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[Cyonan]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

The Harrier is far less effective than a majority of biotic/tech powers, not to mention it doesn't wipe out groups of enemies, or curve around corners.

I know some of you would like the more complicated biotic/tech combo's to rule the game, but you may just have to live with the fact there may be a couple kits that will focus on an actual useful weapon, without the need to reload cancel or activate a power 1.25555 seconds before you need to shoot, then roll to the right while holding the heavy melee for 2 seconds before repeating the steps in that precise order 150 more times through the 11 waves.

I bet biotic explosions are used more than the Harrier, and we all know they are much more effective. Should those be nerf'd as well?

The only BE spammers that can really compete with a solid weapons user is the Drell Adept or N7 Fury. BEs tend to fall behind weapons users unless they have a primer or detonator that isn't on the GCD.

Nerfing the Harrier isn't actually going to change this since it's mostly casters using it, except for Turian Ghosts.

[dysturbed0ne]

Cyonan wrote...

dysturbed0ne wrote...

The Harrier is far less effective than a majority of biotic/tech powers, not to mention it doesn't wipe out groups of enemies, or curve around corners.

I know some of you would like the more complicated biotic/tech combo's to rule the game, but you may just have to live with the fact there may be a couple kits that will focus on an actual useful weapon, without the need to reload cancel or activate a power 1.25555 seconds before you need to shoot, then roll to the right while holding the heavy melee for 2 seconds before repeating the steps in that precise order 150 more times through the 11 waves.

I bet biotic explosions are used more than the Harrier, and we all know they are much more effective. Should those be nerf'd as well?

The only BE spammers that can really compete with a solid weapons user is the Drell Adept or N7 Fury. BEs tend to fall behind weapons users unless they have a primer or detonator that isn't on the GCD.

Nerfing the Harrier isn't actually going to change this since it's mostly casters using it, except for Turian Ghosts.

A solid weapons user. When I hear that statement, I think of a shotgun user. Can you name some builds built around the Harrier? Probably not, the Demolisher is probably the closest, but without grenades she would be useless and she can be as effective with some other weapon. So how can a weapon be OP if you can't even make a build around it.

The Harrier is a good complimentary weapon, but doesn't stand on it's own due to the lack of ammo.

Modifié par dysturbed0ne, 11 mars 2013 - 04:02 .

[Cyonan]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

A solid weapons user. When I hear that statement, I think of a shotgun user. Can you name some builds built around the Harrier? Probably not, the Demolisher is probably the closest, but without grenades she would be useless and she can be as effective with some other weapon. So how can a weapon be OP if you can't even make a build around it.

The Harrier is a good complimentary weapon, but doesn't stand on it's own due to the lack of ammo.

Solid weapons user are the kits that deal the majority of their damage via weapon damage(such as Infiltrators or Human Soldier).

There are no builds that are built for one and only one weapon. Even though I designed my N7 Destroyer with the PPR in mind, it's not like it's not also really effective for the Typhoon or any ramp up weapon. My Turian Ghost is built to do well with the Harrier, but it's not like he doesn't also do good with almost every other Assault Rifle in the game.

However, that had nothing to do with what I said. You said that BE are better than weapons.

I was pointing out that weapons users are currently better off than BE spammers not called Drell Adept or N7 Fury are(which are about equal), even without the Harrier.

[DrunkenReflex]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

An opinion as poorly reasoned as it is written. Make a list, sort it by usage, and SOMETHING will show up at the top. This is only an indication of community preference, and has no relevance to game balance.

[weaselshep]

rather than nerf the harrier they ought to increase the Revenants power.

[TouchedByYou]

When I first got the Harrier, I used it because I loved the damage output. But as time went, I just loved the feel of it. No other assault rifle was quite the same. The Mattock, PPR, and Harrier were my favorites. Now though, the Lancer is my favorite assault rifle in the game period. It's not got as much damage output as the Harrier, but because of the technically infinite ammo, if timed right it's a lot better in my personal opinion. Plus I just like the feel of it. So even if the Harrier gets nerfed, I could care less. I do agree that it's probably slightly too powerful, but its lack of ammo almost makes up for that.

[Das Rouse]

Keep on keeping on OP. So what if it is the most used. What was the most used character? Should we nerf that too?You have had the biggest hard on for this. I hope they don't touch the Harrier, doesn't matter to me though, because my Lancer is at X.  Why do people use it so much?  Because they feel that it is good enough despite the ammo shortage.  

Modifié par Das Rouse, 11 mars 2013 - 05:36 .

[Michaelxdrift]

Wished all ARs were better. Buff all ARs

[Muhkida]

I still don't see why Bioware hasn't buffed the Revenant yet...

