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[Mr.House]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

All I see is male turian have thicker, shorter necks and females have skinner and longer necks.

Of course you do, its hard to see evidence when you're neck deep in the sea of denial.

Oh forgive me for finding diffrences in GENDER an issue.

Modifié par Mr.House, 12 mars 2013 - 03:46 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

There's a fallacy here in assuming that just because every detail of the characters is created, every detail has to be there for a driven purpose. If you're making a movie, a character might have big lips just because the actress has big lips. But for a video game, the character can only have big lips if the modelers give her big lips.

The thing is, it's completely unavoidable. The characters don't exist unless they're made. If it was true, there would be no way for developers not to make a statement. So assuming that every detail is there to make a statement - to advertise, to attract teenage boys, to 'sexualize' characters - is silly.

Okay, lets go with this...

What was wrong with:

1) Ashley's appearance in ME1 and ME2?
2) femShep's (default) appearance in ME1 and ME2?
3) I can understand the change in Liara's appearance from ME1 to ME2 because of the change from a field researcher to information broker working out of an office with daily contact in the business world. That made sense, but to further alter and give a bum lift, boob job, and lose a rib was totally unnecessary.
4) Kaidan's appearance from ME1 and ME2? He got beefed up in ME3.
5) EDI was unforgivable. Every time I see EDI I think of a 1956 Cadillac.

6) Why didn't they change Sheploo?

The thing was that you say they had to be drawn. Yes, that is true. The decisions don't come from the artist much of the time, just like story doesn't come from the writer much of the time. It comes from the the writer and artist initially, then it goes before a team, then it gets approved by management.

In the graphic arts department obviously someone wanted to change things, and it obviously came from someone pretty high up, otherwise why was there a campaign to completely redesign femshep? "We're listening to the fans!" So default femShep morphs to Teen-FemShep then to something that vaguely resembles a human.female. This is supposed to be a 33 year old woman who is a soldier and can fire a Widow sniper rifle -- you know that rifle that will snap a shoulder on a normal person. With those arms? How can she lift the thing?

For every step they took forward they took a step back. It was sad. And if you look around the gaming business, it's like some people don't have a clue. Other people do.

So it is avoidable. It is completely avoidable.

And perhaps i'm a bit more sensitive to this because I'm a woman. I notice it more. I'd like to see women better and more positively represented in games and media. Bioware is one of the few companies that offers female protagonists in their games.

[Mr.House]

I like Liara and Kaidans look in ME3...

I also like ME3 default Shepards hair and freckles..

Modifié par Mr.House, 12 mars 2013 - 03:51 .

[RaenImrahl]

@EnvyTB075, @Mr.House-- please stay on-topic without the personal jibes and snark. Thanks.

[Mr.House]

Re-edited as this was made after the warrning, sorry.

Modifié par Mr.House, 12 mars 2013 - 03:50 .

[MegaSovereign]

I thought FemShep's default face design was changed due to complaints by people who played as FemShep?

[EnvyTB075]

Mr.House wrote...

*headdesk* Wow..... Just wow.  I can look at both genders of turian and see they are turians. You just showed two birds that look nothing alike. Congrats.

The neck/skull structure of Male Turians and Female Turians look nothing alike, the analogy is accurate.

MegaSovereign wrote...

I thought FemShep's default face design was changed due to complaints by people who played as FemShep?

I find that even rather silly. I mean why would you stick with the standard face of either gender?

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 12 mars 2013 - 03:52 .

[MegaSovereign]

@Envy

Because people like me suck at creating custom faces, especially for FemShep.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 mars 2013 - 03:52 .

[ChaosMarky]

TheWerdna wrote...

At least one race, quarians, had only a female member shown until Mass Effect 3

There were male quarians in ME2! :0

[CronoDragoon]

Same species, male female. Big differences can happen.

[EnvyTB075]

MegaSovereign wrote...

@Envy

Because people like me suck at creating custom faces.

For manshep, i can understand, every attempt i've made at a manshep ended in someone who looked like they were 55 are DEFINATELY didn't have any business involving themselves with...say, Tali, but Femhep?

CronoDragoon wrote...

Same species, male female. Big differences can happen.

I lol'd.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 12 mars 2013 - 03:54 .

[CronoDragoon]

God I love Planet Earth.

[CronoDragoon]

 Here's another:



So yeah, I'm going to have to say not a huge issue. In fact, the longer turian crest seems in line with birds.

Perhaps the crest flamboyance was once a mating attraction for turians? 

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 12 mars 2013 - 03:58 .

[David7204]

Don't you see a bit of a problem in complaining that a female Shepard doesn't have enough muscle and complaining that Kaidan beefs up?

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

Don't you see a bit of a problem in complaining that a female Shepard doesn't have enough muscle and complaining that Kaidan beefs up?

