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[lyssalu]

Masha Potato wrote...

Joker didn't get specifically beefed up, he uses the standard body model. By beefed Kaidan people mean his armor model

they did conveniently forget his disability every time it was convenient though 

teehee

[NeonFlux117]

dversion wrote...

I'm pretty sure Kaiden's entire personality is "I get headaches"

Now that made me laugh. 


He does get a lot of headaches tho. 

Wait, what if Alenko is indoctrinated and is the great betrayer and the reaper doomsday device. Damn, Kaiden I always knew you were really best buds with Saren and Sovereign. But now, I have the proof!!!

[David7204]

There are no Mary Sues in Mass Effect.

[NeonFlux117]

David7204 wrote...

There are no Mary Sues in Mass Effect.

ooohhh Davey, I was wondering when you would grace this thread with your presenece. 

[MegaSovereign]

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 mars 2013 - 02:11 .

[lyssalu]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

moot point considering the lack of romanceable dudes 

which is funny given the fact that the galaxy is overrun with them because representations of women is only necessary for the races with hot ones (barring plot necessary baby incubator eve and the turian female who was put there only after fan demands)

Modifié par lyssalu, 12 mars 2013 - 02:13 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

it was also really ridiculous that they felt the need to "beef kaidan up" as if he'd been too effeminate before

I thought Kaidan looked fine before. It was his character that needed beefing up. Then again in ME1 every character was basically a walking codex. They were all pretty wooden.

The explanation for every male character looking like a walking Adonis is that they (with the exception of Vega) all share the same body model. This is, of course, because the model was specifically created with MaleShep in mind. The same courtesy was not extended to female Shepard.

Like, BioWare. You created a distinct model for an annoyance arguably useless side-character like Lumpy Space Princess Vega, but you couldn't do the same for the protagonist?

How you gonna have Shepard out there with her arms looking like wet fettucine?

I t r e a l l y b e l i k e t h a t?

We won't mention EDI.... *head desk* as much as I like the character.

Okay, EDI was just indefensible. Especially with that ridiculous note in the art book.

[NeonFlux117]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

No. No. This is a rational statment. Shoo be gone. 

[dversion]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

[MegaSovereign]

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

moot point considering the lack of romanceable dudes 

That doesn't take away from what I said.

[MegaSovereign]

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

If anything, men are portrayed as hotheads in ME3. For example, the Krogan females are considered the only rational members of their race.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 mars 2013 - 02:18 .

[lyssalu]

MegaSovereign wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

moot point considering the lack of romanceable dudes 

That doesn't take away from what I said.

yeah, it 100% does.  men were made more attractive for the sake of appearing more aggressive and masculine which is to serve a male fanbase.  the standards for masculine and feminine attractiveness are completely different.  men got beefed up so they looked hxc, not so the female fanbase would collectively drop their panties.  

you should know better than to think things work that way

ooooooh, which can be even more potently evidenced by the fact that the race created specifically for women also happen to be more dainty and sleek~

wonder why

Modifié par lyssalu, 12 mars 2013 - 02:20 .

[lyssalu]

MegaSovereign wrote...

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

awh another person who doesn't understand how societal values are propagated and intilled 

precious

[dversion]

MegaSovereign wrote...

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

Never said that. It does change the character however. Again I point to Ashley who, as a veteran soldier, really wouldn't go into battle with no armour, pink lipgloss, and loose, long hair. It sacrifices charater traits for something as shallow as sex appeal.

[dversion]

Oh god, I really hope we're not getting into a misandry thing.

[MegaSovereign]

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

awh another person who doesn't understand how societal values are propagated and intilled 

precious

I don't like your condescending attitude.

[lyssalu]

MegaSovereign wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

awh another person who doesn't understand how societal values are propagated and intilled 

precious

I don't like your condescending attitude.

i don't like your blatant ignorance 

[lyssalu]

dversion wrote...

Oh god, I really hope we're not getting into a misandry thing.

you know that's where discussions like these are always headed when the uneducated mens get involved 

U THINK THERE 2 MANY MEN IN GAME?  

U JUST H8 MEN

[Zkyire]

MegaSovereign wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

awh another person who doesn't understand how societal values are propagated and intilled 

precious

I don't like your condescending attitude.

Nor do I.

Mods are asleep it seems.

[NeonFlux117]

I be so uneducated with my degrees in psychology and poly sci. derp.










With threads like these. There's, a lot at steak,





And I ****in' luv steak.

[MegaSovereign]

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

awh another person who doesn't understand how societal values are propagated and intilled 

precious

I don't like your condescending attitude.

i don't like your blatant ignorance 

I can't believe you can't even see the double standard of what you've been saying.

yeah, it 100% does.  men were made more attractive for the sake of
appearing more aggressive and masculine which is to serve a male
fanbase.  the standards for masculine and feminine attractiveness are
completely different.  men got beefed up so they looked hxc, not so the
female fanbase would collectively drop their panties. 

Both genders in the ME series are portrayed as attractive. You're simply
pinning motivations behind each gender to suit your argument. In reality, you don't know the reasoning behind the design decisions.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

There are no Mary Sues in Mass Effect.

Hmm, let's see about that. Let's compile a list of all the Mary Sues in Mass Effect:

The biggest and worst Mary Sue of Mass Effect obviously is Kahlee Sanders. There is no doubt about it, she's a Mary Sue to a point that it makes me sick. 


Other characters that fit one or more of the Mary Sue sub-categories are:

Liara (Relationship Sue)
Miranda (Sympathetic Sue)
Tali (Purity Sue)
Jack (Jerk Sue)

Paragon Shepard also comes pretty damn close to being a Mary Sue or Marty Tzu.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 12 mars 2013 - 02:28 .

[lyssalu]

MegaSovereign wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

dversion wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Both genders were made more attractive across the board in ME3. This does not mean that Bioware is sexist.

I don't think anyone's accusing it of sexist, maybe reinforcing objectification of females a bit it's more...stupid and distracting. It's sort of disrespectful to the characters we've liked because of the writing that went into them and not because of their polygons.

No, the only objectification going on here is the audience pinning stereotypes to what they see.

Someone looking attractive does not make their character shallow.

awh another person who doesn't understand how societal values are propagated and intilled 

precious

I don't like your condescending attitude.

i don't like your blatant ignorance 

I can't believe you can't even see the double standard of what you've been saying.

yeah, it 100% does.  men were made more attractive for the sake of
appearing more aggressive and masculine which is to serve a male
fanbase.  the standards for masculine and feminine attractiveness are
completely different.  men got beefed up so they looked hxc, not so the
female fanbase would collectively drop their panties. 

Both genders in the ME series are portrayed as attractive. You're simply
pinning motivations behind each gender to suit your argument. In reality, you don't know the reasoning behind the design decisions.

[MegaSovereign]

Fantastic argument.

That's hard to refute, really. I guess I'm done here.