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[Knubbsal]

Samara
Javik, since he seems to prefer guns over biotics, otherwise he'd probably be better than Samara
Liara / asari justicars / asari spectres
Jack / asari commandos
Asari commoners / skilled krogan / skilled drell / Highly skilled humans like Kaidan
Asari with salarian dads / krogan / drell / skilled humans / some batarians
The rest isn't relevant enough to be mentioned.

[o Ventus]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Dear mods:

Can the massive pyramid quoters be banned now please?

Easy, Captain Dogooder. Lighten up. 

Not Captain Dogooder, just heavily annoyed. 

You score bonus points for the passive aggressive.

[L2 Sentinel]

o Ventus wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Dear mods:

Can the massive pyramid quoters be banned now please?

Easy, Captain Dogooder. Lighten up. 

Not Captain Dogooder, just heavily annoyed. 

You score bonus points for the passive aggressive.

It doesn't help that they weren't even on topic. <_<

[Wifflebottom]

Interesting thread. I'd say Samara, Javik, Miranda, Liara, Kaidan, Thane, Wrex, Jacob (sorry but pull is not "The Good Stuff" jacob ) for biotics. EDI, Legion, Kasumi, Tali, Mordin for tech, I'd say Tali and Kasumi are interchangeable because Kasumi manages to remain under the radar from the entire galaxy so she's a pretty skilled tech and Tali can reverse engineer AIs and whatnot.

[KwangtungTiger]

Volc19 wrote...

1- Samara: Matriarch, Justicar, Asari, need I say more?
2- Morinth: If Shepard's minor interference is all it took to push the tide of battle between the two of them one way or the other, they much be pretty evenly matched
3- Jack: Strongest human biotic ever. This is non-debatable
4- Javik: Ancient Prothean biotic? An avatar for vengeance among his people? Important enough to the Protheans for him to be prioritized over all other possible survivors? He's probably quite the biotic.
5- Liara: She has the edge because she's an Asari, but she never received any actual military training as far as we know.
6- Miranda: Genetically engineered to be perfect. If any human other than Jack is close to the top of the list, it's Miranda.
7- Wrex: He's a krogan battlemaster with hundreds of years under his belt, he's probably quite the biotic. Not great, but good.
8- Kaidan: L2s have much higher potential than L3s, so he's probably up there.
9- Thane: Making him a biotic was likely an afterthought.
10- Jacob: He can only pull things.

 
 This right here ^

 I don't know how people are putting Kaidan (Even with L2 biotic upgrades) above Miranda. She spends all of ME2 telling you how genetically perfect she is.

[L2 Sentinel]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 I don't know how people are putting Kaidan (Even with L2 biotic upgrades) above Miranda. She spends all of ME2 telling you how genetically perfect she is.

Exactly. Miranda is telling us how strong Miranda is. Then Miranda says she can hold a barrier.

[KwangtungTiger]

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 I don't know how people are putting Kaidan (Even with L2 biotic upgrades) above Miranda. She spends all of ME2 telling you how genetically perfect she is.

Exactly. Miranda is telling us how strong Miranda is. Then Miranda says she can hold a barrier.

 She's not boasting about it though. It's more akin to her hating the fact that she was genetically built.

[Sideria]

Well it's not precised anywhere, but I think Kaidan must have upgraded his implant to L5.

[sravenblood]

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan also says that Soldier Shepard is biotic.

Don't take that conversation seriously.

Soldier Shepard is a biotic, he can learn biotic powers.

[Sideria]

sravenblood wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan also says that Soldier Shepard is biotic.

Don't take that conversation seriously.

Soldier Shepard is a biotic, he can learn biotic powers.

Yep Shepard had two exposures to element zero : http://masseffect.wi...ki/Talk:Biotics

[shepard1038]

No, Shepard is the only biotic with L5 implants.

[Shaleist]

All I know for sure... Samara/Morinth and Jack > Miranda, Jacob, Thane.
Rest of it is speculation.

Modifié par Shaleist, 12 mars 2013 - 03:36 .

