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[N7-RedFox]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

People use the Harrier most because the rest of the weapons are sub-par trash when u need to fight off platinum enemies. True the PPR and Typhoon do a reasonable job. But when you're beig flanked left right and centre by Trolloons and Phantoms, only one AR is gonna give u a fair fight. And that AR is the Harrier.

So before they go ahead and nerf the only decent AR into oblivion, Bioware should instead, consider buffing a lot of other AR's.

[Computron2000]

Harrier drawback is most obvious on platinum while PPR shines there, However, the fewest number of people play on platinum (ignoring those begging to be carried), so this point gets lost among the crowd. On gold, only hazard dagger has a similar impact (less impact on condor due to ammo box placement)

[QU67]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

You know what else is overused? Missiles. I see people use them every game. It should be nerfed because literally everyone uses it.  This is your argument.  If you don't want to use your Harrier, then don't use it.

So what do you think of the Lancer, seeing as it's just as powerful as the Harrier with infinte ammo? Why is the Lancer okay but the Harrier is not?

Modifié par QU67, 11 mars 2013 - 10:21 .

[Impius]

I really wonder why people complain about harrier. Tons of damage, small clip.

Ofc, i use it alot if i play batarian adept or ghost, sometimes, if i am out of shotguns-amps, i use it also on the human soldier. But for my self, i am a claymore, wraith and piranha freak. And, did u guys ever used a scorpion on a volus? Crowd-control par excellence. I always wondered how to break the scoreboard with a volus, the answer is simple, play a tight map, use any volus an spam with scorpion. I love my scorpion on X.

For me the harrier is simply overrated, and i really don't care how many people use it. I have it on X, and it is fun on some chars, it is cool to kill a banshee with 2 clips, but nothing goes over my scorpion and over my claymoar!!!

[sN00Z]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

Can you post a link to the webpage where it shows where you found the telemetric meta-data? Does bioware post such data for public viewing?

If data on the harrier is released, what about other weapons/items/chars, those values would be interesting to see.

[Impius]

sN00Z: blog.bioware.com/2013/03/07/happy-one-year-anniversary-mass-effect-3/

Modifié par Impius, 11 mars 2013 - 10:34 .

[blaster1 112]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

you might say the harrier is overused, sure it is accurate and powerful but isn't that exactly why it is an UR...
i have it at lvl 2 and i have a lvl 1 Lancer.
I do not use the harrier anymore due to the lancer making it obsolete.


Quick Comparison:

                      Harrier                Lancer
 Damage      100%                  about 75%
Clip size         32                       68
(with 80% increase) 
Spare ammo Harrier 2-3 clips lancer has Unlimited best is to fire until you have less as 5 rounds remaining. so you have no reload.
Accuracy   Good                        comparable to M-8 Avenger

Damage of the Harrier per clip is 32 * 100% = 3200 dmg. (with the 100% being the Harrier i don't know about the real damage per shot)

Lancer 63 * 75 = 4725 dmg. (i took 63 to compensate for not using up entire clip and for overheating it sometimes. as long as you hit 43 bullets of your clip you will do more damage as a harrier BUT firing it takes longer because the RoF is slightly lower and the accuracy is less.

I do however prefer this over the Harriers need of constantly having to watch your spare ammo rendering the harrier useless anywhere but near an ammo box or a constant run to the ammo box.
Also the lancer is quite a lot lighter

Modifié par blaster1 112, 11 mars 2013 - 10:45 .

[blaster1 112]

QU67 wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

 According to the newest telemetrical data we received, the Harrier is the most used weapon in the game. To all the people claiming that the Harrier is not overused, perfectly balanced and that I should GTFO, consider this a middle finger towards you. I've made my point often enough and would like to toss my Harrier IV (second highest UR...kill it..) away in the fires of Mount Doom.

So, Bioware once said they only balance stuff to prevent overusing. I say now is the time.

Hopefully there will be some looking into this in the next balance changes. Any words on that? 

You know what else is overused? Missiles. I see people use them every game. It should be nerfed because literally everyone uses it.  This is your argument.  If you don't want to use your Harrier, then don't use it.

So what do you think of the Lancer, seeing as it's just as powerful as the Harrier with infinte ammo? Why is the Lancer okay but the Harrier is not?

