofRannoch]

The lancer needs to catch up.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Rucent wrote...

If 90% of the AR's didn't suck, that might not be the case. Also, it is perfectly balanced.

This, basically.

[VGFM]

Harrier still isn't that great on Platinum, what with players being starved for ammo in that mode and being faced with nothing but bosses who require at least a clip to go down.

[ajburges]

I only have a level II, but even then there are only a few other AR's I would consider:
> Falcon (ammo procs)
> Saber (SR replacement)
> GPR (on Geth)
> PPR (No ammo)
> Lancer (If I get one)
> Striker (Fun TGI abuse)

The rest are garbage. Some (like the Argus) are almost acceptable when buffed by TGI, but that is just the TGI talking.