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[KnightofPhoenix]

I think we should all make "Loghain was right" posters now.

[Scotsman284]

Far too short cosnidering all the missed release dates. It also felt like there really wasn't a story behind it. And I didn't get the impression that Cailan was romantically involved with Celene. I felt more like he was just strengthening Ferelden's foreign ties by forming an alliance with Orlais. But maybe he was. Who knows. That guy was a horny little ****.



And I am really peeved about the missing Duncan side quest. That was the whole reson I bought this waste of 5$ >

[RPGlover732]

Why does every one love the loot so much? calins armor was good, but my warden commanders armor was better, otehr then the helm and gloves, which were better. and duncans stuff? well his sword is really good but i dont have enough STR (im a rouge) i have 25 and i need 31. and the dagger is very good but i have roses thorn which is the best dagger in the game id bet

[Vicious]

Ya seriously if this release was delayed as much as it was, and is as short as it was... geez. Wow. Not even bug free, either.



Well its probably all we'll see till Awakenings at this rate.

[Caponicus]

Ok, why cant I download this? I have 400 bioware points but it isnt showing up for me. Any input?

[xMUSICxMANx]

I'm having the same problem

[Vicious]

360 only so far.

[leeboi2]

Raoune wrote...

Sorry to post about it again, but I seriously can't get over what a difference there was between my two playthroughs. It's really great writing/editing to make the story work on lots of levels.

With my first, the "good" playthrough, it was just so emotional. Going back with Alistair and Wynne, seeing all the places we had fought and fallen, sharing memories of the people, noticing how long ago it felt... I was almost in tears at the sight of Cailan. When we found that Orlais would have come to help us, it seemed so bittersweet. It could have all been so different.

However, the "Bad" playthrough, it was Cousland and his future father in law Loghain, looking to understand each others motives better. And for Cousland, a chance to finally size up Cailan. Finding those documents was the moment Cousland gained the upper hand against the former king, and looking up at his corpse... was a moment of power, not of sadness.I was disgusted, alongside Loghain, that he could treat Ferelden and my characters fiancee with such distain.

...well done, Bioware!

Well done on your quadruple post

[strundler]

Alright, just went back and finished it on another char. Couple of additional notes -- first, I found it more interesting with Loghain than Alistair. Not that either was terribly compelling, but there was a bit more meat to Loghain's commentary. Second, Cailan's stuff still drops as Red Steel (T5), but you can upgrade it to Dragonbone (T7) in the Party Chest (and, one can assume, at a vendor). Duncan's weapons, the Nug Crusher, and the Repeater Gloves all appear to drop at a level-appropriate Tier.

[Selej]

It actually makes me side with Loghain a lot more after playing RtO.

[Ariella]

I find it funny how many people jump on Cailan. In my opinion, if he did have an affair, he's trading up. Thing is, if he WAS having an affair and was going to marry Celene, why didn't he put Anora aside long ago? From what the second letter said, it sounds like Cailan was resisting the idea of divorcing Anora.



The letter from Celene sounds like a ruler who had come to trust Cailan, and considered him a friend.

[Selej]

Cailan didn't get rid of Anora before it was set in stone because Anora is beloved by the people. He seemed as though he was finalizing his affair/marriage with Celene before kicking Anora to the curb. Bring Loghain with you next time and it's shines a whole new light on it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ariella wrote...

I find it funny how many people jump on Cailan. In my opinion, if he did have an affair, he's trading up. Thing is, if he WAS having an affair and was going to marry Celene, why didn't he put Anora aside long ago? From what the second letter said, it sounds like Cailan was resisting the idea of divorcing Anora.

The letter from Celene sounds like a ruler who had come to trust Cailan, and considered him a friend.

Rulers never talk to each other that way. Not even as "friends".
It's clear the imbecile was manipulated into marrying her. To someone who surpasses Anora in decietfulness and political genius. Thank the Make that the blight came and killed Cailan when it did.

[Ulicus]

Someone's already said it and I've mentioned it already, but to get the Red Steel equipment to scale up, you have to take it to the Warden's Keep chest, stick it in, leave and come back to it. Then, if you're high enough level, it'll all be nice and dragonbone. (Or just keep trying until it is) That's what I meant by using the "party chest".

