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[Wayning_Star]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

Identical twins don't even share identical genetics. 

Might want to brush up on your science, bro.

yeah, I was gonna say something about the left/right sides of the human body are, well..different yet the same..but still, for a chat session..meh?

[garrusfan1]

shepard would have likely shared the spotlight with clone shepard but clone shepard decided to go evil twin racists guy. although when I saw brooks walk away I did feel bad. I tried to save him the first time but then he lets go and slams into the building

[xBUMMx]

When suddenly Science took over a sympathy thread.

[Omega Torsk]

Y'know, I really didn't feel sorry at all. He chose his path. He decided to be a tool and used unscrupulous methods to come out above Shepard.

Yes, I felt sorry when Brooks abandoned him, but if he was truly Shepard, he would've put better stock in his teammates.

He was nothing more than a rabid dog and my Shepard put him down. There can be only ONE!

[yesikareyes]

I did! I felt like he was just manipulated by Brooks to further her own agenda. It's like she played on the whole idea that the clone was abandoned and nobody wanted. She fooled him into thinking she was his friend. Thus, he followed her every command. I mean if Shepard found him, I would have taken the clone under my wing and I bet he wouldn't be so evil.

[Wayning_Star]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It would be Shepard, only now twice over.

But it wouldn't be. That's like saying identical twins are the same person.

Identical twins are NOT clones..

Genetically speaking, yes, they are. There would be no difference between a pair of monozygotic humans and a pair of cloned doubles.

But that wasn't my point. The point is that having identical genes does not make you interchangeable with another person, especially if you have radically different life experiences and formative environments.

so much for father like son eh?

genetics plays a further role than mere experience, otherwise evolution wouldn't work.. would it?

[Spartan901]

I think I was suppose to feel bad. But when him and Brooks trapped me, I clearly told them I would kill them both, rip their heads off, something to that effect. So frankly I had to deliver on my threats. So...kicked into the building he went

[ofarrell]

I felt bad for him even though he tried to kill me and my squad. It's kind of how I felt bad for Carver

[What a Succulent Ass]

Wayning_Star wrote...

genetics plays a further role than mere experience, otherwise evolution wouldn't work.. would it?

Wat

[High Kicks]

I felt sorry for the clone. He woke up and knew whatever it is Brooks wanted him to know. She was twisted and in turn made him twisted. Poor guy didn't have any positive influence from day one. His sole purpose for exisiting is jacked up and they threw him out anyway.

His sad face when Brooks wouldn't come to their rescue...just sad. So sad.

But, Cerberus wasted Credits, CloneShep could have been used instead of Kai Leng, I think.

Modifié par High Kicks, 11 mars 2013 - 02:17 .

[xBUMMx]

Okay if this thread turns into a Nature vs. Nurture debate, I'm just gonna quit.

[Wayning_Star]

yesikareyes wrote...

I did! I felt like he was just manipulated by Brooks to further her own agenda. It's like she played on the whole idea that the clone was abandoned and nobody wanted. She fooled him into thinking she was his friend. Thus, he followed her every command. I mean if Shepard found him, I would have taken the clone under my wing and I bet he wouldn't be so evil.

if reapers couldn't manipulate shep, how could ding dong spy girl do it? Some thing would have to 'give'..or take, eventually.. maybe there just wasn't enough time..lol

(acutally I suspected her from the gitgo..but..that's another story..didn't really accept the idea(metagamed) of any clone tho..that irked me no end..so simple in such a complicated universe..etc..)

[EloreRainbrought]

no ....he mess with my space hamster. , now this is personal....

[Wayning_Star]

xBUMMx wrote...

Okay if this thread turns into a Nature vs. Nurture debate, I'm just gonna quit.

nah, I was thinking clwoneshep would just make a nice pet..like Legion and Edi..

[o Ventus]

Wayning_Star wrote...

if reapers couldn't manipulate shep, how could ding dong spy girl do it? Some thing would have to 'give'..or take, eventually.. maybe there just wasn't enough time..lol

(acutally I suspected her from the gitgo..but..that's another story..didn't really accept the idea(metagamed) of any clone tho..that irked me no end..so simple in such a complicated universe..etc..)

Do you just like seeing the words you type? Is it so difficult to form a coherent response?

[xBUMMx]

ofarrell wrote...

I felt bad for him even though he tried to kill me and my squad. It's kind of how I felt bad for Carver

i get the point. But Anders/Fenris never stole Carver away and fed him stories about how you were doing everything wrong and had to be replaced. Training him to be a new you, waiting for the right moment to strike and kill you while putting Carver in charge of the Mage/Templar ordeal to further Anders/Fenris 's own agendas.


No, Fenris just ****ed a lot and Anders blew up a Chantry.

