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Return To Ostagar Impressions and Discussion. (spoilers.....Duh!)


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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

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Cailan screwing the Orlesian empress? Oooohhhh....now THAT I can see pushing Loghain over the edge and making him decide to walk out on Cailan, or, if he wasn't planning too, all the pre-Ostagar plotting Loghain was involved in. ESPECIALLY Arl Eamon, who is encouraging Cailan to do a double whammy of no-nos:



1. Dumping, and thus, humiliating, Loghain's only child.

2. Dumping said daughter for the empress of a country who occupied his home, an enemy he still hates with a passion.



If that's the case, it puts Loghain's motivations and actions, especially concerning Eamon, into a whole new perspective, and makes it REALLY personal.

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does anyone know how to find the Duncan sidequest, if there is one?

i saw that there was one, but i can't find it

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I am wondering where one get's this add-on. it is not in the available content, only wardens keep was. So i have no comment on completing it since i can't get it :o

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Nymphadora1 wrote...

I am wondering where one get's this add-on. it is not in the available content, only wardens keep was. So i have no comment on completing it since i can't get it :o


It's only available through Xbox Live right now.

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how long does the DLC take to finish?

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Raoune wrote...
The one thing I didn't like was Wynne and Alistair flirting at the end. It just seemed very out of character for the two of them to flirt that way.


Warrning---->spoilers

Oh damn that was odd :s and I got some feeling that they talked all the time like that and that Wynne was jumping on him and stuff.. oh jeez how she can be so horny and dirty in place where so many people lost their lifes. I was expecting more emotions and some seriousness from Alistair and Wynne but  o.O...
I was dissapointed when I gave to Alistair this ritual chalice (as I remember) expected that he ll start some conversation about my first ritual or atleast some comment and that he ll mention maybe Jory and Daveth whateve and he was just like +5 "Oh is that for meee?!" bla bla...
He even didn't say anything for Duncan and about his swords when we killed that ogre :s Uhm... And funny thing when I entered in Tower of Ishal I thought; Oh no not again to light that damn beacon. Do I ll need to climb up again? :pinched: haha...
Only thing which I liked was when we honored King Cailan... seemed like my char suffered... just see that look of your char in that cut scene o.O like it is going to cry somehwhere behind the tree :pinched: lol... oh damn... I wasn't in love with him :s... and rest of these were just standing emotionless.
I was hoping tho that those who were in party with me ll talk or discuss maybe about that at camp later but noothiinggg :(... Hills were shattering and mouse was born... for me this dlc was no special tbh... sorry
edit: actaully whole this dlc was soo weeiiird to me >.<
I am sorry tho if I Spoiled too much :P

Modifié par Xalena, 13 janvier 2010 - 11:27 .


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How long does the DLC take to finish?

It took me less than an hour on Nightmare BUT I was using my epilogue AW/BM alongside a very strong party.

Thankfully, I've just checked via the party chest and Cailan's items, and Maric's blade, all scale up to dragonbone! :D

Still, I'm sad to see the item description for Maric's blade has changed because the reference to Katriel was a lovely touch.

Modifié par Ulicus, 13 janvier 2010 - 11:05 .


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ok uhm anyone else feel like it was sad Duncans body was nowhere to be found? His blades where still stuck on that blasted ogre but nothing else(god Iwas hopin for his armor)

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So no PC version yet? :'(

Oh and whats it like in general fun? (not amount of time it took, but how epic it was)

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Killing horde of dark spawn was great wish I would have taught my mages some aoe spells would have been a cake walk going though

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My theory is that Duncan is who the Archetect is talking to in the Awakenings trailer when he says "so you are the commander of the grey wardens..."



Wrong. He's talking to the PC, as the PC is the new 'Grey Warden Commander' of Ferelden, Though expect to see Duncan again, alive, and with his taint heavily accelerated, as the Architect can use magic to do that to Grey Wardens, involuntarily.

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Loghain's hatred for Cailan and despising him made perfect sense to me. The guy cheated on his daughter after being raised with her and betrothed at an early age - with Loghain's most hated enemies who took damn near everything Loghain ever cared about in his life, his wife, his family, even his dog's for god's sake.



The guy spit on the face of his own honor and his only daughter. King or no, I'd want to kill him. BADLY.

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Wait, so it's out on the 360?



I'm in PC land and still nothing. Bah, spoiled myself already. Lame. I'll still play it.

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Oh and duncan is a darkspawn by now, I'm sure the Architect had enough brains to use such a powerful enemy.

