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[peddroelm]

Air Quotes wrote...

   Melee. 

  It's fun to play and go Wolverine of everything, and it's good for the most part. 

  But here's what sucks hard about it. ONLY HEAVY MELEE kills give you bonuses to Martial Artist and weapons damage. But you will be using heavy melee as a gap closer and as an initial attack and you will finish the enemy with fast light melee strikes. Which means you will rarely gain 75% melee + weapons damage bonuses from melee tree. And you forgo lots of shields for it. (and you need those shields in CQC, trust me) 

With MA there are plenty of mooks her heavy melee will 1 shot ... (nemesis, cerb assault trooper, geth trooper/rocket trooper, cannibal, husk , unpossessed abominations ...) ..

Still if none of the easy matial artist targets are around - heavy melee stronger target - hit back 2 times (teleport back - usually safely behind a wall) .. It will leave you in heavy melee range with a weakened target in the cross-hairs .. Martial Artist bonus not a problem ... 

other option that works for decapitating possessed abominations too is to shoot the target once to weaken it and then finish up with 1 heavy melee attack for the martial artist bonus ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 11 mars 2013 - 07:19 .

[peddroelm]

Air Quotes wrote...


Too slow. And not Platinum worthy at all. 

use 1 shot from your weapon to weaken before heavy melee kill then ...

[BlackDahlia424]

Don't feel like reading through 5 pages, but I read the OP. I agree 100% - PS sucks. And it's even worse that it's bugged to hell (damage range vs. animation range).

Obviously, they can't' fix the biggest issue plaguing the Cabal, so they need to buff the HELL out of PS to make it worth putting yourself in dangerous situations just to hit things with it.

[UEG Donkey]

I like the fact that you can in fact run the kit many different ways(1) CQC Weapons Specialist, (2) Assault Rifle Tank, (3) Melee all the things build, frankly it sounds like BioWare did a great job creating the kit although I gotta agree the implementation of the kit especially the DOT needs a 300% buff.

[BlackDahlia424]

Air Quotes wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Don't feel like reading through 5 pages, but I read the OP. I agree 100% - PS sucks. And it's even worse that it's bugged to hell (damage range vs. animation range).

Obviously, they can't' fix the biggest issue plaguing the Cabal, so they need to buff the HELL out of PS to make it worth putting yourself in dangerous situations just to hit things with it.

 

PS is like Havoc Strike.  Except it can't stagger and has limited range and no extra weapon damage. So it needs to be even more powerful. 

But Havoc Strike doesn't have hit regestry issues. You know what I mean - when you PS right through an enemy and it does no damage whatsoever. That to me, is borderline class killing.

[redBadger14]

I agree on everything about Posion Strike. Just specced out of it and I have been running a melee build and it works great. Would love for Poison Strike to be buffed though so I can use it again, the power has massive potential.

On the flip-side I disagree entirely with "The Cabal is not a Vanguard." She is. Vanguards are soldiers that take the fight in close; they are the frontline soldiers. Everything about the Cabal is close-quarters oriented, just like all the other Vanguards. Just because she can't Charge doesn't make her any less so. There's no definition that requires Vanguards to always having Biotic Charge, that's just a pre-conceived notion that was drawn up since the ME2 Vanguard.

But anyway, yeah, Poison Strike is a huge throwaway power that has so much potential. Up the DPS massively on that and # of enemies affected and it should be great.

[BlackDahlia424]

Air Quotes wrote...

True. Poison Strike radius and "dealing damage" range need to be expnaded.

Unfortunately, I believe that would require a patch - one we'll never get.

[redBadger14]

Air Quotes wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

I agree on everything about Posion Strike. Just specced out of it and I have been running a melee build and it works great. Would love for Poison Strike to be buffed though so I can use it again, the power has massive potential.

On the flip-side I disagree entirely with "The Cabal is not a Vanguard." She is. Vanguards are soldiers that take the fight in close; they are the frontline soldiers. Everything about the Cabal is close-quarters oriented, just like all the other Vanguards. Just because she can't Charge doesn't make her any less so. There's no definition that requires Vanguards to always having Biotic Charge, that's just a pre-conceived notion that was drawn up since the ME2 Vanguard.

But anyway, yeah, Poison Strike is a huge throwaway power that has so much potential. Up the DPS massively on that and # of enemies affected and it should be great.

 

I didn't say that Biotic Charge is required for a Vanguard. But her's the thing. Cabal is slow in CQC. NB's are slow, Poison Strike "get ready" animation is slow and you can't chain Double Dash without a gap were you have no control over your character and lose momentum. Now Slayer will zoom in and immediately blast face with his PD with no delay. (i'm not talking off-host here, off host everything sucks) 

I mean her dodge is so smooth and fast, while PS and NB's are slow and clunky. You can't dance with those delays. It's annoying. 

Ah, sorry about Biotic Charge, must have misread something in your post. 

Anywho yeah I see where you're coming from with that. NB's I don't think is that big an issue to begin with because it casts a lot faster than Ballistic Blades and the range is generous enough that you can keep a good distance from enemies. 

I also think Biotic Focus could use a movement speed and damage reduction buff. I know it might sound silly, but bumping up movement speed just a bit (20% total if you only take the last evo) and damage reduction to about 50% (if you took both evos for additonal damage reduction), it could make that last evo less of a gamble to choose over the 40% Barrier regen. Plus, the damage reduction fully specced in Biotic Focus doesn't seem to ward off damage effectively, at least in my experience.

[UEG Donkey]

Air Quotes wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

I like the fact that you can in fact run the kit many different ways(1) CQC Weapons Specialist, (2) Assault Rifle Tank, (3) Melee all the things build, frankly it sounds like BioWare did a great job creating the kit although I gotta agree the implementation of the kit especially the DOT needs a 300% buff.

 

As I said. I like the Cabal and I like the possible variations. But it's finicky, buggy and doesn't really feel like a Vanguard, because there's lots of pauses between PS and NB's. You can't chain things and be fluid with it like you can with Fury/Slayer/NovaGuard/AssGuard/DrellGuard 

Yeah I'd agree casting time for NB is a pain although I'm usually casting PS from soft cover so its not an issue

[Wolf610]

Wow, there are a lot of paragraphs in that first post to what basically amounts to another Air Quotes "Wahhhhh" thread.

peddroelmz wrote...

best melee char in the game /thread

build

[Lukeman1884]

Just a public service announcement: Cabal off-host is NOT a good idea. Her dodges, melee, and PS all have delay, meaning trying to go CQC against anything more than a single mook is pretty much suicide.

[UEG Donkey]

Air Quotes wrote...


And I guarantee you - biotic Shield will come in handy MUCH MUCH more often then a bit of speed and DR.

Using BF primarily as a shield boost will tie up your cooldown and that's fine if that's the way you want to play.  DR on your build is probably not as good as it doesn't take 4 or 6 points in fitness and to get the most from DR you need more sheilds. Shield Boost doesn't retore shield gate and at least to me, gave me a false sense of security.  I understand your point about BF negating DOT attacks like warp and Atlas rockets but should you really be getting hit by those attacks anyway?  When I get downed its usually a Geth Turret or something across the map that I didn't notice. 

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 11 mars 2013 - 08:31 .