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Bleachrude wrote...

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I always liked him. He's young, he's much less serious than some of the others, and he's actually pretty useful in the squad if your Shep is a squishier class (adept for example).
Never saw him as an empty headed military musclebound roid muncher... but maybe that was the voice... FPjs voice over was brilliant. With another voice actor he could very easily have come across as all the negative stereotypes, but there's a depth to his vocal performance that always made me want to listen to him more... to learn about the character.


Hell, one of the stereotypes of the roid soldier is that they are very macho and HATE homosexuals....His best friend on the Normandy is gay and that should've tipped more people off that he was more than just muscles...

He no hAtE gAY MEN???

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Random Jerkface wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

devilsgrin wrote...

I always liked him. He's young, he's much less serious than some of the others, and he's actually pretty useful in the squad if your Shep is a squishier class (adept for example).
Never saw him as an empty headed military musclebound roid muncher... but maybe that was the voice... FPjs voice over was brilliant. With another voice actor he could very easily have come across as all the negative stereotypes, but there's a depth to his vocal performance that always made me want to listen to him more... to learn about the character.


Hell, one of the stereotypes of the roid soldier is that they are very macho and HATE homosexuals....His best friend on the Normandy is gay and that should've tipped more people off that he was more than just muscles...

He no hAtE gAY MEN???

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OMG HE MUST HAVE BEEN GAY TOO

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I have never brought him to any of the mission, unless it is absolutely necessary.



Not even this one?

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That was pretty funny. If he were there at Virmire, he could probably single-handed defuse the bomb. :P

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I like him well enough, but he should really stop peppering his lines with that horrible Spanish of his


Funny you say that since Vega's VA is fluent in Spanish.

A case of "realism is unrealistic" then. At least, if being fluent in a language automatically means everything you say in that language sounds good. I don't think that is the case. I'm Dutch myself and relatively fluent in English, but you really don't want to hear me speak it because my accent sounds horrible.

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Rikketik wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Rikketik wrote...

I like him well enough, but he should really stop peppering his lines with that horrible Spanish of his


Funny you say that since Vega's VA is fluent in Spanish.

A case of "realism is unrealistic" then. At least, if being fluent in a language automatically means everything you say in that language sounds good. I don't think that is the case. I'm Dutch myself and relatively fluent in English, but you really don't want to hear me speak it because my accent sounds horrible.


But Vega's english is good. It would be like saying your first language, Dutch, is horrible and people wouldnt want to listen to it.

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No.

F*ck Vega.

And Joker.

And Garrus.


Would if I could

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I always thought he was a decent character, better than ME1 Kaidan (though he got better in ME3) or Jacob.

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Random Jerkface wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

devilsgrin wrote...

Never saw him as an empty headed military musclebound roid muncher... but maybe that was the voice... FPjs voice over was brilliant. 


Hell, one of the stereotypes of the roid soldier is that they are very macho and HATE homosexuals....His best friend on the Normandy is gay and that should've tipped more people off that he was more than just muscles...

He no hAtE gAY MEN???

WOW

sO dEEP

V ComPlEX

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Don't follow....

one of the main reasons people seem to hate Vega is that he LOOKS like a musclebound soldier and that he probably chews roids for breakfast...

One of the stereotypes of said character is that they are very prejudiced against homosexuals and will go out of their way to bully (either verbally or physically) gay men.

The fact that his best friend was homosexual I thought was a hint to the players that "hey Vega might not be your stereotypical roid using soldier"

If you talk to him, you see he does have more to him than just muscle (and throw in Paragon Lost) , he's a very fleshed out character....
Am I missing something here?

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But Vega's english is good. It would be like saying your first language, Dutch, is horrible and people wouldnt want to listen to it.

Not really. You can grow up and be fluent in a language but still not have a particularly good accent. I grew up with Hausa and Yoruba (in addition to English, a couple of Romance languages, and my native language), but I do permanent damage to both every time I open my mouth to speak them.

In FPJ's case, he has a very strong American accent when speaking Spanish. It's not indecipherable by any means, but it's exacerbated by the fact that Vega's writer kind of dashed in Spanish words all over the place and just any how (never mind translators).

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Bleachrude wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

devilsgrin wrote...

Never saw him as an empty headed military musclebound roid muncher... but maybe that was the voice... FPjs voice over was brilliant. 


Hell, one of the stereotypes of the roid soldier is that they are very macho and HATE homosexuals....His best friend on the Normandy is gay and that should've tipped more people off that he was more than just muscles...

He no hAtE gAY MEN???

WOW

sO dEEP

V ComPlEX




????

Don't follow....

one of the main reasons people seem to hate Vega is that he LOOKS like a musclebound soldier and that he probably chews roids for breakfast...