[L2 Sentinel]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 I don't know how people are putting Kaidan (Even with L2 biotic upgrades) above Miranda. She spends all of ME2 telling you how genetically perfect she is.

Exactly. Miranda is telling us how strong Miranda is. Then Miranda says she can hold a barrier.

 She's not boasting about it though. It's more akin to her hating the fact that she was genetically built.

Miranda only lists her biotics as one of the many things she does well. Her biotics are strong, but even she never claims to be one of the strongest biotics. She was engineered to be able to do a variety of things well, not to be the best at everything. Meanwhile, Kaidan is put in charge of biotics division. Anderson insisted that it had to be Kaidan. He is regarded as the best biotic the Alliance has to offer with the possible exception of Shepard.

As a side note, while the Suicide Mission is a good indicator that Samara and Jack are stronger than Thane, Miranda, and Jacob, it doesn't help us compare them to Liara, Kaidan, Wrex, or Javik. It's possible that any of them could have also maintained the barrier.

[KwangtungTiger]

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 I don't know how people are putting Kaidan (Even with L2 biotic upgrades) above Miranda. She spends all of ME2 telling you how genetically perfect she is.

Exactly. Miranda is telling us how strong Miranda is. Then Miranda says she can hold a barrier.

 She's not boasting about it though. It's more akin to her hating the fact that she was genetically built.

Miranda only lists her biotics as one of the many things she does well. Her biotics are strong, but even she never claims to be one of the strongest biotics. She was engineered to be able to do a variety of things well, not to be the best at everything. Meanwhile, Kaidan is put in charge of biotics division. Anderson insisted that it had to be Kaidan. He is regarded as the best biotic the Alliance has to offer with the possible exception of Shepard.

As a side note, while the Suicide Mission is a good indicator that Samara and Jack are stronger than Thane, Miranda, and Jacob, it doesn't help us compare them to Liara, Kaidan, Wrex, or Javik. It's possible that any of them could have also maintained the barrier.

 The emphasis being the alliance part. He may be the best the Alliance has to offer but better than a genetically engineered human (Im sceptical).

[KwangtungTiger]

 "Miranda was born in 2150. As she explains to Shepard, Miranda never had a mother, only a father who is extremely influential, wealthy, and ego-maniacal. Using a modified copy of his own genome, Miranda was genetically engineered to be a specimen of human perfection. Everything, from her intelligence, physical constitution, biotic abilities, to her appearance were designed before birth to be excellent. She boasts about being able to shoot a mech's head off from 100 meters away or just as easily crush it with her biotic powers. Miranda also heals faster than other humans and will probably live half a lifespan longer. If Shepard accuses her of being cocky, she retorts that she's only stating the facts".

Given the human perfection part, I find it hard to believe another human will have her biotic ability.

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 12 mars 2013 - 03:46 .

[L2 Sentinel]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 The emphasis being the alliance part. He may be the best the Alliance has to offer but better than a genetically engineered human (Im sceptical).

Why does being genetically engineered mean Miranda is more powerful? I'm still confused. She is outperformed by someone in nearly every field. She is not as tech savvy as Tali, not as physically strong as Vega, not as good a marksman as Garrus, and doesn't have as broad an understanding of science as Mordin. She claims to be a strong biotic and a good shot. If someone like Ashley is a better shot (pssst, she is), than it's not hard to imagine that someone like Kaidan is a stronger biotic. Because those are their specialties.

The advantage Miranda has is that she is excels at nearly everything. She doesn't claim to be the best at everything. And since she doesn't ever present her biotics as her strongest attribute, there is no reason to assume that she is beyond the reach of normal humans.

Modifié par Rauhel, 12 mars 2013 - 03:55 .

[KwangtungTiger]

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 The emphasis being the alliance part. He may be the best the Alliance has to offer but better than a genetically engineered human (Im sceptical).

