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[Dragon Age1103]

I should of never read any of this!!! Now RTO seems ever farther away!!!!!!!!!!!

[NKKKK]

Those letters actually proved that Cailan loved Anora.

[Asylumer]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

I should of never read any of this!!! Now RTO seems ever farther away!!!!!!!!!!!

I also caved in and spoiled myself.

*sigh* These forums are bad for me.

[NvVanity]

NKKKK wrote...

Those letters actually proved that Cailan loved Anora.

I agree but I also agree with the others that Cailan is not that bright when it comes to politics, he thinks he's doing a good job he's trying but he's obviously has no idea about the concept of it. Even if he wasn't having an affair with the Empress he would of been manipulated into handing Ferelden back over. I feel sorry for the guy, oh well good thing we can give him a funeral pyre.

[NKKKK]

I don't know...we don't know anything of Empress Celene, she may have been ruthless in her rise to power, but I think she's way different than any of her predecessors. It's hard to tell what would've happened, surely the Anderfels would not have been happy that a country used the blight to take over another country.



I still think Loghain overreacted, since he never knew about those letters. I like Loghain, but he needs to calm down.

[NKKKK]

Sorry for the doublepost, but many things that Empress Celene has said is admiration for Fereldan.



"The Fereldans are a puzzle. As a people, they are one bad day away from reverting to barbarism. They repelled invasions from Tevinter during the height of the Imperium with nothing but dogs and their own obstinate disposition. They are the coarse, willful, dirty, disorganized people who somehow gave rise to our prophet, ushered in an era of enlightenment, and toppled the greatest empire in history."



"One can assume a few things in dealing with these people: First, they value loyalty above all things, beyond wealth, power, and reason. Second, although few things in their country are remarkable to outsiders, they are extremely proud of their accomplishments. Third, if one insults their dogs, they are likely to declare war. And finally, one has underestimated Fereldans when he thinks he has come to understand them."



I think she would want to invade Fereldan again after the fail that was the rebellion.

[NvVanity]

NKKKK wrote...

I don't know...we don't know anything of Empress Celene, she may have been ruthless in her rise to power, but I think she's way different than any of her predecessors. It's hard to tell what would've happened, surely the Anderfels would not have been happy that a country used the blight to take over another country.

I still think Loghain overreacted, since he never knew about those letters. I like Loghain, but he needs to calm down.

Right......Did Chairman Mao, Castro, Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon and (insert dictator here) have a change of heart after their rise to power? It's like Flemeth states (I think it was her) people will use situations as Blights as a means to gain power. Celene is the daughter of the king who took over Ferelden. To the Orlesians loosing Ferelden is a big slap to the face if you were to compare their military strength. Ferelden doesn't have the strongest military and Orlais has really only been beaten back by Nevarra.

As for Anderfels what are they going to do? The Anderfel's government is separate from the Grey Wardens in Wheissuhpt. In fact it's stated that the King of Anderfels is weak and most people turn to the Grey Wardens for leadership. And the Grey Wardens aren't very likely to go up against Orlais if they took over Ferelden. Going up against Ferelden was a disaster for Sophia Dryden. 

[Costin_Razvan]

NKKKK wrote...
I think she would want to invade Fereldan again after the fail that was the rebellion.

Why bother invading when you can gain the country without a single blow ( aka marrying Cailan )

[NKKKK]

I'm just saying that I don't think the Orlesians would try to invade Fereldan again, unless risk being beat back by another rebellion, you can't twice subjugate people, it just doesn't work and I think Celene knows this.



And I'm honestly one of the people that thinks she honestly wanted to help against the Blight with no underhanded intentions.



Also, Orlais and Nevarra are not friendly at the moment, They're not gonna do a two front war.

[Costin_Razvan]

I think your the only one who is a fool, just as big as Cailan was.

[Vicious]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think your the only one who is a fool, just as big as Cailan was.

nod.

[Wissenschaft]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ariella wrote...

I find it funny how many people jump on Cailan. In my opinion, if he did have an affair, he's trading up. Thing is, if he WAS having an affair and was going to marry Celene, why didn't he put Anora aside long ago? From what the second letter said, it sounds like Cailan was resisting the idea of divorcing Anora.

The letter from Celene sounds like a ruler who had come to trust Cailan, and considered him a friend.

Rulers never talk to each other that way. Not even as "friends".
It's clear the imbecile was manipulated into marrying her. To someone who surpasses Anora in decietfulness and political genius. Thank the Make that the blight came and killed Cailan when it did.

How exactly to they talk to each other?

European royalty often refereed to each as cousin and basically as family because errr...inbreeding. Good old royal tradition.

And was there a specific marriage proposal and from whom?

It very possible they were considering some type of marriage just as a sign of alliance. That was very common even in real life.

[Elanareon]

Well i think everyone's a fool. lol You are speculating things concerning the new Empress of Orlais wthout even knowing her attitude. Note that she was a post-rebellion empress. And how would Ferelden be subjugated by Orlais? Who would dare harm the people of the Empress' husband? Maybe Ferelden will be part of Orlais but not become subjugated.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Asylumer wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

I should of never read any of this!!! Now RTO seems ever farther away!!!!!!!!!!!

