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[yesikareyes]

JustGiveItUp wrote...

lol, that scene was completely ripped from Toy Story 2. I love it.

Oh yeah, but when I saw it I completely remembered Mummy Returns though. Remember that scene where Brendan Fraser and the villain when they were hanging? Fraser's love interest helps him up and the mummy's LI just looks at him and runs away so he lets go 

I wish I could have saved my clone. I bet he just woke up a blank slate, and Brooks just manipulated the facts and make him feel unwanted... and no, I won't throw him into the synthesis beam, or let him destroy the Citadel so I live. That's exactly what the clone doesn't want... to feel like he's just a substitute for Shepard. 

Modifié par yesikareyes, 11 mars 2013 - 07:01 .

[Aurora313]

I think you're right. Yesikareyes. When you first greet him, the clone says he spent the last six months 'learning to be human'. So, he probably was a blank slate and Brooks programed him to be her own personal pet.

[yesikareyes]

Aurora313 wrote...

I think you're right. Yesikareyes. When you first greet him, the clone says he spent the last six months 'learning to be human'. So, he probably was a blank slate and Brooks programed him to be her own personal pet.

Excellent point and reference there! That's one reason why I elected to shoot Brooks by the end of the DLC. Even if the clone wasn't really Shepard in essence, that's still his DNA and it sort of feels like a sibling where they don't act like you but you share DNA. I felt hurt for my clone for all he's been through. Yeah, I insulted him a couple of times throughout the DLC but in the end I extended my hand.

I thought it would have been cool if he might have lived. Like you just let him go and you'll never see him again or he's just there in the Normandy and you can talk to him from time to time. 

[SilentK]

IsaacShep wrote...

At the end when Brooks abandons him and Shep (in Paragon option) extends his hand to pull him and he just looks this sad with those Clone-Shep eyes

I wanted to help her. She did not have to become my Shepard in order to have a place in the galaxy. So sad.

[Aurora313]

Everyone's probably already thought of this, but the clone doesn't want to be Shepard at all from what I see. And repetitively stated before, he's just a puppet. Hasn't been allowed to grow as an individual. So I figure if he did survive, Shepard and Liara set up a new ID for him and basically lets the clone develop its own personality without poisonous influences such as Brooks or Cerberus. And with a cut and paste crew like the Normandy's, where better? You've got everything from Human to Krogan to AIs and Turians. Its a massive - and probably least bias - pool of experience to draw from.

And yes, it'd be nice for Shepard to develop a kind of sibling dynamic with the clone - provided it could survive.

[Big88reD]

It's interesting, when Shepard offers the clone to live and Clone Shep. replies "For What?" Its actually pretty powerful. After those two words, I put myself in Clone Shep's shoes and realize that he has a point. He's a copy of not just the most famous human in history, but probably the most famous being in the entire galaxy (hell, even the Reapers know him). Therefore, any chance of a normal life for Clone Shep has been lost. Clone Shep was created to survive so that Shepard may live. The film Wall-e puts it best, "I dont want to survive. I want to live." You cant blame Clone Shep for wanting a life of his own.

But on the other hand, he was an absolute dick. Glad he's gone.

Or is he????

DOM DOM DOOOOM   

[Arisugawa]

Big88reD wrote...
You cant blame Clone Shep for wanting a life of his own.

Actually, I very much can.

Clone Shepard didn't want a life of his/her own. Clone Shepard wanted Shepard's life. If the Clone had left Shepard alone and lived for his/herself, everything would have been fine.

So yes, I can blame the Clone for the choices made in the DLC.

[nani7788]

Yestare7 wrote...

I felt bad. Then I killed her.




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[Sable Rhapsody]

Arisugawa wrote...
Clone Shepard didn't want a life of his/her own. Clone Shepard wanted Shepard's life. If the Clone had left Shepard alone and lived for his/herself, everything would have been fine.

So yes, I can blame the Clone for the choices made in the DLC.

IMO CloneShep wanted Shepard's life because that's what Brooks wanted.  When a child turns out bad, a lot of the blame falls on the parent.  It's analogous in the situation between Brooks and CloneShep.  She turned the Clone into a villain, and when Brooks abandoned him/her, that was that.

[knightnblu]

I tried the paragon option on my first play of the DLC, but I didn't like it. I liked it much better when I booted him off of my ship. The expression on his face as he hit vacuum was priceless.

[Big88reD]

Arisugawa wrote...

Big88reD wrote...
You cant blame Clone Shep for wanting a life of his own.

Actually, I very much can.

Clone Shepard didn't want a life of his/her own. Clone Shepard wanted Shepard's life. If the Clone had left Shepard alone and lived for his/herself, everything would have been fine.

So yes, I can blame the Clone for the choices made in the DLC.

(im going to refer to shepard as a male) Clone Shep did want a life of his own, however the only life he could have had was Shepard's. Everywhere he went, people would be mistaking him for the real Shepard. And being Shepard isnt all fun and games, people are constantly trying to kill you. He was too famous. The 'life of his own' could only be Shepard's life. Whats the point of his life otherwise?     

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

I feel more bad for the clone than Brooks, given he's been alive what...six months? And has basically being indoctrinated since birth with mad ideas from Brooks.

Deserves way more chance at forgiveness and rehabilitation than Brooks, who as an adult with several life experiences, has more culpability for her actions.