[NexionSE]

how do i even get the harrier to work? i have it at IX and it still cant 1 clip(i mean the entire ammo suply on it) a banshee on a destroyer
as my PPR can on ACollector.
and to kill an atlas i have to make like 2 trips to the ammo box any tips?
or is it just good to kill trash with?

Modifié par NexionSE, 11 mars 2013 - 06:14 .

[L.ast L.ife]

DeathIsHere wrote...

Popularity doesn't mean something is overpowered.

[Rib0flavin]

Well you know what. Mcdonalds sells billions of burgers. They must have the best damn tasting hamburgers ever made ever!

[mgc1971]

What's the point of this thread, OP?
You dont like the harrier.I get it.So? Dont's use it.End of story

[Stinja]

Poor data to make any judgement, it might be:

4.61% Harrier
4.60% shrunken
4.60% katana
4.59% Claymoar
4.59% Eagle

Yes harrier used most, but that doesn't mean excessively.
And as said McDonalds is hardly gourmet food, but stats may show their burgers are "most popular", it just dosent mean they're good.

Personally I only use the Harrier on my Asari Vanguard, she's running for grenades anyway, so high burst DPS with low ammo isn't a problem. I don't recall any other kits which use it, as there's always a more interesting / better / less annoying option.

Edit:  I should add at low levels (1-3 say) it's one of the better guns.  So popularity may be because if you get lucky in a SP/PSP it may be you goto gun until you unlock a rare at much higher levels.  At 1 it's solid, while many rare and URs need multiple unlocks.

Modifié par Stinja, 11 mars 2013 - 07:40 .

[mybudgee]

Buff the revenant

Biower pls

[COLZ7R]

MittelBienchen2 wrote...

Where are these telemetrical data, you're talking abou?
A link would be nice.

does not have any, has 1 partial stat and is guessing the rest to further his own OPINION.

[Shadowdeagle]

I am still trying to get my first harrier. RNG gives me both ultra rare volus', yet no harrier? Shenanigans Bioware!

Also Harrier is most likely the best weapon in the game. It has great stats all around, only thing it lacks is ammo. And that's not a problem at all. I run out of ammo with my Eagle faster then you can say "Hello I shot you 20 rounds in face".

Also funny how OP stated many times, he rather see all AR buffed then Harrier nerfed.

[MajorStupidity]

L.ast L.ife wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

Popularity doesn't mean something is overpowered.

I agree, however, Bioware seems to balance more around popularity than power level of a kit... So it would make sense for something to happen to the harrier. Not a personal request for nerf just an observation about patterns in balance changes.

[Clearly Balkan]

Cerberus Harrier isn't overpowered, overused & it's perfectly balanced.

I think you should pack your pathetic whine with you OP & GTFO.

[Shadowdeagle]

You know the easiest way to know that is the best weapons, equipments, characters, is by looking at what is the most popular. People usually don't use ****ty weapons afterall.

This pretty much goes with anygame, the most used strategy/weapon/class/anything is usually the best and most likely is overpowered.

Overpowered weapons tend to be well...    overused.

Modifié par Shadowdeagle, 11 mars 2013 - 09:38 .

[Talon1571]

Am I right in thinking it really is just a Mattock X with full auto instead of semi auto? If that's the case, I'm surprised people aren't complaining about the Mattock more. Its ability to single shot means its a head-shot monster; a higher ROF with less accuracy would actually make the Harrier worse.

[Alex_Dur4and]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

OP, you don't know what you are talking about.

If they nerf the Harrier, you will be back here tomorrow crying about how the M-7 Lancer is OP... and if that gets nerfed as well, it will be the Particle riffle... and by that time, you will have no friends! lol

By the way, the Harrier is 1 of 3 really good assault riffle options. The most damage dealing, not by far, but the only gun without unlimited bullets and a small clip size.

If something HAS to get nerfed, it's Tacticle Cloak, Defense Matrix and Stim Packs

Oh, and I forgot, The Geth Infiltrator is SOOOOO overpowered it's not even funny...

Modifié par Alex_Dur4and, 11 mars 2013 - 10:07 .

[cowwy]

Now I don't think the Harrier is OP, but I feel it would be hypocritical for them to not nerf the Harrier at this point when they specifically stated they nerfed Tactical crutch because it was overused. And while tac cloak was and is legitimately overpowered, if the reasoning given for nerfs is accurate, then the standard has to hold true for all cases.

[Alex_Dur4and]

double post

Modifié par Alex_Dur4and, 11 mars 2013 - 10:03 .

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Harrier needs to be looked at. I've seen people equip it on drell adept, slayer and fury
This should not be vaiable IMO