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[dversion]

I honestly can't believe it took until the third game's DLC to have a turian female.

It's sort of a strong patriarchal view of the galaxy when the male version is the default representative of a species.
Not only that, but that bias really makes the universe of Mass Effect feel much smaller when only one sex of a species is represented.

I understand this was a limit on disc space but considering that the next gen optical discs should be much larger than the Xbox dvd I really don't see the reason females of every major race are not represented.

[David7204]

The male version is the default version of pretty much everything, with a few exceptions like nurse or secretary. Nothing at all new in Mass Effect.

I don't really think it's harmfully sexist.

It wasn't a problem with disk space, it's a problem with creating the character models. Also, it might be simply difficult to portray certain races like volus and elcor as female.

Modifié par David7204, 11 mars 2013 - 11:56 .

[TheWerdna]

At least one race, quarians, had only a female member shown until Mass Effect 2

Edit: Meant ME2, not ME3

Modifié par TheWerdna, 12 mars 2013 - 05:57 .

[Battlebloodmage]

And I can't believe it's not butter.

[dversion]

David7204 wrote...

The male version is the default version of pretty much everything, with a few exceptions like nurse or secretary. Nothing at all new in Mass Effect.

I don't really think it's sexist.

I can't tell if this is humorous sarcasm or just a plain ol' troll being plain ol' trolly.

[dversion]

TheWerdna wrote...

At least one race, quarians, had only a female member shown until Mass Effect 3

Well she was also the only quarian you run into (i think?) in mass effect. Which is fine.

[2leggywillow]

 Inb4 someone claims the presence of the all-female asari negates all sexism.

[DeinonSlayer]

Asari are all female, but half of them are strippers. Salarians are 90% male, with females essentially ruling them. Quarians and humans are equally represented. Krogan are, frankly, a more primitive society in a structural sense (Wreav regards Eve as a possession, not a person). Turians ought to have been equally represented, but weren't. I don't think we see or hear a female Batarian at any point in the trilogy.

So, hit-and-miss, really.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 mars 2013 - 09:23 .

[dversion]

2leggywillow wrote...

 Inb4 someone claims the presence of the all-female asari negates all sexism.

Oh the asari are diplomats and commandos and.. oh look they're strippers because of course they are.

[Wulfram]

TheWerdna wrote...

At least one race, quarians, had only a female member shown until Mass Effect 3

There were loads and loads of male Quarians in ME2.  None in ME1, but then I don't think there was more than 1 Quarian in ME1.

[dversion]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Asari are all female, but half of them are strippers. Salarians are 90% male, with females essentially ruling them. Quarians and humans are equally represented. Krogan are, frankly, a more primitive society in a structural sense (Wreav regards Eve as a possession, not a person). Turians ought to have been equally represented, but weren't.

So, hit-and-miss, really.

Yeah but besides the Quarians everything else sort of felt like an afterthought. Also suspect that the veils on the Krogan females felt like a bit of modeling lazyness as they didn't want to fully create a whole new model for females and just put a robe over the male model.

Then there's the hanar, volus, elcor, drell...

[TomY90]

TheWerdna wrote...

At least one race, quarians, had only a female member shown until Mass Effect 3

ME2 was the game they introduced male Quarians actually

From what I know everyone except the Vorcha, drell, elcor and volus have had female versions of there characters now

(thats saying it would be weird to see a female vorcha)

Modifié par TomY90, 11 mars 2013 - 09:31 .

[David7204]

Or maybe it's just facts being facts?

It's absolutely true. Male is considered default. Female is considered special.

[DeinonSlayer]

dversion wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Asari are all female, but half of them are strippers. Salarians are 90% male, with females essentially ruling them. Quarians and humans are equally represented. Krogan are, frankly, a more primitive society in a structural sense (Wreav regards Eve as a possession, not a person). Turians ought to have been equally represented, but weren't.

So, hit-and-miss, really.

Yeah but besides the Quarians everything else sort of felt like an afterthought. Also suspect that the veils on the Krogan females felt like a bit of modeling lazyness as they didn't want to fully create a whole new model for females and just put a robe over the male model.