One of the stereotypes of said character is that they are very prejudiced against homosexuals and will go out of their way to bully (either verbally or physically) gay men.

The fact that his best friend was homosexual I thought was a hint to the players that "hey Vega might not be your stereotypical roid using soldier"

If you talk to him, you see he does have more to him than just muscle (and throw in Paragon Lost) , he's a very fleshed out character....
Am I missing something here?

I'm curious to know if the reason you bring homosexuals into the converstation is because of the signature from devilsgrin? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it or any bad implication, it just seems like a coincidence. :P

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Bleachrude wrote...

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Don't follow....

one of the main reasons people seem to hate Vega is that he LOOKS like a musclebound soldier and that he probably chews roids for breakfast...

One of the stereotypes of said character is that they are very prejudiced against homosexuals and will go out of their way to bully (either verbally or physically) gay men.

The fact that his best friend was homosexual I thought was a hint to the players that "hey Vega might not be your stereotypical roid using soldier"

If you talk to him, you see he does have more to him than just muscle (and throw in Paragon Lost) , he's a very fleshed out character....
Am I missing something here?


Not really. The writers said there is basically no homophobia in the year 2186. Vega is a bit of a meathead. It doesn't make him a bad character, and it doesn't mean he has to be a jerk, but it is part of his character.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...



????

Don't follow....

one of the main reasons people seem to hate Vega is that he LOOKS like a musclebound soldier and that he probably chews roids for breakfast...

One of the stereotypes of said character is that they are very prejudiced against homosexuals and will go out of their way to bully (either verbally or physically) gay men.

The fact that his best friend was homosexual I thought was a hint to the players that "hey Vega might not be your stereotypical roid using soldier"

If you talk to him, you see he does have more to him than just muscle (and throw in Paragon Lost) , he's a very fleshed out character....
Am I missing something here?

I'm curious to know if the reason you bring homosexuals into the converstation is because of the signature from devilsgrin? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it or any bad implication, it just seems like a coincidence. :P


Didn't even notice his signature.....

Seriously, am I the ONLY one that thought his friendship with Cortez was supposed to be a hint that Vega wasn't just the stereotypical muscle freak soldier?

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Rikketik wrote...

I like him well enough, but he should really stop peppering his lines with that horrible Spanish of his. And perhaps he flirts with FemShep a bit too much, although that could be a defense mechanism of some sort. "I'll just pretend to be a flirt so I don't have to talk about what's really bothering me," or something like that.


I've always liked him since my first playthrough.

I actually loved the flirting with FemShep especially when she called him on it. That made me lol

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Vega's a pretty cool guy.
Don't really understand the hate for him.

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Adugan wrote...

Rikketik wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Rikketik wrote...

I like him well enough, but he should really stop peppering his lines with that horrible Spanish of his


Funny you say that since Vega's VA is fluent in Spanish.

A case of "realism is unrealistic" then. At least, if being fluent in a language automatically means everything you say in that language sounds good. I don't think that is the case. I'm Dutch myself and relatively fluent in English, but you really don't want to hear me speak it because my accent sounds horrible.


But Vega's english is good. It would be like saying your first language, Dutch, is horrible and people wouldnt want to listen to it.

I actually think that's the case. My Dutch is fine, better than most people my age I think, but I have a pretty heavy accent that isn't always pleasant for the ears, especially if you're not from around here. Just like I don't really like listening to people from Amsterdam or The Hague (the capital and the political capital, respectively, for those who didn't know) because of their distinct and often heavy accents, no matter how well they speak Dutch.

Does Spanish atctually have a variant that's enjoyable and understandable for everyone? Because Dutch has. You're basically forced to learn to speak it if you have a highly public job because otherwise at least half the country wouldn't like or find it difficult to listen to you.

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I never hated Vega. I hated his haircut. Still do.

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Bleachrude wrote...


Didn't even notice his signature.....

Seriously, am I the ONLY one that thought his friendship with Cortez was supposed to be a hint that Vega wasn't just the stereotypical muscle freak soldier?

I find it refreshing that a straight guy and a gay guy can be best friends. It added a lot to his character. His character is meant to be a musclebound. There were many instances like flexing his muscles, doing pull-ups everytime you see him, don't know a lick about high mechanic stuffs. It's not that his character is bad per-se, but our limited interactions with him don't really show us any other aspects. I suppose if he had been available to Femshep as a LI, his character could have been expanded more, but as it stands, he doesn't have many moments that show him in a different light.

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I liked him a year ago and I still do. He was a normal guy who wasn't boring.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

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I have never brought him to any of the mission, unless it is absolutely necessary.