Lancer is less accurate and has a long reloading animation when overheated. it is not just as powerful in terms of DPS but when you compare clips it is way more powerful. and as you said infinite ammo all the way.
It is the most powerful unlimited ammo weapon (i think) because the particle rifle has the load-up time and requires a LOT of time out of cover in order to be effective. the CSR has a way to small clip so a lot of overheating, the SMG misses the damage the Lancer is best overall.

[sN00Z]

Impius wrote...

sN00Z: blog.bioware.com/2013/03/07/happy-one-year-anniversary-mass-effect-3/

Thanks, I thought that page only posted challenge weekend info.

Geth Infiltrator isn't even ranked as ONE of the most popular kits, lol. I recall recently all the chatter about how overpowered the GI is and that its ruining the public playing experience because so many people are using it, therefore creating a near homogeneous enviornment. 

After looking at the data.

1) Harrier is a ultra rare, I'm not sure if people are understanding this concept, but ultra rare means it is "VERY RARE" in a case that you will obtain this weapon. You have the least chance of obtaining such weapons, and if you factor in what other ultra rares you may receive, well.....

Many individuals spend millions of credits just to obtain this weapon, and people generally like to enjoy the fruits of labor. 

*Main reason why I use the harrier:

It appears my assault rifles sans harrier, PPR, and typoon are very naughty, no matter how many times I try to teach them proper behavior they seem to not understand the concept that when I use them to shoot enemies I expect the enemies to die. Not be tickled and roll over on the ground, pointing their finger at me and laughing. 

Modifié par sN00Z, 11 mars 2013 - 10:55 .

[Impius]

It is all situation depending. With a harrier, or a lancer, u r never able to kill 10 or more enemies (depending on how big the crowd is), in 14 -16 seconds. A scorpion can since it staggers the crowd, so it cant go away.

Modifié par Impius, 11 mars 2013 - 10:53 .

[WaffleCrab]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Nerf the Harrier.


Buff the Spitfire, Typhoon, Revenant, Phaeston, etc.


Especially the Spitfire and Revenant. They need big buffs.

Why do people just ask for buffs, those weapons need something more, true, but it has to be something that sets them apart, not just raw damage.

[d_nought]

I don't even care tbh. When our group does no rocket speedruns, I used the Harrier once then chucked it back in the pile and went back to using the Typhoon/Javelin. Likewise, I have switched my PUG regular class from TSe/GE Harrier to TSe/GE CSMG/Wraith. It's good, and it's weakness is pretty insignificant, but imo there's decent reason to use all of the other pre-Reckoning URs and most of the promotionals. I also don't find it to be accurate or stable enough for its purpose. Yes, it's more accurate and stable than the Typhoon, but the Typhoon can afford to waste ammo. So on and so forth.

[sN00Z]

chipsandwich wrote...

I don't even care tbh. When our group does no rocket speedruns, I used the Harrier once then chucked it back in the pile and went back to using the Typhoon/Javelin. Likewise, I have switched my PUG regular class from TSe/GE Harrier to TSe/GE CSMG/Wraith. It's good, and it's weakness is pretty insignificant, but imo there's decent reason to use all of the other pre-Reckoning URs and most of the promotionals. I also don't find it to be accurate or stable enough for its purpose. Yes, it's more accurate and stable than the Typhoon, but the Typhoon can afford to waste ammo. So on and so forth.

My harrier is at level X but my typhoon is only at level 3, the ultility of the harrier dwarfs my typhoon at the moment. I assume that will no longer be true after my typhoon gets leveled up?

I only seem to use the typhoon my n7 destroyer or Turian solider. 

[Arppis]

WaffleCrab wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Nerf the Harrier.


Buff the Spitfire, Typhoon, Revenant, Phaeston, etc.


Especially the Spitfire and Revenant. They need big buffs.

Why do people just ask for buffs, those weapons need something more, true, but it has to be something that sets them apart, not just raw damage.

How about super accuracy for them? No recoil and stuff. I'd take that.

As I have said loads of times before. Harrier is used so much, because other automatic AR's just suck. If they wouldn't, you would likely see more variety. I know I'd use some other guns because I love automatic AR's. I always use them in every game. Not this game thou, they suck in this game so much.