Why does being genetically engineered mean Miranda is more powerful? I'm still confused. She is outperformed by someone in nearly every field. She is not as tech savvy as Tali, not as physically strong as Vega, not as good a marksman as Garrus, and doesn't have as broad an understanding of science as Mordin. She claims to be a strong biotic and a good shot. If someone like Ashley is a better shot (pssst, she is), than it's not hard to imagine that someone like Kaidan is a stronger biotic. Because those are their specialties.

The advantage Miranda has is that she is excels at nearly everything. She doesn't claim to be the best at everything. And since she doesn't ever present her biotics as her strongest attribute, there is no reason to assume that she is beyond the reach of normal humans.

 For me its the PERFECT human part. If in fact she has been engineered to be the perfect human, I find it hard to believe Kaidan would have better biotics.

 This is merely my opinion.....Thanks for keeping things civil

[L2 Sentinel]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

Given the human perfection part, I find it hard to believe another human will have her biotic ability.

Perfection is an abstract concept. It doesn't actually exist. Everything is flawed when magnified. She may have been engineered to be perfect, but she definitely is not, and she'll be the first to admit it.

Also, Jack is another human, and it's widely accepted that her biotics are stronger than Miranda's.

[Mims]

My assumption is always this for the top adepts of the game.

Samara: Sustainability. She has a better control over herself, and can use her biotics more fully.
Jack: Power. Jack wins in sheer kill-them-dead, but would falter over long drawn out conflicts. She'd also have less control over her abilities than Samara.
Adept!Shepard: The 'midpoint' between Samara and Jack. Decent power, decent sustainability.

Everyone else is up in the air. Liara is the only pure adept holdover, but she never seems to really focus on her abilities ICly for her to be rivaling the other three. I'd rank them by race, with Asari and Javik towards the top. Kaidan and Miranda probably top out the normal humans.

[KwangtungTiger]

Double

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 12 mars 2013 - 04:03 .

[L2 Sentinel]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 For me its the PERFECT human part. If in fact she has been engineered to be the perfect human, I find it hard to believe Kaidan would have better biotics.

 This is merely my opinion.....Thanks for keeping things civil

It's a good discussion.

If Miranda was perfect, and therefor beyond the reach of other humans, she would be better at everything. She makes two claims. She claims to be a strong biotic, and she claims to be a good shot. She never claims to be the strongest biotic and the best shot. We know there are other humans that make better snipers than Miranda. If this is true, then it means that it's also possible for there to be humans that are stronger biotics.

Being perfect means having no flaws. No weaknesses in other words. It doesn't mean outperforming everyone else in every area. And if she is able to be outperformed in one of the things she said she was good at, then she can be outperformed in other areas as well.

[Rip The Reaper]

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

Given the human perfection part, I find it hard to believe another human will have her biotic ability.

Perfection is an abstract concept. It doesn't actually exist. Everything is flawed when magnified. She may have been engineered to be perfect, but she definitely is not, and she'll be the first to admit it.

Also, Jack is another human, and it's widely accepted that her biotics are stronger than Miranda's.

they are stronger. 

[KwangtungTiger]

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

Given the human perfection part, I find it hard to believe another human will have her biotic ability.

Perfection is an abstract concept. It doesn't actually exist. Everything is flawed when magnified. She may have been engineered to be perfect, but she definitely is not, and she'll be the first to admit it.

Also, Jack is another human, and it's widely accepted that her biotics are stronger than Miranda's.

 Jack was a full on, drug induced experiment. I can see why she could be, and is stronger than Miranda.

 Without getting into a philosophical debate, I believe there are varying degrees of perfection (Not objective but subjectively). That said, the fact that they engineered her ass to perfection its hard to believe everthing else didn't fall in place.

 Matter of and difference of opinion's are great, and thats what we have here.

[L2 Sentinel]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 Matter of and difference of opinion's are great, and thats what we have here.

Yup. It looks like we've concluded our discussion. It was nice chatting with you.

[KwangtungTiger]

Rauhel wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 Matter of and difference of opinion's are great, and thats what we have here.

Yup. It looks like we've concluded our discussion. It was nice chatting with you.

 u2