[JDee3]

I didn't see a reason to feel bad for Brooks and honestly would have killed her after my paragon interrupt when they show her backing down with whatever was in her hand but still trying to talk all tough in front of my Shep.. I would have shot her right there and then is it had given me the option.. or punched or something.. and then thrown her out the airlock

I felt bad for the clone though. It showed partially what Shep would be without his squad. He'd have no reason to live or fight for the lives of others. When the clone died, I saw a little bit of real Shep in it.. don't know what.. maybe Shep before he was a soldier or commander (mine was an orphan)? it was sad. Kinda wanted him to do Priority: Earth for me or maybe become just like the real Shep and take care of Liara after I chose control end :/ DW style

[Aurora313]

Brooks deserved Death. The clone deserved a second chance.

[Rhayak]

When she turned her back on him, i was like "No way! Mummy 2!"

Anyway yeah: my main Shep is a paragade, and there was a point where i kinda started feeling like sparing him. I felt for him, thinking about his original purpose as "spare parts". Who on earth wouldn't turn evil if they found out that was the whole reason for their existence?

But then i thought about the ENORMITY of what he and Brooks almost committed, and decided that he was too dangerous to live.

Brooks had to die as well for the same reasons.

There, all loose ends cut.

Modifié par Rhayak, 11 mars 2013 - 11:02 .

[Arisugawa]

Big88reD wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

Big88reD wrote...
You cant blame Clone Shep for wanting a life of his own.

Actually, I very much can.

Clone Shepard didn't want a life of his/her own. Clone Shepard wanted Shepard's life. If the Clone had left Shepard alone and lived for his/herself, everything would have been fine.

So yes, I can blame the Clone for the choices made in the DLC.

(im going to refer to shepard as a male) Clone Shep did want a life of his own, however the only life he could have had was Shepard's. Everywhere he went, people would be mistaking him for the real Shepard. And being Shepard isnt all fun and games, people are constantly trying to kill you. He was too famous. The 'life of his own' could only be Shepard's life. Whats the point of his life otherwise?     

Then that shows a rather marked lack of imagination and scope on the part of the Clone. I agree with everyone who says that Brooks pushed the Clone to this path - I'm 100% certain that it would not have taken this these actions without someone instigating it. It woke up without any of Shepard's memories, so the desire to have this life at all would not have been its first desire.

But saying this was the only option? In a world where people can be cloned or brought back to life, I refuse to think that the cosmetic surgery options available aren't fantastic. Even if they aren't, many people go through life looking eerily like a celebrity, and sometimes that's a burden, but that doesn't mean their own choice in life is to be celebrity impersonator.

[Everyone Is Someone]

Big88reD wrote...

Or is he????

DOM DOM DOOOOM   

Time for Project Lazarus-Clone!

[CronoDragoon]

To be more specific, I pitied him, which I think was the intent.

[N7-RedFox]

IsaacShep wrote...

At the end when Brooks abandons him and Shep (in Paragon option) extends his hand to pull him and he just looks this sad with those Clone-Shep eyes

this scene was stolen from The Mummy Returns where at the end Imhotep and O'Connel  are both dangling over the edge of the underworld about to fall in. Evey runs over and saves O'Connel while Imhotep (the Mummy in restored form) looks over at his partner (Anaksa Namun) Anaksa takes one look at Imhotep in need of help then turns and abandons him so Imhotep lets go of the ledge and let's himself die.

Modifié par N7-RedFox, 11 mars 2013 - 03:39 .

[nrobbiec]

Ashii6 wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

It was a very difficult decision, but even though he was Brooks' pawn "there can be only one" besides he said he'd have let Kaidan die on Virmire so...

I let Brooks live though, killing her would've been too merciful.

Sooo... You killed him just because he said he would've saved Ash on Vimire? I wonder what you would do to the person that actually saved her. Sorry, just kidding on this one. But your statement sounded little.. silly.

That was a joke. Though I don't think my Shepard would've let the clone live after saying he'd leave his LI to die.

[garrusfan1]

I think the clone could have gotten plastic surgery and would have had a normal life (considering the reapers invading) but apparently it was easier to kill shep

[TudorWolf]

I felt bad for the clone. Seemed like Brooks was just using him for whatever her masterplan was. The clone would've been a blank slate when he was woken up, then conditioned by a hardcore cerberus fanatic? Yeah, makes sense of the way it acts towards squadmates. Then she goes and abandons the poor guy. She has that shot in the back coming

[Cuttlebone]

Didn't the last scene with him remind anyone of The Mummy Returns? I swear, the part where Brooks looks sad and ashamed before turning her back to clone Shep and leaving him to die...

Anyway, I tried to save him, he declined obviously. Don't see how it would have worked otherwise, I mean, 2 Shepards? galaxy ain't big enough for that. Regardless, it was all Brooks' fault, hadn't she messed up with his head so much he might have been a good ally. **** got what was coming for her.

Modifié par Cuttlebone, 11 mars 2013 - 04:04 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Cuttlebone wrote...

Didn't the last scene with him remind anyone of The Mummy Returns? I swear, the part where Brooks looks sad and ashamed before turning her back to clone Shep and leaving him to die...

Anyway, I tried to save him, he declined obviously. Don't see how it would have worked otherwise, I mean, 2 Shepards? galaxy ain't big enough for that. Regardless, it was all Brooks' fault, hadn't she messed up with his head so much he might have been a good ally. **** got what was coming for her.

Hah, it reminded me of TMR too! Poor Shep Clone. His or her brain was messed up too much though, I think. If you tried to help them, they let go and I think that's proof enough. Not to say I didn't want to help them - the situation was really sad once I thought about it. 

Of course when the clone insulted my LI and wanted to send my hamster to be destroyed OH HO HOOOO THAT WAS SO NOT COOL. 

[draken-heart]

I felt bad for her a little bit, then I retconned the whole trilogy as a coma dream of a Merc boss Shepard and things went back to normal.

in fact, I am writing the fanfic right now.

Modifié par draken-heart, 11 mars 2013 - 07:25 .