Modifié par Arppis, 11 mars 2013 - 11:22 .

[d_nought]

sN00Z wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

I don't even care tbh. When our group does no rocket speedruns, I used the Harrier once then chucked it back in the pile and went back to using the Typhoon/Javelin. Likewise, I have switched my PUG regular class from TSe/GE Harrier to TSe/GE CSMG/Wraith. It's good, and it's weakness is pretty insignificant, but imo there's decent reason to use all of the other pre-Reckoning URs and most of the promotionals. I also don't find it to be accurate or stable enough for its purpose. Yes, it's more accurate and stable than the Typhoon, but the Typhoon can afford to waste ammo. So on and so forth.

My harrier is at level X but my typhoon is only at level 3, the ultility of the harrier dwarfs my typhoon at the moment. I assume that will no longer be true after my typhoon gets leveled up?

I only seem to use the typhoon my n7 destroyer or Turian solider. 

Don't take too much value in what I say. I have a tendency to shun the most mainstream options for no rational reason.

[IrishDeath420]

who gives a sh*t

why do people care so much how other people enjoy this game

Modifié par IrishDeath420, 11 mars 2013 - 12:44 .

[COLZ7R]

IrishDeath420 wrote...

who gives a sh*t

why do people care so much how other people enjoy this game

because it gives them pleasure(not in a normal way!!)

[Dark Tlaloc]

Arppis wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Nerf the Harrier.


Buff the Spitfire, Typhoon, Revenant, Phaeston, etc.


Especially the Spitfire and Revenant. They need big buffs.

Why do people just ask for buffs, those weapons need something more, true, but it has to be something that sets them apart, not just raw damage.

How about super accuracy for them? No recoil and stuff. I'd take that.

As I have said loads of times before. Harrier is used so much, because other automatic AR's just suck. If they wouldn't, you would likely see more variety. I know I'd use some other guns because I love automatic AR's. I always use them in every game. Not this game thou, they suck in this game so much.

Yeah, this is the main problem. For example, one of my favorite guns in the game is the
Valkyrie, which I have at VI. Try as I might, I can’t make the thing very
useful past Silver; I can use it on Gold, but it just takes too much effort to
kill even one enemy. Instead of wasting precious extra seconds (and possibly a
second clip of ammo), I could just switch to my Harrier, and would have a much
easier time of it. While I don’t do this often, it’s still irritating to know
that I’d have much more success doing so. I mean, c’mon, my Harrier is at II,
my Valkyrie at VI; there’s no reason the former should be so much more
effective than the latter. The issue is that the Harrier functions as it
SHOULD, and the majority of ARs don’t. 

[bondiboy]

It is over-used- Because it is one of best guns in this game.

[EagleScoutDJB]

The Harrier is good but for certain characters the Saber is my weapon of choice. The Asari Justicar with the Saber is one of my favorite characters.

[dysturbed0ne]

Impius wrote...

sN00Z: blog.bioware.com/2013/03/07/happy-one-year-anniversary-mass-effect-3/

That is all the OP is basing his claims off of? Something has to be on top, the Harrier makes sense since it is versitle, just like an AR should be. BW has left it alone this long (as they should), I don't see them nerf' ing it now, on the back-end of the games life cycle.

You mad OP?

Modifié par dysturbed0ne, 11 mars 2013 - 01:32 .

[UKStory135]

Leeeeeroy jenkins wrote...

The fact that something is used a lot is the dumbest reason possible to nerf it. "Hey people like that thing, let's take it away!"

That's exactly why the put they charge back on the Acolyte

Modifié par UKStory135, 11 mars 2013 - 01:40 .

[RustySam]

Harrier is the only AR that acts like one. I really dislike features like burst fire, ramp-up time and crazy recoil. Guns that release constant stream of death when trigger is pulled are the best for me.

[Dark Tlaloc]

RustySam wrote...

Harrier is the only AR that acts like one. I really dislike features like burst fire, ramp-up time and crazy recoil. Guns that release constant stream of death when trigger is pulled are the best for me.

Agreed. While I love the PPR, it’s kind of sad that (arguably)
one of the two best ARs in the game is a beam rifle, and not an actual AR at
all. Kinda tells you the state of ARs in MP.