Not even this one?

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That was pretty funny. If he were there at Virmire, he could probably single-handed defuse the bomb. :P


Also, if you bring him on Noveria Fighter Base, he blurts out "Holly balls, it's freezing out here!"

During the Citadel Coup, he says a much needed "Swords? Seriously?"

And then there's this...

Vega and Tali (although I prefer Javik for that mission)...

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One of the stereotypes of said character is that they are very prejudiced against homosexuals and will go out of their way to bully (either verbally or physically) gay men.

Not all stereotypical characters fulfil every stereotype; it isn't necessary. And I award no writing points to a game developer who boasts of "inclusiveness" for not making one of their characters a raging homophobe. Being a Not-Homophobe isn't something praiseworthy or indicative of "complexity." It's a tenant of basic decency and only means you're likely less of a stupid f*ckknuckle.

If you talk to him, you see he does have more to him than just muscle (and throw in Paragon Lost)

Not really. And like all of most of the characters, what little that exists of his arc is stunted and irrelevant. He's also a redundant archetype, given that we'd already experienced the self-doubting, rough-and-tumble meathead in the form of Ashley Williams. Even if she's dead, the mould is startlingly familiar, and "excuse for exposition" doesn't really justify his character given that it could have been something entirely fresh and different. "Tough guy with ~hidden depths~" is a trope unto itself.

Paragon Lost doesn't do anything for him, either. It's the kind of classic half-bildungsroman military story about a boisterous but fiercely loyal "maverick" whose brashness and "ingenuity" (because apparently the Alliance doesn't teach basic flanking manoeuvres) consistently surprises his superiors. Suddenly, when caught between forces of love, fraternity, and duty, he is forced to make a painful decision and is indelibly changed and hardened forever. You could literally chart his character on a bingo sheet.

he's a very fleshed out character....

He's really not, though. There's actually not one Mass Effect character I'd call "very fleshed out." They're enjoyable, sure, but they are by and large one or two notes.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I have never brought him to any of the mission, unless it is absolutely necessary.



Not even this one?

James Vega - Tech Expert

That was pretty funny. If he were there at Virmire, he could probably single-handed defuse the bomb. :P


Also, if you bring him on Noveria Fighter Base, he blurts out "Holly balls, it's freezing out here!"

During the Citadel Coup, he says a much needed "Swords? Seriously?"

And then there's this...

Vega and Tali (although I prefer Javik for that mission)...

That's nice. I probably should bring him more for variety. I usually avoided him since EDI and Javil's one-liners are just too brilliant to pass up. I probably try to bring up with my Vanguard file to see if I would like him more if I also play as a human meatshield.

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He grew on me after a while. Not my favorite all-time character, but I still enjoyed taking him out on missions and listening to his banter on the Normandy.

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Vega to me is what you would find in most of the units under SOCOM in the US military. They're soldiers and although the are not " politicians" or diplomats in the traditional sense they do bring diplomacy and democracy to conflict but, more on a smaller level. Shooting is NOT the primary responsibility of all Spec Op units like the ODA teams of the Army. So the comment about him being all muscle and no brains is the same misconceptions people have about Special Operations soldiers. The truth of the matter is most Spec Ops operators would fit quite nicely on a Board of Directors of a major corporation or in Congress. Matter of fact a former SEAL Team Six team leader is in second term in the House of Representatives.

So, some might see Vega as one dimensional however, if you ever been in war you know when it is time to talk and when it is time to shut up and fight. Politicians seem to not know how to do either but, seem to always take the credit for the result on the battlefield in one way or another. Vega is straight forward in his approach to life and take responsibility for his actions and decisions on and off the battlefield. There is no father to blame ( Jacob, Miranda, and Tali all suffer from this character flaw) no lost of self identity (Grunt), mother and daughter dysfunctional relationship ( Liara and Sumra) even Garrus had issues with his father as well. I could go down the line however, it is not the point I am trying to make here.

Vega, is what I call a soldier's soldier and I have had the pleasure and honor to serve with men and women that display some of the same characteristics

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He's boring, never really disliked him....just "meh".

Why he was one of the very limited set of squadmates in ME3 i'll never know, they should have bought back Grunt as a squad member or something instead.

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Hexley UK wrote...

He's boring, never really disliked him....just "meh".

Why he was one of the very limited set of squadmates in ME3 i'll never know, they should have bought back Grunt as a squad member or something instead.


IA that they should have brought back Grunt. Really missed having some of the krogran charm on my squad in me3. 

Anyone from the ME2 would have been preferrable to James. I don't hate James, but he's nothing original and I feel like he was just wasted potential for a new squad member. Why they decided to go with the most generic character personality ever is beyond me.