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[templarphoenix]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

templarphoenix wrote...
I don't use Harrier, because you will run out of ammo soon and I am not the one who camp ammo box.

There are lots of guys who do this nevertheless. Damage eats fun obviously.

"Will run out of ammo soon if you keep shooting like this" bothers me and limits my damage output, especially when I am nowhere near the ammo box.
That's why my main weapon is revenant and argus.

[COLZ7R]

This is all just guess work from a few people with a axe to grind, plain and simple. With no stats to back it up at all. Unless you can show that the harrier is used far more than the number 2 wep its all pointless

[pisonmison]

people like should be banned from any online game possible.

[Major Durza]

COLZ7R wrote...

This is all just guess work from a few people with a axe to grind, plain and simple. With no stats to back it up at all. Unless you can show that the harrier is used far more than the number 2 wep its all pointless

I've reformatted my post, outlining how the Harrier is objectively better assualt rifle than the Lancer, even for casters.

Modifié par Major Durza, 10 mars 2013 - 07:49 .

[Silvershroud]

templarphoenix wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

templarphoenix wrote...
I don't use Harrier, because you will run out of ammo soon and I am not the one who camp ammo box.

There are lots of guys who do this nevertheless. Damage eats fun obviously.

"Will run out of ammo soon if you keep shooting like this" bothers me and limits my damage output, especially when I am nowhere near the ammo box.
That's why my main weapon is revenant and argus.

This is my opinion exactly.  I haven't used the Harrier for anything except the AR challenge for a long time.  If I want an AR, I will use the Revenant, Argus, Mattock, or PPR.  Never the Harrier.  Maybe the Lancer/Typhoon if I ever unlock them.  I absolutely hate being tied to the ammo box.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

pisonmison wrote...

people like should be banned from any online game possible.

People like....?

[Lathlaer]

There will always be a "most popular weapon". We have no knowledge about other weapons usage so it may be that the difference between Harrier and the 2nd-3rd most used weapon isn't that big. Therefore this data couldn't be a nerfing factor.

[Ledgend1221]

I love how the OP provided numbers and a credible arguement to support his case.

[Daxamite]

Meh. I only use it on drell adept and tgi because I run to ammo box for their grenades so I get annoying for harrier at same time. Leave it alone, I'm only at harrier iii

Modifié par PhoenixUK, 10 mars 2013 - 07:57 .

[Major Durza]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

pisonmison wrote...

people like should be banned from any online game possible.

People like....?

People who do not believe there should be always an objectively better option, apparently.
We who don't want to make one style of play objectively better than another should be banned from playing games!  *gasp*

...
Maybe in Soviet Russia,

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

I love how the OP provided numbers and a credible arguement to support his case.

Seems almost misplaced on BSN eh.

[Major Durza]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

I love how the OP provided numbers and a credible arguement to support his case.

Seems almost misplaced on BSN eh.

You could go off my info that everybody apparently skimmed over.
The Harrier is overused for a reason.  1.25 weight at X is meaningless, and few people give a F about low ammo count, especially on Silver(where low level Harriers thrive) and Gold.

[Malanek]

Something had to be the most used. Is it used a lot just because it is powerful or because it is easy to use as well? Probably a combination of both.

There are several weapons which are a bit overpowered. There are several powers that combine a bit too well with weapons. Just nerfing the harrier is not going to fix the games balance problems, they should just take what they have learned and try and improve the balance for ME4. Only nerf things in ME3 now to fix extreme balance problems which the harrier is not.

[Baby Quarian]

Lancer.

[Major Durza]

Baby Quarian wrote...

Lancer.

Is objectively worse, outside of Platinum matches on Condor, Dagger Hazard, and maybe Glacier.

[Lord Chun]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 

Typical misunderstanding of why people want nerfs.

See that's where your wrong about me. I myself don't see a nerf to the Harrier neccessary because of reasons already stated. Now your reason for a nerf is because of an infograph. With you reasoning we should also nerf the Hurricane and the Acolyte because they obviously are overpowered. Are they better then most other weapons in their class? Yep. Are they better then other weapons in other classes? Yep. So they need nerfed as well then correct?

Plus your reason for the nerf is only really based off of a Bioware infograph. Bioware nerfs things using their servers statistics. The Krysae got its huge nerf becaus Biowares  info said it was used X% of the time. X% must be a rather high number  (remember everyone and i mean everyone used the krysae) or the Harrier would have been nerfed long ago.

TC and HM got their nerfs because they made the game stale in terms  of characters ( all though soldier has been the highest used class since day1).  TC because it had both Damage and Duration going for it. With the original duration you could use power or TC every 2-3seconds depending how long it was active. hM because it made the GI out class every other Infiltrator by miles. I'm going to stop there as I'm on the IPad and can't see what I'm typing any more plus I need food.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Major Durza wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

I love how the OP provided numbers and a credible arguement to support his case.

Seems almost misplaced on BSN eh.

You could go off my info that everybody apparently skimmed over.
The Harrier is overused for a reason.  1.25 weight at X is meaningless, and few people give a F about low ammo count, especially on Silver(where low level Harriers thrive) and Gold.

Yeah, I always knew it was overused, I always hated it, I always wanted other ARs to be buffed and that recoil bug fixed, but now I can see that it is actually true. And I agree with you. It just breaks AR balance a little.

