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[Tom Lehrer]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 The emphasis being the alliance part. He may be the best the Alliance has to offer but better than a genetically engineered human (Im sceptical).

Considering Miranda was "grown" at a time biotics were still largely a mystery her powers may not be all that great. At least compared to the others in this listing.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 12 mars 2013 - 06:35 .

[SNascimento]

As far as human goes, Miranda is second only to Jack and probably Shepard.

Modifié par SNascimento, 12 mars 2013 - 06:41 .

[WarGriffin]

I'm the best Biotic, I'm a biotic Demon!

[Walsh1980]

I'd say Jack and Samara (Morinth) are tied. The suicide mission shows that at the very least they are the top 2. Next up would be Kaiden and Liara, Kaiden because of his training and implant, Liara for just being Asari. Miranda I'd place next , because she was made to have them, she's really good at everything.. a "queen of all trades" if you will (not a king though). Thane, Jacob, and Wrex probably wouldn't win in a biotic DBZ battle with the above, their focus was on combat rather than their biotics.

Forgot Javik... I guess I'd put him around Miranda.. his moveset implies he is powerful biotically, but I don't know if he'd beat Jack or Samara in a battle of hadoken's.

Modifié par Walsh1980, 12 mars 2013 - 06:56 .

[nani7788]

The ones I use the most:

- Liara
- Samara
- Jack

The ones I never use:

- Jacob

Modifié par nani7788, 12 mars 2013 - 06:51 .

[Tom Lehrer]

SNascimento wrote...

As far as human goes, Miranda is second only to Jack and probably Shepard.

Gillian? Also the Biotic students at Grissom that are outfitted with L5 implants would be able to use more biotic power then those with older implants. L2 implants spike higher than most L3s as well and given Miranda's age would likely mean she has L3s.

[Ykulnu]

Samara
Jack
Javik
Liara
Kaidan/Miranda
Wrex
Jacob/Thane

[shepard1038]

The students of Grissom academy use an L3x1 implant. Only biotic Shepard has L5 implants.

[SNascimento]

 I'll try to make a rank.

i) Samara - She is an Asari justicar with hundreds of years of training and experience. She showed multiple times how powerful her biotics are and how she can control them with ease.

ii) Jack - Her power level might be similar or even higher than Samara, but she is not as trained as the Justicar.

iii) Javik - The prothean just feel powerful to me. He was a top prothean soldier and probably is able to use biotics to deadly efficiency. 

iv) Liara - As an Asari Liara seens to have access to powerful biotics, even though she lacks training and experience. Although she magically improved that between ME1 and ME2.

v) Miranda - The Cerberus Operative is just engineered to be great. Just like Javik, her biotic "imput" comes not only from raw power but how she can use them.

vi) Wrex - Legendary Krogan Warlord with centuries of experience.

vii) Kaidan - He is a great soldier, but just like some ME1 squadmates, he just don't feel top tier. He kind becomes one across the three games, as oppose to others like Wrex and Miranda who feel powerful from the beginning.

viii) Thane - He's cool

ix) Jacob - It's Jacob.

Modifié par SNascimento, 12 mars 2013 - 07:05 .

[SNascimento]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

As far as human goes, Miranda is second only to Jack and probably Shepard.

Gillian? Also the Biotic students at Grissom that are outfitted with L5 implants would be able to use more biotic power then those with older implants. L2 implants spike higher than most L3s as well and given Miranda's age would likely mean she has L3s.

If I had to guess, I'd say Miranda has some custom implant made just for her. It makes sense with her story. My knowledge about biotic lore faded with time though. I don't even remember if implants can be changed, although the fact you can upgrade Jack's in ME2 makes me say yes.

[Tom Lehrer]

SNascimento wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

As far as human goes, Miranda is second only to Jack and probably Shepard.

Gillian? Also the Biotic students at Grissom that are outfitted with L5 implants would be able to use more biotic power then those with older implants. L2 implants spike higher than most L3s as well and given Miranda's age would likely mean she has L3s.