Raoune wrote...
With my first, the "good" playthrough, it was just so
emotional. Going back with Alistair and Wynne, seeing all the places we
had fought and fallen, sharing memories of the people, noticing how
long ago it felt... I was almost in tears at the sight of Cailan. When
we found that Orlais would have come to help us, it seemed so
bittersweet. It could have all been so different.

Man, my Alistair+Wynne playthrough was EPIC. Just did it.

In what could have been a scripted moment, the Risen Ogre, near death, grabbed Alistair - brother of the King it had slain and last of the Theirin line- and looked ready to break him in half... and then BOOM his heterosexual life-partner Cousland did one better than Duncan and came to his rescue, dealing the deathblow.

Seriously, that was worth the price of the DLC alone.

****ing Epic.

And, as I wasn't playing a female character romancing Alistair, I found his and Wynne's little flirt at the end to be freakin' hilarious. And perfectly in character. Zevran would be so jealous.

Raoune wrote..

However,
the "Bad" playthrough, it was Cousland and his future father in law
Loghain, looking to understand each others motives better. And for
Cousland, a chance to finally size up Cailan. Finding those documents
was the moment Cousland gained the upper hand against the former king,
and looking up at his corpse... was a moment of power, not of sadness.I
was disgusted, alongside Loghain, that he could treat Ferelden and my
characters fiancee with such distain.

I liked that aspect to Cosort-Cousland and Loghain going back. We threw Cailan to the wolves to let the country he would have abandoned reclaim him.

Then Consort-Cousland donned the armour.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think we should all make "Loghain was right" posters now.

To walk away? Yeah, absolutely. Even if he plotted to kill Cailan, you could argue he was right to do so given the discovery that Cailan and Celene were perhaps planning to wed. 

Though Celene's age, if she's supposed to be younger than Anora yet was at least 17 when she took power, is a little over the place now. Meh. Whatever. Thedas still has a flexible timeline at the minute I guess. The more I think about this plot development, however, the more I like it. I'll just pretend the Empress referred to in The Calling was the latest Empress-Consort, or something.

I can ascribe Loghain's more "conflicted" feelings towards Cailan in the main game being down to loving the boy he was and the man he could have been, whilst hating the man he became.

RPGlover732 wrote...

Why does every one love the loot so
much? calins armor was good, but my warden commanders armor was better,
otehr then the helm and gloves, which were better. and duncans stuff?
well his sword is really good but i dont have enough STR (im a rouge) i
have 25 and i need 31. and the dagger is very good but i have roses
thorn which is the best dagger in the game id bet

Dragonbone Cailan is better than Dragonbone Warden, IMO. It reduces your fatigue by 20%. That's awesome. Way better than 50 stamina points.

Modifié par Ulicus, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:57 .

[ArdentRaven]

My opinion on where Duncan has gone:



In his last cutscene (supposedly dying at Ostagar) you see him staring up at the tower (where you are). Because he already knows the king is dead, and the battle lost, it seems likely that he would have thought the next priority being to keep the PC and Alistair safe (as he likes both of you and Alistair being the next in line for the throne). So when you get to the Tower of Ishaal you see the door just before the stairs to the second level is barricaded. My opinion is that Duncan managed to get off the battlefield and get to the tower, searching for the PC and Alistair. He didn't find you two there as you had just been rescued by Flemeth (who was a "giant bird" and would not have needed to use the stairs, thus dismissing any reason for them to have bumped into each other on the stairs). So when he showed up too late to find you two he realized the battle was lost and the only thing he could do is barricade the door and hope to wait it out.



Just my opinion from gathered information, if you have any other details or something that dismisses theory, PM me. I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

[Circaxx]

Zemore wrote...

Sun and Snow wrote...

For those wondering:

(spoilers obviously)



Duncan's Dagger (tier 7) - dagger, req. 30 dex
DMG 6.40
Crit. chance 4.80%
Armor penetration: 8
Str. Modifier: 0.85
+4 DEX
+10% crit/backstab damage
+10 damage vs dragons
3 rune slots

Duncan's Sword (tier 6) - longsword, req. 27 str
DMG 10.50
Crit chance 3%
Armor penetration: 3.50
STR modifier: 1
+3 willpower
+3 cunning
+4 stamina regeneration in combat
+4 dmg vs. darkspawn
2 rune slots

King's armor was Red Steel, Xbox360 version.