[Bolo Xia]

everyone should start at level 20 as well, because it is unfair to everyone below.

also level 20's are overpowered too.

this is basically what you guys are saying when you ask for nerfs to UR guns to be even with lower tier weapons.

but of course this is BSN, so common sense isnt strong around here.

btw if you nerf the harrier, the typhoon or lancer will be the next king, so do you have a contingency plan in place to deal with those guns too?

will the avenger be the new harrier when your done nerfing everything?
which case it will still just be the crappy avenger.

[dcal31]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

dcal31 wrote...

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With the difference that also the Hurricane runs out of ammo quite fast. And it is only obtainable with RNG luck. 

And unlike the Harrier it is not auto-suited for every distance.

The Harrier has 100 base ammo. The Hurricane has 320 base ammo and double the rounds per clip with a comparable rate of fire. Therefore the Hurricane should last approx. 3x as long before having to restock. Also, stability mods/equipment the Hurricane has an equal or greater range comparable to the Harrier. With both, it is more accurate. Therefore, the Hurricane has all of the "offensive" qualitlies of the Harrier with almost no tradeoffs.

Additionally, the Hurricane is, stastically, much easier to obtain. The Harrier costs 99000 credits for a chance at getting one out of a pool of 16. The Hurricane is a (almost) guranteed free weekly chance out of a pool of 5. Therefore, statistically, it is far more likely that the average player has a Hurricane than the Hurricane and likelier at a higher level. By your argument, everything that is wrong with the Harrier is magnified in the Harrier. Therefore, again by your basis of argument, you should also be in favor of a Hurricane nerf.

[vlight]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

So which gun is perfectly balanced according to you?

Modifié par vlight, 10 mars 2013 - 08:11 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

vlight wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

So which gun is perfecctly balanced according to you?

Take the Argus for instance. High damage, good at short-middle range, medium weight, sufficient spare ammo, but then it gets balanced by those facts: Garbage at long range, insane recoil, insane bullet spread, refire delay is a little high, and during firing breaks you are extremely vulnerable.

And yes, I dislike the Hurricane as well.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 10 mars 2013 - 08:13 .

[TeamLexana]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

Touch my Harrier and I will cut you.

I don't even over use it because I am a challenge score addict, lol. When I do use it, it's ike ahhhhhh, the clouds have parted! the rain is gone! free at last! free at last!
 
I'm shocked I haven't seen more - if any at all really - threads to nerf the Lancer. It seems to hit at least as hard as the Harrier, if not harder (I don't have my Lancer at a 10 like my Harrier yet to say for sure), but it doesn't suffer from the Harriers lack of ammo. In fact, the ammo is infinate. Just don't empty the clip and you're good to go.

Modifié par TeamLexana, 10 mars 2013 - 08:17 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

TeamLexana wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

Touch my Harrier and I will cut you.

I don't even over use it because I am a challenge score addict, lol. When I do use it, it's ike ahhhhhh, the clouds have parted! the rain is gone! free at last! free at last!
 
I'm shocked I haven't seen more - if any at all really - threads to nerf the Lancer. It seems to hit at least as hard as the Harrier, if not harder (I don't have my Lancer at a 10 like my Harrier yet to say for sure), but it doesn't suffer from the Harriers lack of ammo. In fact, the ammo is infinate. Just don't empty the clip and you're good to go.

The Lancer hits actually with about 65% of Harrier damage and also spreads a lot more.

[TeamLexana]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

Touch my Harrier and I will cut you.

I don't even over use it because I am a challenge score addict, lol. When I do use it, it's ike ahhhhhh, the clouds have parted! the rain is gone! free at last! free at last!
 
I'm shocked I haven't seen more - if any at all really - threads to nerf the Lancer. It seems to hit at least as hard as the Harrier, if not harder (I don't have my Lancer at a 10 like my Harrier yet to say for sure), but it doesn't suffer from the Harriers lack of ammo. In fact, the ammo is infinate. Just don't empty the clip and you're good to go.

The Lancer hits actually with about 65% of Harrier damage and also spreads a lot more.

Maybe it's the headshot modifier that's higher on it then? Cuz I swear it feels like I kill stuff faster.  think I remember in the preview dlc vid one the dudes told the other to aim for the heads with Lancer because it got big a big headshot bonus.

Not that I am asking for a nerf for the Lancer, just making an observation, lol.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

TeamLexana wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

Touch my Harrier and I will cut you.

I don't even over use it because I am a challenge score addict, lol. When I do use it, it's ike ahhhhhh, the clouds have parted! the rain is gone! free at last! free at last!
 
I'm shocked I haven't seen more - if any at all really - threads to nerf the Lancer. It seems to hit at least as hard as the Harrier, if not harder (I don't have my Lancer at a 10 like my Harrier yet to say for sure), but it doesn't suffer from the Harriers lack of ammo. In fact, the ammo is infinate. Just don't empty the clip and you're good to go.

The Lancer hits actually with about 65% of Harrier damage and also spreads a lot more.

Maybe it's the headshot modifier that's higher on it then? Cuz I swear it feels like I kill stuff faster.  think I remember in the preview dlc vid one the dudes told the other to aim for the heads with Lancer because it got big a big headshot bonus.

Not that I am asking for a nerf for the Lancer, just making an observation, lol.

Actually not. 2.5 as usual.