If I had to guess, I'd say Miranda has some custom implant made just for her. It makes sense with her story. My knowledge about biotic lore faded with time though. I don't even remember if implants can be changed, although the fact you can upgrade Jack's in ME2 makes me say yes.

It would make sense for Miranda to have custom implants but given her age and the amp tech at the time the implants would likely have been something of a middle ground between the L2 and L3s. Little stronger then L3s but without the risk of the L2.

Changing out is also not a simple matter. Kaidan in ME1 says he does not upgrade to the L3s in part because one small mistake and he would not be able to remember his own name... 

[SNascimento]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

It would make sense for Miranda to have custom implants but given her age and the amp tech at the time the implants would likely have been something of a middle ground between the L2 and L3s. Little stronger then L3s but without the risk of the L2.

Changing out is also not a simple matter. Kaidan in ME1 says he does not upgrade to the L3s in part because one small mistake and he would not be able to remember his own name... 

Miranda is Cerberus. Risk are no problems with them. If it's not state what implants she has, it can be anything.

But the thing I want to say is that rankings like this are more about feelings and impressions than anything. The game offers very little that can be used to try to make a concrete list. We can know for a fact that Samara and Jack are more powerful than the rest of ME2 biotics. But then you try to compare the others and all you will have "I guess this ____ would make ______ more powerful than ______ because of reasons". 

They are very subjective.

[PainCakesx]

Of all the biotic squadmates:

1) Samara / Morinth
2) Liara / Jack / Adept Shepard  

---I think all 3 are roughly equal in their combat potential (not just raw biotic power). Jack has more raw power than Shepard, but Shepard has much more training and discipline in his abilities. That counts for a lot. Liara has her innate Asari advantage as well as some training, though her training is not likely as intense or extensive as Shepard's---

3) Javik
4) Vanguard Shepard
5) Wrex
6) Kaidan
7) Miranda
8) Thane
9) Jacob

[shepard1038]

Shepard's biotics are stronger than people think. Shepard in ME1 had L3 implants and they are supposed to have a less upper limit than L2 implants and Kaidan biotics are stronger than most humans and he's L2 implant spike higher than most people that have L3 implants except Shepard.

So Shepard's biotics are so strong that it surpasses the L3 implant upper limit. In ME2 Shepard gets a new implant that was made just for Shepard and is probably stronger and has a higher upper limit. For example the Acension program has a L4 implant that has 10% to 15% more power than a L3 implant so i can see Cerberus making the L5 implant more powerful than the Ascension program L4 implant.

[Imperator_Prime]

Kaidan should be higher up on the list just judging by everyone's reaction at the party in Citadel, when he mentions that he was able to learn the Reave ability and Liara seems... what-- shocked? horrified?... that if figured out an ability that we've previously only seen on a ~1000 year old Justicar.

But admittedly, I'm not an objective judge because I Kaidan so much my real hubby be jelly. :-P

[PainCakesx]

Imperator_Prime wrote...

Kaidan should be higher up on the list just judging by everyone's reaction at the party in Citadel, when he mentions that he was able to learn the Reave ability and Liara seems... what-- shocked? horrified?... that if figured out an ability that we've previously only seen on a ~1000 year old Justicar.

But admittedly, I'm not an objective judge because I Kaidan so much my real hubby be jelly. :-P

I tried to give Kaidan credit in my list. I suppose he may be stronger than Wrex - it was a toss-up there for me. I agree that people underestimate him.

[Shad Croly]

For Biotics, I kinda think of it like "who could hold the barrier up during the Suicide Mission" and go down from there, so...