I also caved in and spoiled myself.

*sigh* These forums are bad for me.

Me too, although am kinda grinning now and really looking forward to playing it

[andcus]

I just find the fact that Loghain's betrayal was because someone was cheating on his daughter, disturbing. I find it interesting though to hear that Anora couldn't get pregnant, at least not with Cailan.

Another reason for him to go fooling around with the Empress

[Costin_Razvan]

Elanareon wrote...

Well i think everyone's a fool. lol You are speculating things concerning the new Empress of Orlais wthout even knowing her attitude. Note that she was a post-rebellion empress. And how would Ferelden be subjugated by Orlais? Who would dare harm the people of the Empress' husband? Maybe Ferelden will be part of Orlais but not become subjugated.

I am certain the four legions of chevaliers that would have been sent to Fereldan would have behaved quite well and nicely.

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

[SDNcN]

I played through the DLC right after putting a Hardened Alistair on throne, killing Loghain, and locking away Anora.
I feel bad now.

Next time Eamon and his Orelisan wife are going to be screwed over, Alistair killed if possible, Anora put on the throne, and Loghain left alive or dieing against the Archdemon. In Ferelden stupidity is genetic and the Theirin bloodline needs to be ended.

[Selej]

Ulicus wrote...



In what could have been a scripted moment, the Risen Ogre, near death, grabbed Alistair - brother of the King it had slain and last of the Theirin line- and looked ready to break him in half... and then BOOM his heterosexual life-partner Cousland did one better than Duncan and came to his rescue, dealing the deathblow.

Seriously, that was worth the price of the DLC alone.

****ing Epic.

Oddly enough, that's what happened to me. I had thought, after reading your post, that's what always happens but when I took Loghain, it was just a simple kill. I reloaded it and ironically enough, he grabbed my PC and Loghain made the save lol.

[Selej]

SDNcN wrote...

I played through the DLC right after putting a Hardened Alistair on throne, killing Loghain, and locking away Anora.
I feel bad now.

Next time Eamon and his Orelisan wife are going to be screwed over, Alistair killed if possible, Anora put on the throne, and Loghain left alive or dieing against the Archdemon. In Ferelden stupidity is genetic and the Theirin bloodline needs to be ended.

I know how you feel. You can bet Arlessa is gonna die this time around and Loghain will be spared always. Alistair...he can be king with Anora to perserve the line (and for continuity sakes with the expansion) but I wish Eamon could die..

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I imagine I will still kill Loghain, it was more than just Ostagar and the king that he did wrong (Though now, I can totally understand his motivations, and in light of RTO discoveries, his paranoia of the Orlesians was not so far fetched).



But, it certainly does give me even more reason NOT to make Alistair king, and let Anora run the show, if for no other reason than to spite Eamon and throw a wrench in his own manipulations/goals. Cailan was simply too much an easily led idiot to come up with such a scheme on his own. Eamon was clearly the one pushing for it, suggesting it, ect.



I think I'm gonna have fun killing either his wife or kid this time around, and I think I won't **** so much about Loghain poisoning Eamon in the first place. I might have done the same in his shoes.

[Elanareon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Elanareon wrote...

Well i think everyone's a fool. lol You are speculating things concerning the new Empress of Orlais wthout even knowing her attitude. Note that she was a post-rebellion empress. And how would Ferelden be subjugated by Orlais? Who would dare harm the people of the Empress' husband? Maybe Ferelden will be part of Orlais but not become subjugated.

I am certain the four legions of chevaliers that would have been sent to Fereldan would have behaved quite well and nicely.

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

Huwhaaaaaaaat?! Who said anything about sending legions of chevaliers? I was talking about Cailan marrying the empress? Chevaliers? Where did you get the idea i was talking about chevaliers? Try this if Cailan is the husband of the empress do you really think he would allow bad things to happen in his country from so high up??

Oh wait were we talking chevaliers? oh my chevaliers!

Besides the bad things that happened with ferelden was caused by the "Usurper" afaik... Not the empress, better yet this is a "NEW" empress.

Besides from so high up, he can just tell the CHEVALIERS to not go to ferelden. Now if the Empress is sending CHEVALIERS to Felrelden for assisting the blight then that's another story. Would they conquer a land besieged by the Blight? AND the "RIGHT" of the CHEVALIERS only works in Orlais not Ferelden, so they can not do anything but obey the empress.

[Costin_Razvan]

Sure, he would have had so much power in making decisions when dealing Celene, ye right.

[Lotion Soronarr]

King and Queen have equal power. And both countries would be THEIRS.



After all, why would Cailan even consider marriage if he would have less say about Ferelden than he does now?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Cailan = an idiot.

Empress Celene = like Catherine the Great.



Anyoen thinking this is a good idea is as idiotic as cailan.