Best weapon name - Nug Crusher lol. I think I'll give that to Oghren.

Fun dlc, worth the money imo!

i hear the red steel changes at a higher level to dragon bone if you place it in warden keep box thingy (havent tried it out but worth a shot)

it does work with most armor , iv done that alot

[xI extremist Ix]

Aldaris951 wrote...

how long does the DLC take to finish?

About an hour.

[Duncan_922]

Still no PC??? It's almost midnight!

[2020Hindsight]

DLC took me atleast an hour on Nightmare with a level 7 MC and Alistair and a level 8 Morrigan and Leliana. Needless to say bad idea. For me, atleast, it was incredibly challenging.

[Vicious]

For what it's worth, if you bring Dog along, he has a brand new growwwwlllll when Loghain says that Cailan was just going to hand Ferelden back to the Orlesians just so he can prance about in his prissy golden armor and be called "Emperor."

Modifié par Vicious, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:44 .

[Ulicus]

So, anyone want to hazard a guess why Cailan figured it was a good idea to leave the darkspawn slaying, corruption repelling, legendary blade of his father in his tent when he went off to face the darkspawn?

My theory?

"He's in the camp drinking with the Grey Wardens"

Drunk Cailan: I'm sooo gonna kill more darksphawn dan yoush!
Drunk Warden: Wisth your daddy's mag*hick* sword? Yoush should kill five times more!
Drunk Cailan: I could kill THRICE as many WIVOUT my daddy's sword!
Drunk Warden: haha! You said DADDY. Daddy's boooy!
Drunk Cailan: Shuth up! I could still kill more darksphwan dan yoush!
Drunk Warden: Whesh proves isth then! I bet yoush a whole BIT!
Drunk Cailan: I bet yoush a whole sausage!
Drunk Warden: Yesh! That sausage is mine!
Drunk Cailan: Elric! ELRIC!
Elric: Uh, yes your Majesty?
Drunk Cailan: Takes thish key!
Elric: But, uh, won't you need it, your Majesty?
Drunk Cailan: Noes! I must resisht the temp- the tempat- the you know what I mean! Now goes!
Elric: But, what if something happens to you, your Majest?
Drunk Cailan; Gives itsh to da Grey Wardens or something, I don't... *passes out*

Modifié par Ulicus, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:48 .

[Vicious]

Loghain said he never used it because he was "saving it for the Archdemon." and wrapped the powerful blade in "pretty velvet." Nevermind that only a Grey Warden can kill an Archdemon and all.

So in short: Cailan was an idiot.

Modifié par Vicious, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:46 .

[Nobody Important]

I found something called manuscript copy in a chest in return to ostagar did anyone find out what its for?

[nyxocity]

Ulicus wrote...

In what could have been a scripted moment, the Risen Ogre, near death, grabbed Alistair - brother of the King it had slain and last of the Theirin line- and looked ready to break him in half... and then BOOM his heterosexual life-partner Cousland did one better than Duncan and came to his rescue, dealing the deathblow.

Seriously, that was worth the price of the DLC alone.

****ing Epic.

Dude. That is f***ing AWESOME. I would pay to see that, would give a lot to have it play out the same way. You could not ask for a better ending to the battle IMO.

Modifié par thenyxie, 14 janvier 2010 - 04:24 .

[Sidney]

RPGlover732 wrote...

Why does every one love the loot so much? calins armor was good, but my warden commanders armor was better, otehr then the helm and gloves, which were better. and duncans stuff? well his sword is really good but i dont have enough STR (im a rouge) i have 25 and i need 31. and the dagger is very good but i have roses thorn which is the best dagger in the game id bet

Duncan's Sword and Dagger are the two worthwhile items - the sword is second to Starfang and the Dagger is impressive. Cailin's armor is 4th at best, as best I can tell, behind: Blood Dragon, Juggernaut and Legion not sure how it ranks vs Dilligence and Effort since I've sold those along with Wade's Massive Dragonbone. Maric's sword is no great shakes.

I played with a lvl 21 character and I got the Red steel version of stuff.