[Wayning_Star]

o Ventus wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

if reapers couldn't manipulate shep, how could ding dong spy girl do it? Some thing would have to 'give'..or take, eventually.. maybe there just wasn't enough time..lol

(acutally I suspected her from the gitgo..but..that's another story..didn't really accept the idea(metagamed) of any clone tho..that irked me no end..so simple in such a complicated universe..etc..)

Do you just like seeing the words you type? Is it so difficult to form a coherent response?

ah point taken, sorry you didn't like it tho..(not really, I don't care...at all

[Punisher cork]

I felt bad for him. When he said, "what makes you so special" I answered in my head, "his friends" Shepard is great because he has an amazing crew and friends who reach out to him when he's dangling off a shuttle bay. I think it was sad that the clone figured out that he wasn't as good, not because of genes, but because he was alone. I extended my hand because after all he did, I still felt he deserved a bit of kindness.

[Titus Thongger]

When he said 'I should go' I thought 'oh man this cloneshep is really going to get it.'

but when I saw Brooks leave him, I felt really bad for the poor guy. He didnt ask to be made in such a way, he simply existed.

Brooks on the other hand, I shot that lying treacherous **** in the back and felt good about it

[ForThessia]

Nope. When he insulted my squaddies and stole the Normandy, he earned that boot to the face.

[Wayning_Star]

Punisher cork wrote...

I felt bad for him. When he said, "what makes you so special" I answered in my head, "his friends" Shepard is great because he has an amazing crew and friends who reach out to him when he's dangling off a shuttle bay. I think it was sad that the clone figured out that he wasn't as good, not because of genes, but because he was alone. I extended my hand because after all he did, I still felt he deserved a bit of kindness.

but the script assumes direct control and..boom.. no interactivity/immersion..again. Invent character, remove character..go get drunk'n disorderly and cry over spilt milk so's the Shepard can be Rested and ready for action..etc.

come on bioware where were you when Shep was saveing the MEU?

I've decided to delete the email from Anderson..sorry old pal..had to be done..

[Punisher cork]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Punisher cork wrote...

I felt bad for him. When he said, "what makes you so special" I answered in my head, "his friends" Shepard is great because he has an amazing crew and friends who reach out to him when he's dangling off a shuttle bay. I think it was sad that the clone figured out that he wasn't as good, not because of genes, but because he was alone. I extended my hand because after all he did, I still felt he deserved a bit of kindness.

but the script assumes direct control and..boom.. no interactivity/immersion..again. Invent character, remove character..go get drunk'n disorderly and cry over spilt milk so's the Shepard can be Rested and ready for action..etc.

come on bioware where were you when Shep was saveing the MEU?

I've decided to delete the email from Anderson..sorry old pal..had to be done..

What does anything you just said, have to do with my post you quoted? 

[AlexMBrennan]

if reapers couldn't manipulate shep, how could ding dong spy girl do it? Some thing would have to 'give'..or take, eventually.. maybe there just wasn't enough time..lol

When Shepard ran into the Reapers he was a fully mature adult; the clone, on the other hand, only got to see what Cerberus propaganda Brooks gave him.

[Aurora313]

The clone, while physically matured, ultimately had the mentality of a young children. He only saw and learned what Brooks wanted him to. Shepard - as AlexMBrennan points out - is already a fully matured adult (shoreleave not withstanding) when he encountered the choices and challenges in his military life. He's got emotional barriers and coping mechanisms for everything that happens and every setback, meeting it with dry humour and creative solutions to his problems or hurdles. And when Shepard doesn't have a solution, one of his teammates will.

Most seen in the final fight with the clone as he's slowly breaking down - and even before that when the real one breaks onboard the Normandy. The stoic fascade that he tried to copy from Shepard is breaking down and he snaps quite readily, insisting that he and no one else is Shepard, even though he only have a very superficial idea of who Shepard is. During the fight itself, the clone starts cussing more fiercely at Shepard when things go down hill, akin to a young child tossing a tantrum. While in contrast, Shepard's calm, collected and easily about to bounce the threats back or shake them off without a thought. Ultimately, the realisation that the reason Shepard why was 'Special' and how it went against his own core beliefs is what broke the clone's resolve and left him with no desire to live.

While it would have been nice to save him, I couldn't see him surviving the DLC. Maybe Brooks would shoot him herself before being captured. I don't know. But its still nice that we can get the choice.

Even though Shepard was unaware of the clone's existance, I can almost see the relationship as a successful older sibling and jealous younger sibling.

Yes - I felt sorry for the clone. For everything he's done, the clone was Really just another prop in Brooks performance. I opt to save him, and I really wish you could.

Modifié par Aurora313, 11 mars 2013 - 03:44 .

[cdzander]

I might have felt bad, but the clone was a colossal ******. He made that choice on his own. Could have decided to be useful to the galaxy. Chose to be a douche.