Then there's the hanar, volus, elcor, drell...

Eve's full-body robe was a new model. How much sexual dimorphism can we really expect in a giant bipedal lizard? I'm just glad they didn't slap boobs on her. 

I'm pretty sure Hanar are hermaphrodites. Not sure there was ever more than one Elcor model. Less than 300,000 Drell in the entire galaxy...

[IC-07]

David7204 wrote...

Or maybe it's just facts being facts?

It's absolutely true. Male is considered default. Female is considered special.

Females are considered special. Well, I like the sound of that!

[Wulfram]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Quarians and humans are equally represented..

That's kind of generous on the humans.  Humans with authority are heavily male - Miranda is an honourable exception, the rest are really minor characters.

[Wulfram]

David7204 wrote...

Or maybe it's just facts being facts?

It's absolutely true. Male is considered default. Female is considered special.

It's when you start saying that this isn't sexist that I get lost.

[dversion]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

dversion wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Asari are all female, but half of them are strippers. Salarians are 90% male, with females essentially ruling them. Quarians and humans are equally represented. Krogan are, frankly, a more primitive society in a structural sense (Wreav regards Eve as a possession, not a person). Turians ought to have been equally represented, but weren't.

So, hit-and-miss, really.

Yeah but besides the Quarians everything else sort of felt like an afterthought. Also suspect that the veils on the Krogan females felt like a bit of modeling lazyness as they didn't want to fully create a whole new model for females and just put a robe over the male model.

Then there's the hanar, volus, elcor, drell...

Eve's full-body robe was a new model. How much sexual dimorphism can we really expect in a giant bipedal lizard? I'm just glad they didn't slap boobs on her. 

I'm pretty sure Hanar are hermaphrodites. Not sure there was ever more than one Elcor model. Less than 300,000 Drell in the entire galaxy...

My point is still that it leaves blanks in these races and in the game's universe in general. Also that the writers should probably strive not to fall into their own writing biases as a universe ruled by males. It's not a terrible thing but it is a weakness, one they should probably strive to fix.

[2leggywillow]

Wulfram wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Or maybe it's just facts being facts?

It's absolutely true. Male is considered default. Female is considered special.

It's when you start saying that this isn't sexist that I get lost.

This.  The whole point is that this is a sexist mindset to begin with: that male inclusion is considered the default state.  It's something creators of media need to bear in mind in the future and work to change.

[M Hedonist]

We still need female Batarians, Drell, Elcor, Vorcha...

Not that I'm into that sort of thing.

[DeinonSlayer]

Wulfram wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Quarians and humans are equally represented..

That's kind of generous on the humans.  Humans with authority are heavily male - Miranda is an honourable exception, the rest are really minor characters.

And a good half of the males in power were corrupt. I'm not going to nitpick to this degree. We see plenty of females in leadership positions. Dalatrass Linron, the replacement Salarian Councilor, Eve, Aria, the majority of the Quarian Admiralty Board, Captain Matsuo, Jedore, Nyreen etc. They ought to have introduced female turians sooner, and I'd rather the gratuitous blue-skinned space lesbians hadn't been flaunted as strippers through the entire trilogy, but outside of that, it wasn't too bad.

[IC-07]

Sauruz wrote...

We still need female Batarians, Drell, Elcor, Vorcha...

Not that I'm into that sort of thing.

Nah, we're good.

[David7204]

Okay, first of all, complaining about storytellers doing this is hypocritical, since all of you do it in a thousand different ways every day. We all do it. It's not the job of storytellers to babysit society into 'bettering itself.' It's their job to tell meaningful and interesting stories.

Secondly, I would never say that males and females are not perceived the same. Because they aren't. But is demanding that any differences be eradicated going to get you anywhere, even if it were possible? It's easy to say how bad something is on a forum, but you might well expect and depend on this trope a lot more than you think.

Modifié par David7204, 11 mars 2013 - 09:43 .