1) Samara/Jack/Javik (roughly equal, Samara due to her experience, Jack from the experiments, and Javik from being a Prothean)
2) Liara (Very strong, but lacking the experience of Samara or the augmentation of Jack or Javik, but still strong enough to hold the barrier)
3) Kaiden and Miranda (both Sentinels, so strong biotics, but not a specialty like the others and not strong enough to hold the barrier, same with everyone below them)
4) Wrex (mostly a phyiscal fighter, doesn't use biotics much, but they're there and are strong, but not as strong as a dedicated caster)
5) Thane (placing him above Jacob pretty much because Drell in the MP make pretty good biotic classes)
6) Jacob

For Tech, I look at like a combination of "Vent Specialist" and their actual training:

1) Legion (having so many Geth runtimes puts her just ahead of EDI)
2) EDI
3) Tali (brilliant technical expert, even by Quarian standards, but is organic and can't work as fast as EDI or Legion)
4) Kasumi (only really uses tech for infiltration)
5) Mordin (a better doctor than an engineer)

Of course, Commander Shepard trumps all of them.

Modifié par Shad Croly, 12 mars 2013 - 08:27 .

[Ykulnu]

I think people seem to forget that while Kaidan may be less "colorful" as other characters, the man was able to to become a Spectre. With all the Spectres on the Citadel during the coup, he was the one chosen to defend the Council despite the fact that he'd just gotten out of the hospital. He was also the liaison to the Terminus Systems colonies during the Collector attacks, which was the biggest threat to the Alliance at the time. He knows how to Reave, which is, if we take ME2 gameplay in account, a big deal - Samara learns it after her loyalty missions. You don't learn your squadmates' scrub powers for a reason. Liara was impressed by his ability to learn that.

Kaidan is deadly as **** but doesn't let his power or fighting spirit overtake who he is as a character. We see him as a normal guy, which is a testament to good writing.

Modifié par Ykulnu, 12 mars 2013 - 08:29 .

[AkodoRyu]

Edit: ^This

Also

Sideria wrote...

Well it's not precised anywhere, but I think Kaidan must have upgraded his implant to L5.

He hasn't. Such treatment would kill him. L2s are unstable, Kaidan is lucky to be alive, but he dealt with the worst threat and he's still learning. Now he can reave, something only Samara could do (gameplay wise).

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 12 mars 2013 - 08:40 .

[HolyAvenger]

ShepardSue.

[MewtwoJosh]

I think Aria should be mentioned here. She is a squadmate too even if only for a DLC. In fact, I'd put her first.

1.Aria
2.Samara
3.Jack
4.Liara
5.Javik
6.Kaidan
7.Miranda
8.Wrex
9.Thane
10.Jacob

I don't include Shepard as (s)he is the PC and not a squadmate. On a list of all biotics, I'd have Benezia first with Gillian Grayson somewhere near the top.

This is lore btw.

Modifié par MewtwoJosh, 12 mars 2013 - 11:01 .

[o Ventus]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

As far as human goes, Miranda is second only to Jack and probably Shepard.

Gillian? Also the Biotic students at Grissom that are outfitted with L5 implants would be able to use more biotic power then those with older implants. L2 implants spike higher than most L3s as well and given Miranda's age would likely mean she has L3s.

The Ascension Project kids have L3's and L4's.

[o Ventus]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

 The emphasis being the alliance part. He may be the best the Alliance has to offer but better than a genetically engineered human (Im sceptical).

Considering Miranda was "grown" at a time biotics were still largely a mystery her powers may not be all that great. At least compared to the others in this listing.

"My Biotics are also very advanced, for a human."

Kaidan can Reave, which normally only matriarchs and Justicars can do. Miranda can also Reave.

[Wulfram]

Lore/Story based primarily, rather than gameplay based

Samara, Jack, Morinth
Shepard, Liara
Kaidan, Miranda
Everyone else is difficult to sensibly distinguish.

[samvim]

 1) Samara - 1000 old year justicar
 2) Morinth - nearly as powerful as her mother
 3) Jack - the most powerful human biotic
 4) Liara and Aria - asari are said to have enormous potential and it is ackowledged by other member of the party
 5) Wrex - he is one of last krogan battlemaster 
 6) Kaidan - the best Alliance biotic
 7) Javik - Is he really something special?
 8) Miranda -  she was created in 2150. According to timeline humanity discovered biotic in 2158. What is more after ME2 is quite obvious that genetic, that whoever created her screw the job
 9) Thane
 long, long, long nothing
 10) Jacob