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So I downloaded "Return to Ostagar" and as I was playing I noticed all my specializations were locked again after I had unlocked each one of them for all my characters. Has this happened to anyone else?

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I think Duncan may be alive. If Elric was able to flee from Ostagar when he was at Cailan's side then i'm pretty sure a Grey Warden Commander can. Though that begs the question why Duncan would desert and not reappear.

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Hmm. If Wynne's there with Loghain, Loghain makes it plain that he thinks Cailan was going to marry Celene I. I forgot that the loading screens place Celene's ascension to the throne at 9:20, which means - though it clashes with The Calling - it's not *impossible* she could be younger than Anora, I guess, if she came to power as a child or in her mid teens (which is more than possible in a traditional monarchy, like that of Orlais).

I'm getting the increasing impression that the setting's timeline is still in flux, somewhat....

Vicious: Loghain's hatred of Cailan makes sense in the context of the DLC and the Cailan-Celene affair/marriage thing, sure. I'm just not convinced that it meshes perfectly with what I saw as his more complex feelings towards Cailan in the main game. *Shrug*

Still, it's certainly an interesting plot development and one - on the whole - I think I like. Just, I don't know, I never really got the feeling Loghain *wanted* to leave Cailan to die before. Maybe I was just deluding myself.

Modifié par Ulicus, 14 janvier 2010 - 12:23 .


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I thought Wardens Keep was short, guess I was wrong, and there wasnt much of a story to it at all, I understand we experience the majority of Ostagar during the beginning of the game, but all it explained was how the hole was made in the towers lower levels. lol I actually think the last ME1 DLC was better than this.



Not being harsh, I just think RtO for everyone was kind of really anticipated as a kick ass element to add prior to it's missed release dates, then with the hiccups it almost seemed as though(especially with the quality and superior content, and retain customer loyalty posts from Bioware) that this DLC was going to get us in the mood for paying 40 bucks for Awakening, meaning it'd be awesome and thus any hesitation towards purchasing the expansion in March would wither away. So I think the "bar" was inadvertently set high on RtO.

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MonkeyChief117 wrote...

No Duncan's armour or body - seriously wtf!?


wtf?! Isn't that obvious if there's no body then he's not dead? WTF?!

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Sarai Noelle wrote...

So I downloaded "Return to Ostagar" and as I was playing I noticed all my specializations were locked again after I had unlocked each one of them for all my characters. Has this happened to anyone else?


Yea, that happened to me too.  I assumed it was because they wanted to stop having one character unlock a specialization and all your other characters automatically being able to use it, but it sucks cause I went through the conversations and training on all my characters even though I already had the specials unlocked.  Now everything's locked again and I can't redo the conversations, so I'm running around trying to find the books and getting the specials late.  Not fun :pinched:

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Elanareon wrote...

MonkeyChief117 wrote...

No Duncan's armour or body - seriously wtf!?


wtf?! Isn't that obvious if there's no body then he's not dead? WTF?!


lol afterall it's duncan narrating the whole story even at it's end, hmmmm. Got a feeling it has something to do with the Architect and what not, they'll probably have some answers in Awakening. But after this DLC, and to be honest I'm not planning on getting the expansion unless a heavy duty patch is released for the 360 "prior" to Awakening. I'll be playing ME2 anyways.

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Ulicus wrote...

How long does the DLC take to finish?

It took me less than an hour on Nightmare BUT I was using my epilogue AW/BM alongside a very strong party.

Thankfully, I've just checked via the party chest and Cailan's items, and Maric's blade, all scale up to dragonbone! :D

Still, I'm sad to see the item description for Maric's blade has changed because the reference to Katriel was a lovely touch.

How did all the cailin's items and the blade go scale up to dragon bone, I beat it with my character that beaten the game, and its just red steel?

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Apparently the DLC showed Cailan as even more of an idiot than before. Good.

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Apparently the DLC showed Cailan as even more of an idiot than before. Good.

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Blee4389 wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

How long does the DLC take to finish?

It took me less than an hour on Nightmare BUT I was using my epilogue AW/BM alongside a very strong party.

Thankfully, I've just checked via the party chest and Cailan's items, and Maric's blade, all scale up to dragonbone! :D

Still, I'm sad to see the item description for Maric's blade has changed because the reference to Katriel was a lovely touch.

How did all the cailin's items and the blade go scale up to dragon bone, I beat it with my character that beaten the game, and its just red steel?


Yeah the red steel is just sad, also didnt understand where his big ass 2H sword went?