Kaidan is a biotic, femsheps body MIGHT work if you're a biotic, but a solider? No. For frick sakes. LadyHawke has more muscle then femshep.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I do think they should have introduced females earlier on, especially for Salarians and Turians. Also, the series is pretty heavy on the female sex apeal; the Asari as a whole, Miranda, EDI's ridiculous body, Ashley's nonsensical makeover, these things simply don't have their male equivalents. The worse for me will always be Samara, however; it just doesn't fit the character at all to have so revealing an outfit.

Still, female characters are treated very well in the series minus for the apearance (no one can say Miranda is a shallow character, nor is EDI, and virtually no Asari is simply some dumb bimbo), and of course Shepard is just as badass whatever the gender. So I don't believe gender issues are really important in this series; indeed, it's better than in 95% of the industry.

EDIT: also yes FemShep's ME3 body was... odd. How the hell can she shoot a Claymore with these frail looking arms? Soldiers surely are much beefier than that. I think Allers looks stronger than FemShep.

Modifié par Giantdeathrobot, 12 mars 2013 - 04:01 .

[EnvyTB075]

CronoDragoon wrote...

 Here's another:



So yeah, I'm going to have to say not a huge issue. In fact, the longer turian crest seems in line with birds.

These birds still have the same bone structure as each other, whether or not they have a fringe isn't the issue, as i said in my post it was expected.

David7204 wrote...

Don't you see a bit of a problem in
complaining that a female Shepard doesn't have enough muscle and
complaining that Kaidan beefs up?

No, because Female shepard slimmed down to supermodel standards.

CronoDragoon wrote...
Perhaps the crest flamboyance was once a mating attraction for turians? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

It wouldn't surprise me, though most of Turian culture is fanon and depends on which fanfiction you're reading lol.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 12 mars 2013 - 04:05 .

[David7204]

Okay then. Male Shepard. There have been complaints about his body having too much muscle, haven't there?

[dversion]

David7204 wrote...

If Ashley and Liara have bigger chests then before, I can't really tell in the game. I wouldn't know at all if I didn't spend time here and didn't hear quotes from the art book.

She looks better. She does. And I appreciate that. I've never romanced her in ME 3 and don't intend to anytime soon, but I appreciate it nonetheless. Her attractiveness is attractive. It's a compelling part of her character, and I'm glad it's there. Same with Jack. Same with EDI.

I don't really think you should strive to be personally attracted to fake, fictional characters in videogames. I mean I like the characters but increasing the size of boobs is juvinile and decreases the value of the characters as more eye-candy and less emotional grounded characters. It also sends a message to women that this is what is expected in their fantasy universe. because remember this sin't just for us males, it's for everyone.

So you may have to sacrifice your 'appreciation' to respect the characters and the players.

[Mr.House]

EnvyTB075 wrote...


No, because Female shepard slimmed down to supermodel standards.

When ladyhawke is more built then femshep, who is a soldier, you know you screwed up.

[EnvyTB075]

Mr.House wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...


No, because Female shepard slimmed down to supermodel standards.

When ladyhawke is more built then femshep, who is a soldier, you know you screwed up.

I'm assuming this is referencing Dragon Age? I haven't played them so the only LadyHawke i know of is the singer lol.

[MacroSpamMK]

I hate feminists.
Doesn't really have much to do with this but I'm just throwing it out there.

Also broshep > femshep. He's so much cooler. Femshep is like super serious face.

Modifié par MacroSpamMK, 12 mars 2013 - 04:05 .

[Mr.House]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...


No, because Female shepard slimmed down to supermodel standards.

When ladyhawke is more built then femshep, who is a soldier, you know you screwed up.

I'm assuming this is referencing Dragon Age? I haven't played them so the only LadyHawke i know of is the singer lol.

Yup. LadyHawke, no mattert he class has muscle tone, which would not be bad... If Femshep in ME3 had muscle tone and looked liek a solider.

[dversion]

I'm also pretty disappointing in the lack of muscle tone for female Sheppard. It's a trend in media to play down the physical strength of women. My friend, actually had a job photoshopping the muscles away from Kira Knightly in a movie poster for that King Arthur film where she had to use a bow and arrow. The actress actually worked out for the role and on the poster they removed her muscle tone.

[Zkyire]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I find that even rather silly. I mean why would you stick with the standard face of either gender?

OT so this is all I'll say on the matter: Male Shepard's default face is based on a model - it's an actual face. Femsheps was generated using the CC I believe. So they (femshep fans) wanted a more unique appearance to compensate. I use the default Sheploo face because it's such high quality, so I guess many fans wanted to play a default femshep of similar quality rather than an attempt at a CC femshep.

As per the Turians: I see where you're coming from, the neck/back of the head is very different. Usually you'd see differences in size, colouring patterns or something akin to plumage, rather than bone structure changes. But still, it's how they're represented so *shrug*

Modifié par Zkyire, 12 mars 2013 - 04:07 .